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Too gay to play: Gay gamer's name banned from Xbox Live photo

A gay gamer with the gamertag "theGAYERgamer" has had his name banned from Xbox Live for being "offensive." As we all know, Xbox Live is a hotbed of homophobia, but it seems that if enough bigots raise the alarm, they will be appeased.

I have had a bad morning. Last night when i tried to sign into my xbox live account "thegayergamer" I was told that it had to be changed. I figured that it was just from people reporting it as an offensive name being that the greater Xbox live community isn't exactly welcome to gay people, i spend a lot of time muting people on Halo3. I assumed that once i called Microsoft they would straighten things out.

I talked to a supervisor there, Roxy, who told me that she didn't personally find the fact that my gamer tag had gay in the name offensive, but that the greater Xbox community did, so i would have to change it. I hope I'm not the only person who finds this don't ask, don't tell policy disgusting... eek.

So, even if Microsoft employees don't find a name offensive, they will take it down if enough people whine about it. Of course, it's not certain whether people complained because they thought the name was homophobic, or if they were themselves homophobes who were offended because of "dem darn faggits on mah Live," but given Xbox Live's majority clientèle ... I think we can more or less rule out the former case.

That's just sad. While I don't agree with one advertising their sexuality (I don't scream mine from the rooftops unwarranted), one should have a right to do it if they wish. The man wants us to know he's a gayer gamer than everybody else, so he should be able to tell us. It's a shame that small-minded idiots on Xbox Live can have their way instead.


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Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:40
Professor Pew
I don't agree with banning him just for having the word "gay" in his GT. However, if you look at the current status of XBL and what people make up the majority of the active chatters, there is another side to it. You know people are just gonna go on a homophobic rant when they see such a nickname, which only makes the experience worse for those people that just want to have fun and play. That way, in the current state of XBL, you only make things worse when your GT is something like GAYERgamer or ZoMgPs3isBeTtEr or URconsoleBREAKSlololol. Especially if you say Halo3 is amazing while doing it!

I'm not saying it's right. But until MS fixes XBL to make these things easier to defuse or less likely to happen (somehow), I think you're just gonna have to live with it happening from time to time. It's not really a civil liberties issue here, it's a company with a company network consisting of a majority of brand-aware consumers who happen to be racist and homophobic. What do you think will happen? :P
teknomcr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:44
teknomcr
Personally I think I am theGAYERgamer, but what do I know. It's sad that closed-mindedness is still around. Maybe when a huge catastrophe happens and we have to work together, not as straight/gay/black/white etc. but as humans, the issue will cease to exist. *Sigh*
Violet Son's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:46
Violet Son
I don't see a problem with advertising your sexuality in your tag. If you want to meet similarly-minded people online, you need a name that suggests what you are all about. Since gay people are still very much an outsider group (and especially so on XBL) forming sympathetic and empathetic contacts is even more important.

I don't know if you guys have had more run-ins with the rainbow mafia than I have or something, but a gay guy wanting to connect with others is about the least confrontational thing I've ever heard.
Leathersoup's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:47
Leathersoup
Now you know why Nintendo uses friend codes...
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:48
-PL-
Is GAY even a bad word? He's not using it in a derogatory manner ("You're gay!", "x is gay!"). It's almost as if people are trying to erase knowledge of homosexuals' existence altogether by getting rid of any references that may remind them of homosexuality. Pretty sad.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:50
Mushman
This is bullshit, and one of the reasons why i brought a fucking ps3 over the 360. I mean seriously, WHAT THE FUCK MS!! I hate live with all of the goddamn frat boys, 14 year old dick heads and jizzfucks. *end rant*

@FLASHBAK, yes youre right, there is no reason for him/her(maybe) to announce his/her sexuality, but the real question is what does it tell you about the live community in general. The person in question was simply using the freedom of speech, a god given right for goodness sake, the live community are real asshats, yes you do get your asshats on psn, but, for real, the ratio is a LOT less, the online aspect is inferior to that of LIVE without a shadow of a doubt. That I admit, however, I'd accept that if it meant
not dealing with fuckheads everytime I wanted to play online, which it does.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:54
GrayFox
What a fag.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 13:59
Mushman
@5DIGIT
Exactly,talk about double standards
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 14:12
Sharpless
@Pew
MS will never fix XBL, because there will always be racist fucks.
Dudemullet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 14:15
Dudemullet
people have already seen things the way I see em especially trevor and Sterling but I'll just give my opinion another shout.

