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Traveler's Tales: PSPgo will die if games aren't cheaper photo

The PSPgo was a good idea wrapped in stupid ones. An all-digital handheld gaming platform geared specifically toward gamers should have been a good deal, but the usual Sony bullsh*t ruined the whole premise. The most ludicrous aspect of the PSPgo is how digital games cost as much as their retail counterparts, and developer Travelers Tales believes this issue could kill Sony's latest handheld.

“I own a PSPgo but don’t want to buy LittleBigPlanet, for instance, as I can get it 20% cheaper on UMD from Amazon and could resell it once I’m finished with it," says studio founder Jon Burton. "But if I download it, I get no discount, and no chance to resell -- how annoying is that? I’m betting on Sony making PSPgo games much cheaper than the UMD versions, or the PSPgo will die."

Burton's right -- what makes downloadable PSP games worth the money? You can get Persona PSP on Amazon for cheaper than the PSN version -- and that's for the special edition, that comes with stuff the digital version simply cannot offer. The PSPgo seems to have been a big waste of time for everyone, and I don't even think Sony cares if it lives or dies.








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Jared Ari's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 18:48
Jared Ari
Not to mention the price of the system itself is ludicrous. I would get more functionality from a PSP3000 without having to sell my balls on the black market.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 18:56
Xzyliac
Nazism fails again.

I still don't get why PSPgo titles aren't cheaper. At least for the first few months. You can turn on everybody and go around Sonying all your good ideas afterwards. At least pretend you're trying.
hermes's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 18:57
hermes
I think the main problem of the PSPGo is that they introduce it in the middle of a generation, with lack of features that are basically destroying the road traveled during these years.

But it actually doesn't matter to Sony. They are not releasing the PSPGo to compete with the DSi or the PSP300. They are releasing it to compete with the iTouch... Then, of course, its way out of its league on everything but games' quality.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:00
BlackSunEmpire
So Sony had a good idea, but implemented it in a way that will cost them dearly until they realise they fucked up?? A difficult thing for them to come to grips with it seems.

Is it just me, or is this the Sony story this generation??
Ben Scott's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:00
Ben Scott
Oh. I havn't been following the PSPGo but i just assumed digital = cheaper. How could they possibly justify selling it for the same price?
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:01
ace of knaves
Yeah...I'd be really surprised if this winds up not failing spectacularly.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:04
timtheterrible
Ever since the introduction of the PSP, Sony have been the makers of some terrible business decisions. I hope they get a chance to redeem themselves like Nintendo did.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:05
Xzyliac
@BlackSunEmpire
That's kind of been everybodies story. MS fucked up 360 manufacuring and just now admitted it and is trying to decrease the number of problems.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:06
Electrium
Was there ever any doubt that this would happen?
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:13
HEL105
Anyone want to attempt to defend the GO in an intelligent manner? For anyone who owns one, does the price of the games and the system really not bother you? I've had a PSP since launch, and I just upgraded to a lovely Dissidia-bundle 3000, what possible advantages does the GO offer over a deal like that, besides the slightly smaller size? Someone has to be buying these things for SOME reason.
Lakai's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:14
Lakai
Yeah, I totally saw this one coming. It's just too expensive.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:17
hpv
Xzyliac: They're not cheaper because Sony isn't in a position to piss off their retail "partners" by having them stock the hardware and then lose out on the software sales. Which would not only affect retailers stocking the PSP hardware and software but potentially the PS3. What's so hard to understand about that?

If I were running Sony I would have offered the PSPgo hardware to retailers as dirt cheap as possible while keeping the MSRP around the $250 mark, allowing them to make a pretty penny off those sales and negating a lot of the loss they would see in software sales. I'd also have pushed the pre-paid game vouchers and PSN cards hard at retail to keep them interested, but the margins there are pretty slim by all accounts so I'm not sure how much that would actually do.

Now whether the Sony brass has foregone that route because they're stupid, overly risk adverse, or because they ran the numbers and they didn't look good, none of us can know.

Likely the PSPgo will be that device, as there usually is with a new technology paradigm, that did all the right things but only through its failure establishes the market in which future devices will succeed. If Sony have any clue they're already well underway developing that device and its marketing campaign before someone beats them to it, but they'll probably bungle that one, too.
watermanx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:19
watermanx
Portable gaming went down hill after the gameboy advance
I miss good old metroid and pokemon when it was simpler
bigRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:22
bigRed
@watermanx..... I'm resisting the DSi based soley on the fact that it won't take my GBA cartridges
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:24
StingingVelvet
Digital distribution being the same price as retail is something I live with on Steam. Retailer agreements prevent them from launching at a lower price point sadly, and while I could see retail becoming so pointless for PC games soon enough that it is no longer an issue, console gaming and by extension PSP gaming will probably need retail longer.

