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Tretton: Selling PS3s is like 'being out in a storm' photo

Sony's Jack Tretton has been talking about just how tough it is to sell an expensive piece of equipment at a time where many people have lost their jobs and are too scared to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a game device. Likening the experience to weathering a storm, Tretton's crossing his fingers and hoping 2008 isn't as bad as 2009.

"It's like being out there in a storm - it does cause you to question your conviction, and tie yourself to the mast and weather the storm," he states. "We have hit a very challenging period of trying to sell future technology, a high-end device, but is on the high-end retail pricing spectrum, at a time when people's disposable income is limited. But I think the fact we were successful in that says people are getting the message, that you get tremendous value when you buy a PlayStation product.

"Yes there are cheaper machines out there, but not ones that deliver the degree of value for the money that ours does."

Value is a subjective thing, of course, and it's quite obvious that gamers are perceiving superior value elsewhere. I'm going to have limited sympathy for a company that ripped out PS2 backwards compatibility, especially since being able to play old PSOne games is where my PS3's current value comes from. Still, I guess if there's one thing you have to admire Sony for, it's the conviction to do whatever it wants, even in the face of a world telling it that it's wrong. 

Oh, and the PS3 isn't "future technology," because it already exists, you pretentious little man.


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ZombiePlatypus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:23
ZombiePlatypus
"Oh, and the PS3 isn't "future technology," because it already exists, you pretentious little man."

I love it.
Doomsday Forte's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:26
Doomsday Forte
You know, I just realized something. Where are the attack ads? I mean, I understand those deathly loyal to their brands do all of the fighting, but why am I not seeing ads from Sony depicting the 360 as a useless ticking time bomb? And Microsoft attacking the PS3 as overpriced junk with games you can play on their system?

Why are we all playing nice?
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:27
Aurain
" Tretton's crossing his fingers and hoping 2008 isn't as bad as 2009."

I don't get it. Is it because Tretton's a time traveller, brought back "FUTURE TECHNOLOGY" for PS3's, Lived through 2009, never used the internet once so never realised how it turned out for PS brand in 2008, realised 2009 sucked and went back to 2008 to see if it would be better?

If so, I think Tretton might be pleasantly surprised with 2008...
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:28
Tubatic
What Doomsday Forte said. Sling mud, jerks.
Gibbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:30
Gibbo
When did we go back in time a year? As for Tretton, maybe I'd get that tremendous value if I could actually afford the damn thing.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:32
Daxelman
Future Technology?

The PS3 was obsolete shit when it came out. Thanks alot, technology curve.
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:35
Doos
Yeah, whatever happened to the good ol' console wars commercials?

Like back in the Sega Vs Nintendodays! Woo! Blast Processing!!
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:37
Chronic Logic
"Hoping that 2008 isn't as bad as 2009" Wtf?

Also, inb4 fanbois.
donkeykong's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:39
donkeykong
I bought a PS3 recently, is that good for the economy?
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:39
Holyetheline
Yeah... They really should have held on to the backwards compatibility... it would be helpful for first time Playstation purchases.
Fantus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:40
Fantus
Wow. Maybe this will make me sound like a fanboy, but oh well.

Am I really the only one that DOES see the value? It's not hard to compare the specs of the PS3 (especially when it first came out) to the specs of the competition. And see that for the money you are getting more than if you were to spend that much money on accessories for the other consoles.

If you don't want all that stuff, then don't buy the PS3. If you DO want all that stuff, you gotta pay for it either way. The question is, do you wanna pay for it in pieces? Or all at once at a slightly lower price?

C'mon people. I'm sick of hearing about how the PS3 is "too expensive" because YOU can't afford it. I don't understand how the price of the PS3 is hurting the games industry. Get over it.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:42
Havoc Fang
One day, I predict in the next generation or the one after that, the big three will look at the past consoles and LEARN.

Has the most expensive of a generation ever sold the most significant numbers?
Samsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:43
Samsa
Wouldn't "future tech" have more RAM?
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:43
Char Aznable
"Sega does what Nintendon't" will never be topped, gentlemen. The current-gen attack ads have been held back because nobody would dare to compete with such a sublime pun.