I think the only ones doing anything wrong here are the users that complained, M$ is only keeping up with their customers and well as its been said before what do you expect when you put thing like GAYESTgamer or FATTESTgamer? It's the same thing as when chicks with cleavage get mad because people ar staring at their tits, well don't wear a big fucking cleavage end of problem.
bVork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 14:17
bVork
A friend of mine had the gamertag "Niggor Mortis". Yes, he is black. That doesn't seem to matter to MS, as he had to change it.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 14:48
Dexter345
I honestly think it's just as much a case of people reporting the name because they think it's homophobic. I have these two friends, they're brothers, and they're not gay, but their Gamertags are aGayAccountant and aGayDoctor. Which they had to change from aGaySomethingElse, twice. Each. They think it's funny.

So I can imagine seeing somebody with the name theGAYERgamer and thinking, "Man, I really wish people would stop making fun of gays." And then yes, I would probably report him.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 15:00
ArrestedDeveloper
Meh, I think having to change your pretend online gaming name is no big deal. If your gamertag has a word that that can be used to offend someone, whether or not the word applies to you, you shouldn't be to surprised when they ask you to change it. That's just the gay P.C. world we live in. ........er.....retarded P.C world.......umm..... less than great P.C. world we live in.
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 15:36
Alexradl
I personally hate it when people purposefully display their sexuality/gender/race/ect online. I really don't care about the personal lives of people on Live or PSN. As some other people have said, I believe this guy was just asking for it. He just wanted attention.

The bigger issue here is how the customer service reps deal with reported names. It seems that after a certain number of reports, the user is automatically banned. I don't think that is the best way to deal with these types of situations. The report system is often abused by the numerous kids on Live.
DaveKap's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 15:50
DaveKap
I had the same thing happen to me.

I tried to register the name "MyPenisIsHUGE" but it told me I couldn't because the name was offensive, when all I wanted to do was let the world know that my penis is, in fact, huge. C'mon MS, stop banning our names!
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 15:51
Kyousuke Nanbu
The guy is a stupid attention whore, there is no need to call attention to his sexuality like that, all it does is bring about more assholes, he was asking for it.
Gareson's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 15:58
Gareson
Why does one's sexual orientation have to be declared to their world in their gamertag...speaks of a lack of confidence to me...or simple immaturity.
Lucca's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 16:01
Lucca
Well, technically, he indeed was asking for it.

Yes, it is unfair. Labeling and all. But it is also the guy's own fault, at least a bit.

As for XboXLIVE, couldn't care less. FPS crowds are always degenerates. (Exceptions still apply.)
CSampson's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 16:13
CSampson
To get the brightest responses from this story, read what Trevor, Corak, and especially Luckbad had to say. Everyone else has failed to see that there is NOTHING to see here. Chances are that MS just said that to the guy to take responsibility off of them. It obviously worked. A cry for attention from this guy no doubt.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 16:44
Capn Birdseye
I read a few of the comments, but I am certainly not going to read them all, so I apologise if this has already been said, but I think they banned the name because it would be taken as offensive from the GAY community, not the straight one.

And the word "gay" is taboo. It would be like if I called myself "The <ethnic slur> Gamer". Even if I was that particular ethnic group, the name would still be banned.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 17:05
savagesaladin
Wahhhhhh. Cry baby. Let everybody in the room know that you take dicks in the ass.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 17:16
MaximusPaynicus
While on a personal level I'm not a fan of it, I see why MS did what they did. With a name like that, you're really just asking for trouble.
Schmo0zle's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 17:46
Schmo0zle
Funny...

My Xbox Live name is "RACIALPROFILE". It told me to name my profile, so I just typed "racialprofile" as a joke...

