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Yes, GoW is pretty and it's a well constructed shooter, but don't you get the feeling that some of the physics are like walking on the moon rather than a dystopian Earth?
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
Metroid Prime was a great game, but does not hold a candle to the five above as far as changing peoples' ideas on what "good" graphics are.
Thanks Ishaan. Feels good to be back. :)
Thanks Ishaan. Feels good to be back. :)
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
nice list :)
I can think of quite a few other games that madde me change my perspective about garaphics...
Half Life 2 (well, before it was delayed...), Metroid Prime, Doom 3.
Next up, Crysis ?
I can think of quite a few other games that madde me change my perspective about garaphics...
Half Life 2 (well, before it was delayed...), Metroid Prime, Doom 3.
Next up, Crysis ?
Good list, but definately lacking a few PC greats, HL2 or Doom3?
Maybe Crysis like Yshaana said, that game looks tight
Maybe Crysis like Yshaana said, that game looks tight
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
Welcome back, Savant! Another awesome and thoughtful list. I can't argue with any of those choices. Each one has played its role, raising the bar for graphical (looks and physics) prowess in each generation.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
In the future, I expect Assassin's Creed will play just as important a role as the titles you mentioned above.
LOL Ishaan - having some issues? :))
One of the games that made me say "wow" way back was Donkey Kong Country. For the SNES, it was the cream of the crop. Also, the water in Super Mario Sunshine was really impressive IMO.
One of the games that made me say "wow" way back was Donkey Kong Country. For the SNES, it was the cream of the crop. Also, the water in Super Mario Sunshine was really impressive IMO.
I would take FFVII off that list due to it being FMV, and not really game graphics. I dunno, I never gelled with that game, and considering that the use of pre-rendered CG is the reason for it to be there (the summons were neat, but I remember fighting Sephiroth and chaining eigh Bahamuts together, all of which were unskippable, so I went and made a sandwich) I think that's a pretty weak entry.
Other games to consider:
1) Pilotwings: Great 3D for the time, and very smooth gameplay. I thought it was stunning.
2) StarFox: First polygonal title on a home console. Paves the way for the N64 and 3D in general. Apparently, according to Wikipedia, Miyamoto was working on a 3D mario with the FX chip, but realized it wasn't powerful enough. So, they designed new hardware and Mario 64 was birthed.
3) Strider (Genesis): This game was awe-inspiring back in the day.
Truth is, there are a lot of "graphically-influential" games out there (big ditto on Donkey Kong Country) and there are a ton more to list (Soul Calibur?! Hello?!?!). Decent list, except for FFVII.
Other games to consider:
1) Pilotwings: Great 3D for the time, and very smooth gameplay. I thought it was stunning.
2) StarFox: First polygonal title on a home console. Paves the way for the N64 and 3D in general. Apparently, according to Wikipedia, Miyamoto was working on a 3D mario with the FX chip, but realized it wasn't powerful enough. So, they designed new hardware and Mario 64 was birthed.
3) Strider (Genesis): This game was awe-inspiring back in the day.
Truth is, there are a lot of "graphically-influential" games out there (big ditto on Donkey Kong Country) and there are a ton more to list (Soul Calibur?! Hello?!?!). Decent list, except for FFVII.
no doubt half life 2 is absolutely stunning.
assasin's creed and crysis will definately be the next two to carry the torch, but what about the older games that really made you crap your pants?
wolfenstien did it to me. 3-d, the introduction of the first person perspective, that was really light years ahead of anything else in its day.
assasin's creed and crysis will definately be the next two to carry the torch, but what about the older games that really made you crap your pants?
wolfenstien did it to me. 3-d, the introduction of the first person perspective, that was really light years ahead of anything else in its day.
I agree with the comment about FFVII being FMV. If you take away the pre-rendered backgrounds and video, what do you have left? Extremely blocky, poorly animated, crude looking geometry. I never liked games that sold based on their cinematics, and FFVII sold like gang busters because of them. All you ever saw in the commercials were the cut-scenes. It amazes me to this day how many people were fooled by that and still claim that games like that are beautiful. Sure, the cinematics are beautiful, but that's not what I consider to be part of the game.
If I were to compare it to something, I'd say it's like a sleek, sporty, jaw-dropping sports car that looks good from the outside, but on the inside you have the engine from a Yugo. But who cares? Sex sells. The general mass don't buy things for substance, they buy for looks.
If I were to compare it to something, I'd say it's like a sleek, sporty, jaw-dropping sports car that looks good from the outside, but on the inside you have the engine from a Yugo. But who cares? Sex sells. The general mass don't buy things for substance, they buy for looks.