The key for me is that Steam offers benefits boxed games do not, from Steam achievements to an account-based ownership which allows me to take my games to any PC. These kinds of benefits make the equal price despite lack of packaging easier to swallow.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:43
Xzyliac
@hpv
To be 100% honest with you I didn't know that. Unless I've been missing something I've been asking that question since the Go launched and never got a straighforward answer. So thanks...I guess...unless that last line was sarcasm.

Maybe I'm retarded but everytime I asked why the Go software was the price it was I got fanboy bitching and sarcastic answers.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:46
Xzyliac
Clarification: By didn't know I mean didn't think about it. I assumed which I know is dangerous.
fortelv999's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:50
fortelv999
@HEL105: mmm i'll give it a shot:

i bought a GO at launch, mostly because of the size and bluetooth (not to mention 16gb internal storage), i have bluetooth headphones, couldnt resist it, i had a phat (that was too big for carrying it around, but the go is slightly bigger than my cellphone) and really like the idea of hooking my psp to the tv since i re-encode movies or download pre-encoded videos...

besides in my country a 3000 was 280USD and a GO 380 USD, but i have a credit card so in 20 months the difference didnt bother me...

so... about the games? here a new psp game (UMD) costs around 60 - 80 USD, using entropay i can get the same game for 30 - 40 USD, needless to say, almost nobody buys UMD, the retailers sell the PSPs with CFW preloaded... but for me it's a saving, i can support the developers without these idiots profiting unfairly, and... i'm really surprised no one mentions it, but i'm pretty sure i can install... say LBP on five PSPs... FF7 on five PSPs and five PS3s... surely someone can make a saving... all my friends have modded PSPs but if you have some friends legal... do the math

but i wanted to get into "legal" gaming, be able to buy PSOne classics (suikoden, ff7 and mgs were the first things installed on my go).
whatthi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 19:59
whatthi
PSP Go's sale would rise once its been hacked, and theres truth to that, original PSP sales rocket with the help of piracy, those who doesnt agree if piracy helps is either in denial or in lala land...

im not saying piracy is good, im saying it does bring in substantial numbers in the sale of consoles/handhelds..

heck PS3 is doing well for a system that is NOT EVEN HACKED YET...
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 20:09
CelicaCrazed
Yeah PSP games are still a little overpriced on PSN for my tastes but I really, really want to get a Go. At least PSOne games aren't too expensive.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 20:13
The Silent Protagonist
I'm actually all for digital copies, the problem with physical copies for me is actually the ability to resell them. Its a personal downward spiral, because you later regret parting with some games and just go buy them again, used or new. To get it under control, I've reduced purchases on physical media where I can.

The problem is that every Thursday I log on to the Playstation Store to see what potential treasures await and more often than not, they're just not there. Sony is not making the moves they need to be making to really push the potential of digital distribution.

Jack Tretton said its not SCEA's fault games aren't popping up on PSN like they should. Wwll, Jack, get your thumb out of your ass and start talking to the people we want to see put up the games.

Because if they plan to digitally distribute PS2 games next - rather than give the backward compatibility that's been frequently demanded by consumers - its going to be the same shit we're seeing with PSOne and PSP games right now.

The price points bother me a little, but that's secondary to a lack of content. As the old lady said back in the 80's "Where's the beef?"
killatia's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 20:35
killatia
Seeing the PSPgo failing would be no great surprise to anyone really.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 20:51
readbigwordsisgood
it should have been aborted. i can only hope we will hear it's death rattle soon.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 20:56
HEL105
@fortelv999
Thanks, that was exactly the kind of response I was looking for.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:09
Monte
"how can sony justify selling Digital downloads at the same price?"

