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"I still think the Embermage totally looks like Princess Jasmine. With any luck, Runic Games is going to take dungeon crawling to a whole new world."
..... /facepalm
..... /facepalm
Fuck yeah, these guys know how to do shit right! I'll likely just being skipping Diablo and playing this exclusively. It's smart for the publisher to wait, but I wish I didn't have to.
Thank you for finally mentioning Torchlight II. This is one of the few games I'm really looking forward to this year. It's too bad you didn't cover any content related to it...Honestly much more interested Torchlight II than Diablo III.
Won't bother with D3, just getting T2. I have no patience for the always-on drm and real-money AH on the single-player side of a game.
@DasPooch u hitted the nail. D3 looks awesome, but that AH with real € its... omg, and singleplayer lag. Yikes.
Won't be touching D3 until that horrid DRM is cracked out.
Torchlight 2 on the other hand I will be purchasing day one.
Torchlight 2 on the other hand I will be purchasing day one.
@DasPooch
I'll be getting both for sure. Diablo III will have more legs, but Torchlight II will no doubt be a fun experience in it's own right.
I'll be getting both for sure. Diablo III will have more legs, but Torchlight II will no doubt be a fun experience in it's own right.
i didn't know jazmin from aladdin was in her own video game now.
err, beaten. i will play torchlight 2 before diablo 3, probably
err, beaten. i will play torchlight 2 before diablo 3, probably
Kind of looking forward to Torchlight 2. Diablo 3's move that follows SC2 in forcing constant connectivity is unattractive to me, and their moves to monetize the holy hell put the game with the cash auction house, while optional and maybe has some valid arguements, is also concerning.
@Chris Carter - I have no doubt that D3 will be good, and it makes me sad that I have to take a stand on it. I just can't get behind where blizzard is going with their games.
@Arttemis
Runic Games, unlike Blizzard, has no one to tell them no, or where to go, or say they're only dreaming.
Runic Games, unlike Blizzard, has no one to tell them no, or where to go, or say they're only dreaming.
Everytime there is an opportunity to discuss Diablo, there are the same tired people who need to stand on their soapbox that need to proclaim they are not buying the game for the same tired issues. Why even bother? Blizzard is not listening here, and all those buying it will not be dissuaded. So are you just doing it just to see yourself take a stand?
im actualy more psyched about this than diablo 3. Im not sure why... its been so long since i played a diablo game and the third one seems to have no marketing behind it... torchtlight is just fresher in my mind
I think you guys are being a bit harsh. I don't think any stands need to be taken here. Both of the issues you guys are addressing have very good reasons for existing. First off, it's not DRM, it's just an online game with remote hosting, just like Diablo 2 had. D2 of course had an offline mode as well but you'll recall you couldn't take your offline characters onto Battle.net (there were unofficial offline servers as I recall, but they were nothing but hackers).
As for the AH, that concern makes a bit more sense to me but even then, I think its easy to understand why they're doing it. Items were sold for real money in D2 from day one. It's going to happen in D3 as well. There's simply no way around it. Thus Blizzard takes control of that, brings everyone into that game, and hopefully that means it won't be entirely dominated by Chinese sweatshops.
I get that you guys feel like you have to stand up for yourselves and that's fine, but I think some of you, with all due respect, are so paranoid you're seeing perceived attacks from harmless and even necessary things. I promise, I will NOT think any less of you if you buy this game, and I will NOT question your devotion to fair gaming. Anyone that does isn't anyone you need to concern yourself with.
As for the AH, that concern makes a bit more sense to me but even then, I think its easy to understand why they're doing it. Items were sold for real money in D2 from day one. It's going to happen in D3 as well. There's simply no way around it. Thus Blizzard takes control of that, brings everyone into that game, and hopefully that means it won't be entirely dominated by Chinese sweatshops.
I get that you guys feel like you have to stand up for yourselves and that's fine, but I think some of you, with all due respect, are so paranoid you're seeing perceived attacks from harmless and even necessary things. I promise, I will NOT think any less of you if you buy this game, and I will NOT question your devotion to fair gaming. Anyone that does isn't anyone you need to concern yourself with.