SAVANT, you finally found your computer again. I am glad, i was starting to wonder how long it was going to take you to realize the ice dispensor on your fridge wasn't your computer. Good job
Time to back up my claim for FFVII being #1.
It wasn't just about the FMVs. Honestly. At the time, the sheer designs of so many things in the game just blew me away. The characters, the envrioments, summons, everything was just so right that i made for a wonderful gaming experience. But as far as everyone knocking the FMV's for being the "life blood" of the game and the reason why it is on this list; it was above anything ever done in a video game ever before. Today it is commonplace because of FFVII's great artistic direction both in and out of the games great cutscenes.
But you know what? It wasn't the FMVs by themselves that persuaded me to put it as #1, it was just the sheer greatness that the game brought to the industry at the time that paved the way for some many things today.
I know not everyone will agree with my list, but it is as honest as I can get from an avid gamer's point of view.
It wasn't just about the FMVs. Honestly. At the time, the sheer designs of so many things in the game just blew me away. The characters, the envrioments, summons, everything was just so right that i made for a wonderful gaming experience. But as far as everyone knocking the FMV's for being the "life blood" of the game and the reason why it is on this list; it was above anything ever done in a video game ever before. Today it is commonplace because of FFVII's great artistic direction both in and out of the games great cutscenes.
But you know what? It wasn't the FMVs by themselves that persuaded me to put it as #1, it was just the sheer greatness that the game brought to the industry at the time that paved the way for some many things today.
I know not everyone will agree with my list, but it is as honest as I can get from an avid gamer's point of view.
Exactly, Savant. And it's the internet's job for random strangers to spew vitriol and call you a n00b fanboi.
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I think it's definitely a good topic for discussion. The fact that Soul Calibur is absent on this list means you're obviously dead wrong. But that's just one avid gamer's point of view.
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I think it's definitely a good topic for discussion. The fact that Soul Calibur is absent on this list means you're obviously dead wrong. But that's just one avid gamer's point of view.
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The list is good Mario should be at the top as it really defined 3D gaming. I would have also liked to see Ninja Gaiden on there, but you got RE4 so I will forgive you.
I seriously couldn't stand FFVII. I tried and really couldn't care for it. How can a sword cause more damage than a gun? That is just nitpicky but yeah...and yes I loved RPGs before that game like FF2(US version), FF3(US Version), Chrono Trigger (BEST RPG ever), and so on...
Ditto on the HL2... I can't wait to get my new system so i can finally re-play the game with all the settings maxed!
@BlindsideDork
Depending on the gun, a sword will most of the time do far more damage. i mean just think logically. Handgun Vs Bastard sword. A hit with a bullet will make a hole maybe inch wide, 6-8 inchs deep. A sword making a slash can open up a gash half inch by 6-15+ inchs long and 2-4 inches deep. That is more direct damage. obviously tho it is easier to make a lethal wound with a gun rather then a sword. But your just wrong about the raw level of damage.
So way to nitpick reality. /trolling
Depending on the gun, a sword will most of the time do far more damage. i mean just think logically. Handgun Vs Bastard sword. A hit with a bullet will make a hole maybe inch wide, 6-8 inchs deep. A sword making a slash can open up a gash half inch by 6-15+ inchs long and 2-4 inches deep. That is more direct damage. obviously tho it is easier to make a lethal wound with a gun rather then a sword. But your just wrong about the raw level of damage.
So way to nitpick reality. /trolling
hmm, i thought Shadow of the Colossus or ICO would end up here as well.... but i must say, the explosions in Lost Planet are absolutely amazing!!! jawdropping!!!
and yeah, i think Assassins Creed, Gran Turismo 5, Killzone and probably a couple other PS3/360 games are going to be kicking gears of war in the bootay!!! and maybe FFXIII/FFversusXIII will be kicking FFVII off it's reign as king?!?
and yeah, i think Assassins Creed, Gran Turismo 5, Killzone and probably a couple other PS3/360 games are going to be kicking gears of war in the bootay!!! and maybe FFXIII/FFversusXIII will be kicking FFVII off it's reign as king?!?
Great list; I certainly agree with what you have there.
I would like to say, though, that Metroid Prime and Star Fox Adventures were two games that really made me loose my shit at how the looked. Granted, Star Fox wasn't the most fun experience, but it certainly stands as one of the nicest-looking games around.
I would like to say, though, that Metroid Prime and Star Fox Adventures were two games that really made me loose my shit at how the looked. Granted, Star Fox wasn't the most fun experience, but it certainly stands as one of the nicest-looking games around.
