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Congrats Jim, you are a star now. Also I am getting pretty excited for this game. Gamefly first though for sure.
I'm still excited about the game and it's still in my top 5 games of 2008, but it could suck like nobody's business and I'm ready for that as well.
I honestly LOL'd when I read that quote.
Also, that's not exactly a negative quote, it's just hoping that the demo doesn't suck. I'd say that all games should hope their demo doesn't say "I’m a problematic, over-developed piece of wank."
Also, that's not exactly a negative quote, it's just hoping that the demo doesn't suck. I'd say that all games should hope their demo doesn't say "I’m a problematic, over-developed piece of wank."
I would say, yes you are too hard on the game. Yeah, it's had development woes but its coming from a good developer. It's not like they're parading the game out like the 2nd coming like other devs (Clifford B., Peter Moly., etc.). They showed the game too early, it looked bad. It's like 2 years later already and people are still using that first showing to rip on the game.
To me the quote sounded like one of hope rather than one of angst. Hoping the demo is good and not a problematic piece of wank sounds like you still have hope for this game. They just used it because said wank.
They just don't sound confident. I'm pretty sure I know what confidence in your product looks and sounds like, and quoting someone who said something negative-y about you isn't confidence. And that shows in the way the game plays, and the overall feeling I take away from it.
We'll have to wait and see I guess.
We'll have to wait and see I guess.
I don't give a crap about this game but THAT is hilarious!!
"piece of wank" You need to clip that and frame it!
With as much crap that sees the light of day, how can they NOT expect us to have a bit of gallows humor every once in a while? Especially you writers who are soaked in gameshit.
"piece of wank" You need to clip that and frame it!
With as much crap that sees the light of day, how can they NOT expect us to have a bit of gallows humor every once in a while? Especially you writers who are soaked in gameshit.
I wish Dyack would shut the fuck up and let the game speak for itself. History has shown that nothing good has ever come from developers spouting off crazy shit and getting defensive, before a game is released.
As a native of St. Catharines (a city just outside of niagara falls) i hope the game does well and we see the expansion of SK.
Maybe they'll give Jim Sterling the key to the city too!
Maybe they'll give Jim Sterling the key to the city too!
I think you got it right. We've been hearing about it for so long that most of us have lost interest.
Anything to counter the huge waves of hype that every goddamn game gets, Jim.
When I go to Metacritic to check out a game, the first thing I do is scroll all the way down to the bottom, for the low scores. Why? Because 99% of the reviews are almost entirely identical, game-fellating in the hopes they caught the right trend early.
So no, I don't think you are being too hard on them. If anything, your line about having a 'sliver of hope' was too kind.
When I go to Metacritic to check out a game, the first thing I do is scroll all the way down to the bottom, for the low scores. Why? Because 99% of the reviews are almost entirely identical, game-fellating in the hopes they caught the right trend early.
So no, I don't think you are being too hard on them. If anything, your line about having a 'sliver of hope' was too kind.
@Aetsen
Honestly, I think Dyack has been pretty reserved for someone who's game is constantly attacked by people who've never played it. He's never claimed it would be the greatest game ever, just that he feels it's the greatest game he's ever made. He hasn't claimed it's going to revolutionize the industry or anything. He's basically said, he'll let the game speak for itself and hopefully people would like it. That's why putting out a demo is a big priority for him.
@Jim
I don't think you're being too harsh (especially that quote). Well maybe a little, in that this is one of those games that is immediately met with skepticism, while Haze didn't seem to. But I'd say it's "playfully" harsh (at least from you) and nothing to worry about.
Honestly, I think Dyack has been pretty reserved for someone who's game is constantly attacked by people who've never played it. He's never claimed it would be the greatest game ever, just that he feels it's the greatest game he's ever made. He hasn't claimed it's going to revolutionize the industry or anything. He's basically said, he'll let the game speak for itself and hopefully people would like it. That's why putting out a demo is a big priority for him.