Grabbing both personally. D3 I'll play single player and TL2 I'll play with my friends since it's LAN friendly.
Guys, I just watched a video trailer. This game is filled with unbelievable sights, and left me with indescribable feelings, like I was soaring, tumbling, and freewheeling through some endless diamond sky. I think it's LSD.
@DasPooch: I'm with you man. I refuse to support such things.
@Cloud: For me personally, no. I know blizzard could give a shit less about my lost sale. But much like voting, if you don't do it, you have no right to bitch when things happen you don't like. I think this is a horrible precedent, worse than online passes. Not everyone has internet, or good connections. Nevermind that its just flat out bullshit. When Ubisoft does it everyone screams, but blizzard gets a free pass? No.
@article: Can't wait for torchlight 2. Loved and played the shit out of the first.
@Cloud: For me personally, no. I know blizzard could give a shit less about my lost sale. But much like voting, if you don't do it, you have no right to bitch when things happen you don't like. I think this is a horrible precedent, worse than online passes. Not everyone has internet, or good connections. Nevermind that its just flat out bullshit. When Ubisoft does it everyone screams, but blizzard gets a free pass? No.
@article: Can't wait for torchlight 2. Loved and played the shit out of the first.
Passing on Diablo 3, getting Torchlight 2 day 1. Normally I'd still pick up a game like D3 on sale for $20 for the single-player, despite the DRM. But since Blizzard games never go on sale (never seen SC2 below $50) I guess Blizzard will never see ANY of my money.
@jimboxxx:
Actually, you have it mixed up. Diablo III will come to consoles eventually. Torchlight II, on the other hand is stuck because it's too large for a download title (over 2GB), but not 'big' enough for a retail release.
The good news, console fans, is that this game will probably run on whatever PC/Mac you already own. I can play Torchlight I on my freaking netbook. Nice study break when you're at the library etc.
I didn't think about it before, but this is probably another issue Dungeon Defender's has on console. The limit is 2GB for the 360, which matches the original install requirements on PC. But the current DD install on PC with the DLC etc? 6.1GB.
@jimboxxx:
Actually, you have it mixed up. Diablo III will come to consoles eventually. Torchlight II, on the other hand is stuck because it's too large for a download title (over 2GB), but not 'big' enough for a retail release.
The good news, console fans, is that this game will probably run on whatever PC/Mac you already own. I can play Torchlight I on my freaking netbook. Nice study break when you're at the library etc.
I didn't think about it before, but this is probably another issue Dungeon Defender's has on console. The limit is 2GB for the 360, which matches the original install requirements on PC. But the current DD install on PC with the DLC etc? 6.1GB.
@Cloud:
Of course we are talking about it here. But we're also voting with out pocketbook. And there are a lot of people here passing on D3 if you hadn't noticed.
@Tristix:
The "features" you talk about have a horrible side effect, though - no modding. Probably because Blizzard wants to make you pay for any additional content. Since Torchlight II will emphasize mod support, that's a huge difference between the two titles. I prefer games that are "open", that's a big reason for playing on PC in the first place.
Of course we are talking about it here. But we're also voting with out pocketbook. And there are a lot of people here passing on D3 if you hadn't noticed.
@Tristix:
The "features" you talk about have a horrible side effect, though - no modding. Probably because Blizzard wants to make you pay for any additional content. Since Torchlight II will emphasize mod support, that's a huge difference between the two titles. I prefer games that are "open", that's a big reason for playing on PC in the first place.
Blizzard really should offer a cheaper "offline version" of the game for those of us that could care less about multiplayer. Say $40 for the single-player campaign and no always-on DRM. I'd go for that. Then they could offer the ability to upgrade your game to full online by registering it through Battle.net. Not really that complicated.