Also, it just dawned on me that Jack Tretton kinda looks like John Bobbitt. You know, the loser that had his dick cut off in the 90s.
benus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:49
benus
i love sony ! my ps3 just fell down from 1 meter on the floor and it's still working fine

i'm so happy i won't have to kill my dog who make it fell in the first place...

if my ps3 died it would have take me month to buy a new one.
Mornelithe's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:51
Mornelithe
LoL, if you whiney bitches can't afford $400, you shouldn't even be worrying about a PS3. $400? I'll be able to buy 4 PS3's tomorrow. Hahaha. See, having a job, working daily, and saving for the things you desire, really is a wonderful skill. It really is. Giving everyone (who has a brain in their heads) the ability to buy, virtually anything they want, over a period of time. In fact...had you all spent the last 30 months drying your tears, and setting aside $15...you'd have a PS3 right now. Fancy that.

Instead, I get to sit here, and enjoy my superiority complex, because, I have a 60g BC model. Hey Jim, you know, in the amount of time it took you to write this article, you could've mowed someone's lawn, and set aside that revenue for a PS3. Instead, you'd rather bitch about it on a website. LoL.
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:52
Discarded Couch Sandwich
I imagine my future technology to be a slick piece of equipment with multicoloured hologram touchpads and an interface that takes effect as quick as I can interact. Not something which can barely run a web browser without crashing and has to load for about a half-hour if I want to install a game/look at trophies.

Still, trivial complaints. I <3 my PS3!
GreenKnight's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:58
GreenKnight
Wouldn't future tech have a better GPU then the 360?
SpiralGray's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:58
SpiralGray
"...hoping 2008 isn't as bad as 2009."

Huh? Is he going to go back in time to sell his device?

Before you get on your high horse about Tretton, perhaps you should copy edit your own material.
zandy1123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 11:59
zandy1123
you need to switch 2008 with 2009...unless Trenton spoke wrong like that
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:05
ouched
@Doomsday Forte

Because as in all industries, times change and things happen. Your competition today might be your partner 6 months from now or your boss in 3 years. While you are always looking to get the upper hand, one must not be an idiot or prick about it, as things can always change.
TripleZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:07
TripleZer0
I feel like Sony is looking at the economy and the call for price cuts and just sticking its fingers in its ears saying in a really loud voice, "La la la I can't hear you now!"

I feel lucky that the PS3 I got has PS2 backwards compatibility, but it doesn't work will every game. For some reason I couldn't play Shadow Hearts Covenant.
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:09
Tron
"Tretton's crossing his fingers and hoping 2008 isn't as bad as 2009."

shouldn't it be "and hoping 2009 isn't as bad as 2008"
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:12
Daxelman
@Mornelithe: 30 Months waiting for a PS3?

30 months? That's 2 and a half years for games I could be playing in half that time, if I went and got a 360.

30 Months for cross game text chat being the next big thing?

30 Months for a machine that does some basic functions at a ridiculously slow rate, for what's touted as "Future Technology"?

You do know Jim has a PS3, right?

30 Months?
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:14
BattyAdroit
I'm so tired of hearing how expensive the ps3 is. Seriously. Get a new hobby.
wastedyears's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:16
wastedyears
People can bitch and moan about the price or no ps2 bc or perceived lack of value, but I use my ps3 way more often than I use my 360. And in my opinion, the PS3 has better exclusive games than the 360 does. And a better controler, a better UI, and I'm not bombarded with ads every time I turn the machine on. Add free online multiplayer, and a Bluray player and it seems like a damn good value for the money to me.
Then again, if I didn't have one or couldn't get one, then maybe I'd bitch about the price like everyone else.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:17
Jim Sterling
"I'm so tired of hearing how expensive the ps3 is. Seriously. Get a new hobby."

To be fair, Tretton started it this time.
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:18
BattyAdroit
Well, I meant the comments section really, Jim. I should've been clearer. But yes, you're absolutely right.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:18
Tubatic
@ouched

Even with general corporate respect being all the rage, even the most factual of ads could do wonders for Sony.

Imagine the Arakune Bee Combo that wold result from Sony putting out an ad, simply stating "Why ARE you paying for Xbox Live anyway?" and showing a two column graph with a smaller PS3 column.

Tv watching consumers would raiee an eyebrow
Bloggers would blog.
Micheal Pachter would form and opinion
Bloggers would blog.
Forumites would rage
Bloggers would blog.
Microsoft would form a low profile response
And Bloggers would blog.

You could make that ad for, like, $100 and send a ridiculous ripple through at least the core gamer collective.

Of course, what do I know about advertising, though.