@Jim
I don't think you're being too harsh (especially that quote). Well maybe a little, in that this is one of those games that is immediately met with skepticism, while Haze didn't seem to. But I'd say it's "playfully" harsh (at least from you) and nothing to worry about.
I don't really care one way or the other about this game, but I think you did great Jim, developers need harsh critics to put the pressure on so they don't release garbage.
I agree with what Guitar Atomik said. His game is always being labled as "suck" when not many people have really played it. Those who have played it (Shane Bettenhousen and a few others from EGM/1Up) have said what they've played was great.
I also agree that Jim has a right to be skeptical and that his comment wasn't at all "mean." That's absolutely ridiculous.
I also agree that Jim has a right to be skeptical and that his comment wasn't at all "mean." That's absolutely ridiculous.
"Is such skepticism about a game a bad or a good thing, do you think?"
Good. I think developers, just like anyone else who makes art, need critiques to improve them selves, and cynics so they strive to make a better game. Always strive for better. Always.
Good. I think developers, just like anyone else who makes art, need critiques to improve them selves, and cynics so they strive to make a better game. Always strive for better. Always.
@Mr Kryptonite
I'll be prepared to shoop 4.5s onto Too Human screenshots as soon as that comes true.
I'll be prepared to shoop 4.5s onto Too Human screenshots as soon as that comes true.
My problem with Too Human is that it's sounding more and more like it's going to be what Fable was last-gen. A game that sounded too good to be true and turned out to be exactly that.
I've been looking forward to this game as what it has always been hyped up as: a console successor to the Diablo formula. Cutting the co-op down to 2 players pretty much negates that. I wish SK would at least compromise and allow 3 player co-op since they claim the engine can handle 4 players. If the game really does get too chaotic with more than 2 players then let the players make that choice. What draws people back to these games is the teamwork it takes to progress through them. Phantasy Star Online wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful if it only supported 2 players.
I have no doubt that the single player game game will still be good (just as Fable was) but I have very little faith the online play is going to hold anyone's interest for long. For me that's the difference between buying and gameflying.
I've been looking forward to this game as what it has always been hyped up as: a console successor to the Diablo formula. Cutting the co-op down to 2 players pretty much negates that. I wish SK would at least compromise and allow 3 player co-op since they claim the engine can handle 4 players. If the game really does get too chaotic with more than 2 players then let the players make that choice. What draws people back to these games is the teamwork it takes to progress through them. Phantasy Star Online wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful if it only supported 2 players.
I have no doubt that the single player game game will still be good (just as Fable was) but I have very little faith the online play is going to hold anyone's interest for long. For me that's the difference between buying and gameflying.
@skullivan
Though I believe it when they say 4 is too much (mainly because the people who played it agreed) I kind of hope they patch that option in as well. Dyack did say the technology is still in there so I'm sure it's possible to just make it available as an option later.
Though I believe it when they say 4 is too much (mainly because the people who played it agreed) I kind of hope they patch that option in as well. Dyack did say the technology is still in there so I'm sure it's possible to just make it available as an option later.
It's not like you said this game is gonna suck balls. You said this game had better not suck balls.
I heard an interview with Dyack and he basically said what everyone always says. We think people are going to like the work we put into this. People are going to get their own experiences from it...blah blah blah. He seems pretty confident in it. When I first heard about this game I could not care less but the more and more I hear I might give the game a shot.
I heard an interview with Dyack and he basically said what everyone always says. We think people are going to like the work we put into this. People are going to get their own experiences from it...blah blah blah. He seems pretty confident in it. When I first heard about this game I could not care less but the more and more I hear I might give the game a shot.
I wouldn't worry too badly about St. Catharines... it's a smallish city and that's a local newspaper.
@Rockvillian
How does a journalist quoting the Sterling have anything at all to do with Dyack's confidence in his product?
How does a journalist quoting the Sterling have anything at all to do with Dyack's confidence in his product?