@Tristrix
YES IT IS DRM. No matter how you sugar coat it it is DRM. It's not like Diablo 3 is a game with no single play component. It has one that forces you to be online every single second you're playing it, that is DRM. Period.
YES IT IS DRM. No matter how you sugar coat it it is DRM. It's not like Diablo 3 is a game with no single play component. It has one that forces you to be online every single second you're playing it, that is DRM. Period.
AGREED just hope Diablo 3 sales bomb as more peeps switch to TOrchlight 2 PEEPS need to vote with their wallets and tell Blizz that the kind of DRM shit dont fly with gamers
@DasPooch: I'm with you man. I refuse to support such things.
@Cloud: For me personally, no. I know blizzard could give a shit less about my lost sale. But much like voting, if you don't do it, you have no right to bitch when things happen you don't like. I think this is a horrible precedent, worse than online passes. Not everyone has internet, or good connections. Nevermind that its just flat out bullshit. When Ubisoft does it everyone screams, but blizzard gets a free pass? No.
@article: Can't wait for torchlight 2. Loved and played the shit out of the first.
@Cloud: For me personally, no. I know blizzard could give a shit less about my lost sale. But much like voting, if you don't do it, you have no right to bitch when things happen you don't like. I think this is a horrible precedent, worse than online passes. Not everyone has internet, or good connections. Nevermind that its just flat out bullshit. When Ubisoft does it everyone screams, but blizzard gets a free pass? No.
@article: Can't wait for torchlight 2. Loved and played the shit out of the first.
@Derangel
So they're lying, then?
Come on, dude. There's every reason for them to do this that doesn't involve some sort of secret boardroom discussion with cognac and cigars and evil laughter. Blizzard are the good guys, always have been. Consistently high quality, consumer-friendly products. If they offer an explanation, and that explanation doesn't involve DRM, I think they've earned enough good will with PC gamers over the decades to get the benefit of the doubt, don't you?
So they're lying, then?
Come on, dude. There's every reason for them to do this that doesn't involve some sort of secret boardroom discussion with cognac and cigars and evil laughter. Blizzard are the good guys, always have been. Consistently high quality, consumer-friendly products. If they offer an explanation, and that explanation doesn't involve DRM, I think they've earned enough good will with PC gamers over the decades to get the benefit of the doubt, don't you?
@Tristix: I understand the AH. Fine. Bit I'm a sp Diablo player, as are a lot of guys I know. That's where I'm coming from. Even as someone taking a stand, I can agree with you that some folks are a little extreme in their stand.
@Jinx: Does psn cap at 2gb? I swear I've downloaded a couple things that were more, but maybe those were $20 titles. Id gladly pay that for T2 though. Also I would pick up D3 for consoles. After a price drop and as long as it didn't also force always online.
@Jinx: Does psn cap at 2gb? I swear I've downloaded a couple things that were more, but maybe those were $20 titles. Id gladly pay that for T2 though. Also I would pick up D3 for consoles. After a price drop and as long as it didn't also force always online.
@Tristrix
No, not really. I don't blindly support anyone. I judge people and companies based on their current actions not their previous ones. Blizzard can say whatever the hell they want but it will ALWAYS be DRM. You clearly don't understand what DRM is and why no matter what you or anyone says this is still classified as DRM.
No, not really. I don't blindly support anyone. I judge people and companies based on their current actions not their previous ones. Blizzard can say whatever the hell they want but it will ALWAYS be DRM. You clearly don't understand what DRM is and why no matter what you or anyone says this is still classified as DRM.
@Derangel
Alright, don't come at me with this "if you disagree you don't understand what it means" bullshit, first of all. That's just immature.
Really though, why automatically assume the worst? When you've got a situation like we clearly have here where it comes down to your perception vs the stated position of the developer making the game, why automatically assume you're being blatantly lied to? You don't even know this guy, and unless you're mad about something you haven't mentioned yet, Blizzard has never done anything to you in its decades-long history to offend you. I don't get why someone would just jump to the worst possible conclusion like that?