Hey, Maximum. I get a funny feeling that, damage wise, wearing a bullet in or near that red squishy thing (we call a heart) is a little more damaging than a slice off the ol' buck hide.
Am i the only one who was amazed by the replays on Gran Turismo on the Playstation 1? It was the first game that was it worth watching the replay on.
@Sleepywilloe
That funny feeling is prolly your common sense being filed under "not in use", I already said a bullet can be more lethal then a sword. But not more damaging. A bullet hole through your leg and one through your chest, (assuming it's the same type of bullet from the same type of gun) is roughly the same amount of damage. damage inflicted per area to tissue. As i already said tho one type of damage is more lethal then another.
I love to troll. /Trolling
That funny feeling is prolly your common sense being filed under "not in use", I already said a bullet can be more lethal then a sword. But not more damaging. A bullet hole through your leg and one through your chest, (assuming it's the same type of bullet from the same type of gun) is roughly the same amount of damage. damage inflicted per area to tissue. As i already said tho one type of damage is more lethal then another.
I love to troll. /Trolling
"it was just the sheer greatness that the game brought to the industry at the time that paved the way for some many things today."
*applauds*
I agree whole-heartedly. I knew as soon as I saw FF7 at #1 that the sh*t had officially been stirred, but I think it's a great choice, and I feel the same way you do about the game. Still do. A lot of the 3D PS1 RPGs do not stand the test of time, but FF7 does. End of story.
*applauds*
I agree whole-heartedly. I knew as soon as I saw FF7 at #1 that the sh*t had officially been stirred, but I think it's a great choice, and I feel the same way you do about the game. Still do. A lot of the 3D PS1 RPGs do not stand the test of time, but FF7 does. End of story.
You really cant have Gears and Oblivion.. 2nd gen 360 needs only one game to make the point.
Soul Calibur, Gran Turismo 3, HL2, Quake, and many others are much more worthy than some of them up there
And why is PC gaming constantly getting the journalistic shaft? it seems everyone's only writing about consoles and WoW while there are still a lot of other PC gamers out there
Soul Calibur, Gran Turismo 3, HL2, Quake, and many others are much more worthy than some of them up there
And why is PC gaming constantly getting the journalistic shaft? it seems everyone's only writing about consoles and WoW while there are still a lot of other PC gamers out there
That whole gun/sword debate reminds me of something you'd read on Gaia.
Let's not stoop to that low.
Let's not stoop to that low.
well put bassbeat - looks like you played games BEFORE 1995.
And since so many people are bringing up great PC games (Ultimate Doom was the purely and uncontested graphical benchmark and percursor to 3D gaming and it wasnt even 3D!), it seems rather apparent that the author is ignoring PC games for the simple, well-known fact that PC's always have and have the graphical edge to consoles which are stuck with the technology built in them. With the obvious fact that Oblivion and the FFVII port made appearances on PC, they still were focused on making the said console shine.
But overall, the author made a good effort at making some educated 'guesses' to games that made a graphical impact on the industry - but it's still very much up for debate.
(ie. I completely and utterly disagree with FFVII being #1)
And since so many people are bringing up great PC games (Ultimate Doom was the purely and uncontested graphical benchmark and percursor to 3D gaming and it wasnt even 3D!), it seems rather apparent that the author is ignoring PC games for the simple, well-known fact that PC's always have and have the graphical edge to consoles which are stuck with the technology built in them. With the obvious fact that Oblivion and the FFVII port made appearances on PC, they still were focused on making the said console shine.
But overall, the author made a good effort at making some educated 'guesses' to games that made a graphical impact on the industry - but it's still very much up for debate.
(ie. I completely and utterly disagree with FFVII being #1)
Was anyone else not at all blown away by FFVII? It's was a big step up, yeah. But I never said "whoa" like I did with Super Mario 64. It was actually FFVIII that did that to me. Going back and playing VIII it almost holds up to today's standards...
I agree with putting Gears of War on here. I would consistently get myself killed because I'd be going for the chainsaw kill, because the blood effects were just beautiful.
@Maximum
Sorry Maximum for the afore negative reply. I would like to state heartedly that it is true that a slice from a blade can do more damage to the body than a small hole.
Personal opinion: I can't help but think that a dead person is as damaged as a person can get. That's why I instantly connected the subjects "Lethal" and "Damage" together.
Sorry for any disgruntlment I caused,
SleepyWilloe
For me it was always those laser disc games at the arcade. I nearly shat my pants the first time Dragon's Lair crossed my eyes.
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