Just seems like competitive advertising just doesn't exist anymore, even though people really eat that up.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:20
Jim Sterling
" Hey Jim, you know, in the amount of time it took you to write this article, you could've mowed someone's lawn, and set aside that revenue for a PS3. Instead, you'd rather bitch about it on a website"

Actually, I used the money earned from writing articles like this to buy my PS3 last year.

LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ.
Mornelithe's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:21
Mornelithe
@ Daxelman - Except for Sony exclusives. Only idiots buy consoles for 3rd party support.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:22
Ganjookie
$399 is a good price for the PS3. It doesn't need to drop. If you cant afford it mow some lawns or get a 2nd part time job for a week. /shrug
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:27
Daxelman
@Mornelithe: That's why I bought my 360. It was cheaper than the PS3, but still played Call Of Duty. As a bonus, Psychonauts worked on the thing. I didn't even invest in Xbox Live until GriffBall became a big thing.

If was so fucking worth it to.

I forgot to add, 30 months for a console that can't do HD out of the box. That pissed me off so much.
GunSlap's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:28
GunSlap
No, I think Tretton is referring to 2008/09 B.C.
At that time there were some terrible wars between the Sumarian people of Ur and Amorite.
No one tell Tretton, but I don't think that conflict ends until 2004!
Jack of Arcades's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:28
Jack of Arcades
PS3 isn't exactly expensive. When it first came out, sure, but an 80gb PS3 is $400 and it's got free online. Right now, either one of the best buy bundles (LBP + Wall-E or KZ2 + MGS4) are better deals than the 360 Elite.

If I was a new gamer I'd get a 360. The better firmware plus a bigger community would sway me. But I have a PS3 and I'm very happy with it.

The problem for the PS3 is that if they want sales they're going to have to be a second system for a lot of gamers. The $400 price tag on it's own isn't much, but it is daunting if someone already has a 360. That's really the reason the PS3 has to lower prices for higher sales. As a standalone system, though, it's a pretty good value.
IronPikeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:28
IronPikeman
@Jim: "you pretentious little man."

Ironic, coming from you... (Definitely not the "little man" part)

LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:32
Jim Sterling
IronPikeman:

I did not realize we had the king of originality in the house. My liege, it's an honor to be in your presence. Now just as soon as you learn what the word "pretentious" means, all will be right in the Kingdom!
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:33
Daxelman
@Jack Of Arcades: Didn't MS bundle the Elite with Halo 3 and Fable 2 foo 400 bucks?
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 12:33
GoldenGamerXero
It seems quite a few of you are forgeting the issue here. The question isn't Why are't we saving up and doing side jobs and crap for a PS3 but why the hell should we when the time you do all that is time you should spend playing the damn games! Why should you have to do all those jobs just to play the actual games! Looks like Sony took the No More Heroes business classes...
Jack of Arcades's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:02
Jack of Arcades
@Daxelman - yep. But the KZ2 + MGS4 value is still better :)
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:02
mix
Yesterdays tecnology TODAY!!!!!!!!!!
AutomaticZen's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:04
AutomaticZen
I own all three systems. Actually six is you count DS, PSP, and PC.

People don't seem to understand how pricing works. To the average lay person, regardless of salary, most of the bells and whistles don't freaking matter. What matters is out of three systems that play games, one looks more expensive than the others. Period. End of story. The average person doesn't care about wireless for the most part. The average person doesn't see the value in paying twice as much for the same movie they already own on Blu-Ray. They don't care.

You can whine and ketch however long you want, but value adds don't matter if they come in at a prohibitively higher price. 3D0 was a beautiful piece of technology at the time, but who the fuck cared? MS and Nintendo can nickle and dime because they understand this. Sony could, but they seem dead set on pricing themselves into third place. Why isn't there a stripped down 20 GB unit? Get your foot in the door. Third parties won't care about the PS3 if the user base is lower than that of other systems.