Alright, don't come at me with this "if you disagree you don't understand what it means" bullshit, first of all. That's just immature.
Really though, why automatically assume the worst? When you've got a situation like we clearly have here where it comes down to your perception vs the stated position of the developer making the game, why automatically assume you're being blatantly lied to? You don't even know this guy, and unless you're mad about something you haven't mentioned yet, Blizzard has never done anything to you in its decades-long history to offend you. I don't get why someone would just jump to the worst possible conclusion like that?
@jeremiah
Not my business, I know, but just out of curiosity. Is there any particular reason why you don't consider it an option to play Torchlight 2 on PC?
Not my business, I know, but just out of curiosity. Is there any particular reason why you don't consider it an option to play Torchlight 2 on PC?
@Tristrix
Because it doesn't matter. I don't need to assume anything. It's staring me and you and everyone right in the bloody face. You can't say something isn't DRM just because a company gave some good PR lines. It is DRM, it was always DRM, and it will always be DRM. If you don't see it you are blinding yourself to the obvious truth. I don't even care if their PR bullshit is true or not because it does not matter one tiny bit. DRM is DRM no matter how it's sugar coated or excused. Steam is a great service, but guess what that doesn't mean it isn't also a DRM service. Same thing here.
Because it doesn't matter. I don't need to assume anything. It's staring me and you and everyone right in the bloody face. You can't say something isn't DRM just because a company gave some good PR lines. It is DRM, it was always DRM, and it will always be DRM. If you don't see it you are blinding yourself to the obvious truth. I don't even care if their PR bullshit is true or not because it does not matter one tiny bit. DRM is DRM no matter how it's sugar coated or excused. Steam is a great service, but guess what that doesn't mean it isn't also a DRM service. Same thing here.
@Tristix: I read their explanation in your link. While clever, if the game does not give you the option to play without an internet connection, it is "always-on" DRM.
Yes, their reasoning makes sense, but in the end it takes the choice away from you as the player and requires you to have an internet connection at all times. If the internet goes out, no game = DRM. No other way around it.
Yes, their reasoning makes sense, but in the end it takes the choice away from you as the player and requires you to have an internet connection at all times. If the internet goes out, no game = DRM. No other way around it.
So DRM D3 its a solution vs chinese farmers who sells items in exchange of real money?
I dunno, lol, but Ivé played D2 before only with myself and my friends on LAN. That didn´t hurted me.
I dunno, lol, but Ivé played D2 before only with myself and my friends on LAN. That didn´t hurted me.
@Derangel
...or it could just be an online game. You don't call online games DRM, do you? That'd be stupid. Things aren't nearly so black and white as you're making them out to be. I'll leave you alone about it though.
...or it could just be an online game. You don't call online games DRM, do you? That'd be stupid. Things aren't nearly so black and white as you're making them out to be. I'll leave you alone about it though.
@Tristrix
It's not an online game though. Single player= Offline. That's how it has always been and always should be. Diablo 3 isn't a multiplayer only title and locking the single player behind an always on connection means it is DRM.
It's not an online game though. Single player= Offline. That's how it has always been and always should be. Diablo 3 isn't a multiplayer only title and locking the single player behind an always on connection means it is DRM.
Starcraft 2 put way to sour a taste in my mouth for me to consider getting d3. I guess I just don't like where they are going with their games anymore. And the worst part is the hype machine always revs me up for their releases a year in advance only to slowly whittle away that hype into mehness.
Torchlight 2 UT is then *goes back to best the first one*
Torchlight 2 UT is then *goes back to best the first one*
I am suprised at the amount of butthurt over something that is basically a non-issue. If you really want to play Diablo 3 offline wait about 1-2 days after the release if not earlier, and there will be a crack available. See this is the nice thing about PC gaming, if a company does something you don't like with their software, someone will modify it within hours of release. I don't really see the point of playing Diablo offline anyways but that's an entirely different argument alltogether. This entire D3 thing just confirms the fact that gamers are a bunch of whiny, ungrateful self-entitled jerks nowadays.
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