1st to say: Jim Sterling is a problematic, overdeveloped piece of wank
Seriously, anyone up on their Lovecraft should know that "real" journalists quoting JS is NOT a good sign.
Seriously, anyone up on their Lovecraft should know that "real" journalists quoting JS is NOT a good sign.
Games with really long development cycles (more than a decade) are always a bit worrisome. Wasn't this game being developed for one of the last gen consoles (PSone even?) and than was reworked for the 360 and than some crap happened and boom... you're nearly a decade into a game that most likely isn't going to be able justify that amount of time spent on it. As many console platforms as Too Human has hopped onto and than jumped ship just makes me nervous about the final product. I'd love this game to be some kind of awesome, and some of the recent reports do say the game could be a lot of fun, but damn Dyack if your game takes over 10 years expect to get some flak from the community.
When you work on the same project for too long, you eventually become unable to remove yourself from the project. You can no longer sit back, look at it, and seriously ask yourself if you accomplished the goals you set out to achieve.
I hope that this isn't the case for this project.
I hope that this isn't the case for this project.
Too harsh? Poppycock! It shouldn't take that long to make a game. And if it is going to take that long, keep a lid on it. Doubting their abilities after repeated internal failures is not too harsh. Its realistic at this point to assume the game may just be as Jim says.
@JohnnyWadd: Wow, another St. Catharines local. Awesome! We should totally throw a Niagara Region Dtoid NARP or something . . .
As for Too Human, I just want them to get it done and overwith, so they can start working on ED2.
As for Too Human, I just want them to get it done and overwith, so they can start working on ED2.
@lostalaska
Technically, they haven't been working on it that long. It was originally conceived on the PS1, but then SK became a 2nd party Nintendo developer and development was stopped to work on Eternal darkness. Once Eternal darkness was finished, they planned to go back to TH but Dyack got the offer to do the Metal Gear remake and couldn't pass it up. So once THAT was done, they found out the new direction of Nintendo was going towards the Wii and they decided they didn't want to make those kinds of games so they split off. By this time, Microsoft was getting ready to release the Xbox 360 and was interested in Too Human so development was restarted on that platform.
So yeah. It was thought of waaaay back then, but they haven't actually been working on it recently.
Technically, they haven't been working on it that long. It was originally conceived on the PS1, but then SK became a 2nd party Nintendo developer and development was stopped to work on Eternal darkness. Once Eternal darkness was finished, they planned to go back to TH but Dyack got the offer to do the Metal Gear remake and couldn't pass it up. So once THAT was done, they found out the new direction of Nintendo was going towards the Wii and they decided they didn't want to make those kinds of games so they split off. By this time, Microsoft was getting ready to release the Xbox 360 and was interested in Too Human so development was restarted on that platform.
So yeah. It was thought of waaaay back then, but they haven't actually been working on it recently.
I'm still really interested in this game. The storyline alone will get me to purchase it, let alone all of the customization and replayability.
Great quote, btw.
Great quote, btw.
Game developers have just grown accustomed to the games media performing fellatio on each and every one of their games when they are in the dev phases. God bless Jim and Destructoid for telling it like it is.
Sitting at work this morning reading this article and I read Jim's quote, and I start laughing my butt off. What weird connection. Out of all the blogging sites in all the world, they pick Destructoid. Too funny.
I plan to raid the Silicon Knights Studios at some point. I just have to get an invite first or sneak in through the back door.
I plan to raid the Silicon Knights Studios at some point. I just have to get an invite first or sneak in through the back door.
dyack should be glad anyone is talking about his game. silicon knights is overated. eternal darkness is still talked up as an unappreciated masterpiece or something but it was just a corny piece of shit imo. if too human features the same brand of 'brilliant' storytelling i'll be bitching about it soon :) awesome concept denis! norse myths crossed with robots?! RAD! whats next?? greek myths crossed with ninjas?? u go girl!
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