I enjoy my PS3 quite a deal, but stop being functionally retarded in understanding why people are waiting for the price drop. I sell servers for a living and I played the game like Sony did, I'd be out contracts. PSN being free is a step in the right direction, but they can do better. I know they can. They just need to step out of their castle and play the game like an underdog should.
erasekid's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:08
erasekid
I'm always for a price cut on any hardware but the price of the PS3 is actually very competitive. I just picked up a 360 and while I appreciate the significantly better interface, I find the lack of built-in WiFi and proprietary HD to be totally lame. In other words, to get my 360 to be comparable to my PS3 I need to buy a wifi adapter ($75.00 cheapest I've found) and my console was $300.00. Where is the huge savings that 360 offers? My PS3 has the same features and Blu-Ray for 400.00. That's a $25.00 difference between the 2 systems. In addition, the online is free and the hard drive is upgradeable (with non proprietary parts). Plus, if I had bought today, there are all of these great offers like the MGS4 + Killzone 2 Bundle from Best Buy. To reiterate, I understand everyone's desire to have the things they want for cheaper but, Sony's not ripping anyone off with the PS3. Can't say the same for the PSP Go but the PS3's in line with the competition from where I stand.
Arch649's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:28
Arch649
PS3s are for technophiles. Sony needs to realize this and market it to this demographic. At $400-$500, the PS3 is a steal from a technological standpoint. The cell pocessors, Blu-ray, SATA HDD, Wi-fi. You can practically replace a PC with this, just install Linux and you're good to go.

As a game console however, it's not very good. Xboxs are cheaper, have many of the same games (plus DLC depending on which game), and some games run/look better on the 360. Sony needs to stop pushing the game console side so much (clunky XMB, trophies) and start showing off what this beast can actually do multimedia-wise.
AutomaticZen's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:31
AutomaticZen
@erasekid

Of course you get alot for your money, but again:

Average person sees Call of Duty on 360 and PS3. They look the same. They look at the price tag. One's $100 less. Sold. That's it. All the extra features in the world don't matter if to the consumer it has nothing to do with *playing games*. And they don't. And MS wins, because anything else is *after the fact*. Xbox Live costs $50? You already have the system, so it's easier to get you to take the plunge.

Btw, I bought mine on eBay for $250 in great condition. Good for me, but Sony never got a red cent of it, which is bad for them.
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:43
Br0th3rGr1mm
I'd just like to add that Sony lost a sale here when they removed PS2 compatilbity from the PS3. I've never considered the PS3 as a viable next system for me since they did that. That's why I've now got a X360 and my PS2 (an ORIGINAL purchased one) is still cranking in my sons room.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:50
Black Nexus
@automatic zen
And that's why the average consumer can go die in a fire(ok that's a little strong but you get the point).

Why does our market or anything have to compensate for the thick crowd,the general rule of thumb is if you exceed 50$ you should know what your buying and why and what it does, it baffles me that people still think like that.

If I'm spending over a 20 I want to know who made it,why,what's its weighs, why it exists. You don't need to go as indepth as me, but you should have done some kind of research( and you'd think a recession of all things would have taught people that just impulse buying is a stupid way of going about spending your money).

If you didn't think a ps3 was worth it because the extra value didn't Seem worth it I can understand that, if you chose a 360 over ps3 becaquse it suited your taste better I can understand that, however if you chose
The 360 because it was 200 bucks and didn't bother to look at the facts or what it does or do any kind of research what so ever, go strand yourself on an island infested with land sharks.

This is a recession, there should be a single average consumer on earth and it pains me that there is.
Kaden101's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 13:51
Kaden101
AutomaticZen,

I get what you mean about people seeing the initial cost when they walk into the shop & choosing the cheapest option. On the other hand the PS3 has been selling at pretty much the same pace as the 360 so it isn't failing in any way.

The problem is that it's not selling in America, & it's the American websites that are constantly bitching about the price. Because there's so many of these internet news articles being banded around it's perceived as "world news" when it's really not. The rest of the civilised world (yes it does exist outside of the US) is buying the PS3 & in some places faster than the 360.

Maybe Americans are just tight with their money. Maybe Americans only understand inital price, & not value for money. Maybe I'm just speculating - it's just a thought.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 14:09
Daxelman
@Jack Of Arcades: MGS4 is shit, and I never got teleporting bullets in Halo 3's online play.

Not to mention it's brighter.
ColonelSeitan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 14:19
ColonelSeitan
"especially since being able to play old PSOne games is where my PS3's current value comes from."

Are you effing kidding?? PSOne games are the only value?! You must be incredibly proud of yourself to post such inflammatory crap on your blog.

Killzone 2
LittleBigPlanet
Ratchet and Clank
Pixeljunk Monsters, Eden
Resistance
Buzz
Disgaea
Flower
Uncharted
MGS
Infamous
Valkyria Chronicles, etc. not to mention all the new ones coming out
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