Simple, cause that's what everyone else does with Digital downloads for PC. I mean put aside when a game is on sale, a steam sells their games for the same exact price as they are for retail... but no one really complains about not having a physical copy, not being able to sell it, or poiting out that they can buy it cheaper on amazon. And steam is largely successful. Why should sony think that what works so very well for PC's, would fail with the PSP?
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:31
xaliqen
They should make digital titles resalable via encrypted key exchange through a paypal supported market on PSN. This would be the most straightforward solution to the whole issue. Allow the end-users to transfer the license and it will make everyone happy. Of course, there are concerns about piracy that may arise in such a scenario, but nothing that is not already happening with physical media. In short, Sony needs to pay attention to the needs of their customer-base or risk losing it altogether.
wutang4ever's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:35
wutang4ever
I'll tell you how sony can justify the digital download price, by putting the game in 5 different psps. I no longer have to buy multiple copies of a game to play with my young brother. I can just buy it digitally and I got 2 copies for the price of one
ChristRogue's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:36
ChristRogue
Wait. People were expecting companies to charge LESS for download only games? Because there would be no packaging. heh...heheheh...MUAHAHAHAAHAH..... hHAHAHAHAAHAHAH (breath - breath)... HAHAHAHAHA. OH GOD THATS RICH! Oh wait...did you think that they would pass the money they save onto YOU? Instead of their profits? HAHAHAHAHA Ooohhhh,....oh.boy my sides. HAHAHAHA. ok..ok...whew.

Aren't you all cute.
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:46
xaliqen
@ ChristRogue -- I'm sure Sony will chuckle along with you... until they find that no one is buying the PSPGo. Then again, maybe they don't care since they still have the regular PSP to pick up the slack.
HOLY TACO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 21:48
HOLY TACO
I disagree that it's a fail because it's too expensive. But the PSPgo definitely rides on gamers forgoing their consumer common sense, it's about ease of use (yeah I know you found it a nightmare but I'm overlooking your experience) and portability. PSPgo consumers, I imagine, don't tend to factor finances into the equation as much as other consumers.

Unless you're living under a rock Jim their are a plethora of successful devices like this out there, in fact I'd say it's a big part of the electronics industry. It's like sex appeal, common sense need not apply.

However I would never buy a PSPgo based on that I can't get all the games I want on it. Over here in New Zealand where yes the PSPgo is sold at most electronics stores Sony have done a pretty bad job of getting the library of PSP games available on PSN. So yeah, I think it's a fail, but for other reasons than finance. In fact if the entire back catalogue of PSP games was now on PSN I would have bought one by now. This is obviously far too much to ask though. Too me it seems like common sense, but as I stated before common sense isn't something that applies to the PSPgo.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 22:06
loki d20
Gotta agree. I can get most of the titles on sale for at least $10 off the digital price, if not half the price when I buy UMD. I just got Persona for $15 at Amazon.com and ended up paying only $10 because two weeks before that I got a $10 credit on my next game when I bought my PSP Assassin's Creed Bloodlines bundle.

My main problem with the digital distribution, though, is space. Sony's Micro cards are way overpriced and I had enough stuff to fill up a 16 GB PSPGo before I even owned one, let alone the size of your standard movie (2 gigs; see funny/sad aside below on movie file sizes). Along with the fact that if you own a PSPGo and PSP, you have to buy accessories specific to the PSPGo rather than being able to just go with your PSP accessories.

*funny/sad movie file size story: PSP AC Bloodlines bundle came with Angels & Demons movie download and a 2GB Micro card. Size of the movie was greater than 2GB, though, so I still can't download and play it on my PSP. Looks good on my TV that's hooked up to one of my PS3s, though.
DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 22:06
DustyBlue
It should be at least half the price of the retail versions, in my opinion.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 23:11
DinnertimeNinja
So how does everyone feel about the fact that you can buy a PSP 3000 AND a separate 16gb Memory Stick Pro Duo for the same price as the PSPGo?

If I shop around I can even fit in an expended capacity battery as well.

So better battery life (out of the box, even MORE with a better battery), the ability to change batteries when it starts to lose charge (inevitable), ability to play UMDs AND 16gb of downloadable games.

A few ounces CANNOT account for the myriad advantages of the 3000 over the Go.
fortelv999's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2009 23:15
fortelv999
a quick question... anyone else remember when they leaked the first pics of the psp go packaging... my memory fails or there was a 32gb version box? i'm guessing that when they release that they will slash the 16gb version price...
Pengbros's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 00:03
Pengbros
Meh, don't really see the PSP Go dying off, I love mine, hated carrying around UMDs since I don't really have any kind of equipped storage other than my pant pockets, I hate walking around with a bag.

I can resell the games I buy, from what I understand, the games allow for three installs after purchase, install your game, sell it to two people at a discount and make a profit, just borrow their Go for a night and install it, been working for me. (well, I'm not charging them, but I basicalt gave MHFU to two friends so we can hunt together)

As for having to pay full price for a game... if I can fit it into my budget, great, if not, I won't complain. Games are just a hobby, I'm not going to whine that my choice of extracurricular activity is too expensive. I used to play WarHammer 40k but then getting the models and paint became too expensive so I stopped. Simple as that.

Maybe the Go will stop being produced because of the whole pricing thing and people not wanting to part with their dollars on something they don't actually need to get, but I doubt it will die off completely because I know I'm not the only person who loves the PSP Go.

Well... I at least hope they won't cancel support for the unit, I like having digital copies of my games.
Roryzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 00:50
Roryzilla
Yeah I'm pretty happy with my PSP Go as well, which is odd considering I despised my PS3. Although I do agree that the games are ridiculously overpriced.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 01:42
Syn
PSPGo? More like "PSP Go-and-FuckOff!"
Jared Ari's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 02:29
Jared Ari
@ Syn:
Hahahahahaha you just reminded me of how awesome The Videogame Show What I've Done is, especially that particular episode.

@ Jim:
Moar TVSWID plz
thatguyukno's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 03:05
thatguyukno
The Nazis at Sony fail again. If your going to sell me a whole new hand held, that has no way of playing the games I already own, and without a way to transfer the games I own. And try to sell me a whole new method of distribution at the same price, and then seem perplexed when I tell you to stick your fag nasty PSP Go up your ass. FUCK YOU SONY.

I mean allow me to register the UMD I own via a serial number, or an application I can use on my existing PSP. And then charge me 2-3 dollars to download a digital version. The implementation wouldn't be mind blowingly difficult to make happen.


Shit Sony is stupid.
wonderbanana's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 05:09
wonderbanana
I've had a Go and it's alovely bit of kit, well made and actually ideal for carrying around in your pocket.

I still traded it in though for a 3000. Games on PSN are expensive but worse still (for me anyway) you can't even access all of the PSP's games library. This is (imo) the Go's biggest failure regardless of who is at fault.

One example - no Ridge Racer 1 or 2 but you can download the demo...
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 07:25
BluDesign
Let me fix the title of this article. PSPgo will die if Lumines isn't made available.
BrunoDeckard's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 07:34
BrunoDeckard
Patapon is better than Lumines.
destructony's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 07:44
destructony
Same thing with Steam on PC.
I am now hooked and would pay more for the convenience of digital distribution.
Now if only Sony could do week-end sales too..
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 07:48
TheTruth
Soon as I saw the headline, before reading article, first thought in my head was "If the industry only innovated or made games at the quality of Travel's Tales, gaming will die."

Still, he's right. Drop the prices and I'd download a lot more games. Drop them by even ten dollars what they have them as, I'd buy.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 08:35
Monte
Ya, i really don't think the price of the games is killing the PSPgo... cause steam does the same thing and i never hear anyone complain about game prices.

No what i think is the main thing that's hurting the PSPgo is the ridiculous price. Seriously, NO ONE wants to pay that much money for a handheld game console; push that shit down to a similar price as the psp3000 and you will see units move... hell, if they made it even a little cheaper then that psp3000, people would forget all their complaints about the price of games.

The second and probably the last thing really holding the PSPgo back i would imagine be memory space... i don't know how big the games are, but god knows that i demand 30gb for my mp3 player because i got too much music to put onto anything smaller... memory might fill up too fast and 1st party memory cards have always been too costly (noticiable when you can find a usb flash drive for the same price but at double the size)......

both of these are things that steam DOESN'T have to deal with... steam is free for download and works on a PC that you most likely already own, and you probably have enough hardrive space to fit in a very good number of games as the standards for hardrives has only increased over the years
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 08:37
Monte
with fairer pricing on the hardware, people would likely forget about the cost of DD games
HammerShark's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/04/2009 20:39
HammerShark
I'm glad I never planned on going near this abomination with a ten foot pole.

*shrugs*
o well. More spare parts for other stuff...
And possibly target practice.

<Takes PSPgo to gun range>
<places it in launcher and yells, "pull!">
<BLASTS that mutha- out of the sky>

I hope SONY felt that (The Force at work).
DiscoJer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/06/2009 03:50
DiscoJer
I wouldn't be too cocky about being able to download games multiple times. It's meant in case your PSP breaks and you have to buy another one.

Maybe I just have bad luck, or maybe I'm a bit klutzy, but I'm on my 3rd psp since 2006. (They're pretty fragile though, only portable I've ever damaged, except for one GBA that my dogs ate)

While you can deactivate a PSP and free up one of your downloads, you can only do it if it's in working order and you can hook it up. If you can't, you're SOL.
wiiboycubed101's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2009 14:56
wiiboycubed101
its already dead wouldn't any sensible person already know that
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2009 19:21
BoomingEchoes
I wonder if the source for the title should really be PSPgo will die if PSPgo's aren't cheaper.
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