Never been asked to change it...Though, I wish they really would so I COULD change it, because I do not like it. :P

Everyone: REPORT MY NAME!!
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 17:48
Usedtabe
I'm glad to see the feedback system working. I don't find his name offensive, but if others did they have the right to leave feedback for it. It's not bigotry, if anything the community spoke and didn't like your name. MS listened to the majority, end of story. But I forget that when it comes to homosexuality anything done against homosexuals(regardless if it has anything to do with their sexuality) is looked upon as a form of hate and bigotry.
Also, the idiot who brought up "free speech" needs to read a fucking book and realize when and where free speech rights apply.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 18:21
xe-cute
Quote from ARTTEMIS "I think any reference to sexuality is out of place in a gaming/networking community, especially one that is available to all ages."


@ ARTTEMIS - Oh yes, we must not let the kids know about the word 'Gay' until they are much older.

^Sarcasm (incase you are American)!

P.S. I thought users of 'Networking Communities' mostly did throw there sexuality down your neck in there profile one way or the other thinking they may hit lucky.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 18:27
Sharpless
@ARTTEMIS
I hate to tell you this, but Xbox Live is not intended for all ages. You're not supposed to be able to get an account on there unless you're 17 or 18 (I forget) with your own credit card. It's fucking idiot parents who let their kids get on their and drive the prepubescent population up.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 18:35
Usedtabe
@Sharpless: I think in the Eula it actually says 13, and you don't have to have a credit card as you can buy the memberships from the store without an age verification. Now, I do wish it was 17-18 only.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 18:42
Wedge
Oh look, lots of comments.

I hate fags that feel the need to around labeling themselves like this, just pushes the retarded notion that being gay and being a gamer are somehow at all relevant to eachother. If you need to present your sexual preference as some part of your identity like that, I have no respect for you. Not saying he shouldn't be able to do it, but it's just as dumb as any other number of retarded labels out there people put on themselves.

Either that or he's just a drama whores looking for press like this.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 18:55
Samit Sarkar
@SavageSaladin: GTFO my internets, you homophobe.

This entire controversy makes me very sad.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:01
Usedtabe
@Samit Sarkar: The hive mentality strikes again. Though I don't agree with Savages (possible, don't know him personally) homophobic stance, he has every right to say it and think it.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:18
Arttemis
@XE-CUTE: You quoted my statement and then put words in my mouth. Never did I say to censor children on sexuality.

Gamertags that needlessly flaunt this serve absolutely no purpose, though. Personally, I have no problems with anyone's sexuality, but that doesn't mean it has to be shoved in peoples faces --- but that's not even the issue here. The name violated the EULA as I said in my original post.
I still stand by my opinion that needless public expression of sexuality of any kind has no place in a gaming network.

Also, I couldn't care less about other "Networking Communities." Namely because I wasn't talking about them. What's done in those is completely irrelevant.
Odd, though, how you seem to cast a negative light on their "throwing sexuality down ones neck" in that case, but thought it perfectly fine for XBL.

---

@SHARPLESS: Anyone above the age of 13 has rights to access many features on XBL. To quote a Microsoft press note:
"As of the December 4, 2007 dashboard update, Windows Live Messenger on Xbox Live is now available to child accounts if the user is 13 years of age or older."

Xbox Live isn't just a service for multiplayer matchmaking in M-rated games. Considering how Xbox 360 games are rated E through M, there is no reason to bar all children *under the age of 18* from using it. (I qualified the word "children" in that sentence because reaching the age 17 or 18 is in no way an indicator of maturity. I would imagine a larger percentage of "adults" would impose rudely/unethically in games than a 13 year old.)
Gareson's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:21
Gareson
@Jim Sterling
The term "homophobe" is ridiculously misused. I am not "afraid" of gay people, I just disapprove of their behavioral choices. Perhaps there are people like me(actually there are millions like me) who don't think that it is necessary to broadcast one's sexual orientation. I agree with Microsoft's stand....and no, I don't think that makes them "afraid"(phobic) of homosexuals. Just like if I put "Heterosexualgamer" as my gamertag...it would be inappropriate because my identity as being straight has no place in a gaming community. Don't worry though, if Microsoft bans my new tag, I won't say they are "heterophobes"...because that would be plain...gay. Yeah, political correctness is stupid...a language system engineered by progressive liberals to try to curb freedom of speech. "Homophobe" is a classic, overused PC term. Thankfully, PC is dying a well-deserved death in our culture.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:26
Usedtabe
@Arttemis: LOL, we're both saying the same thing on the same 2 blogs(Dtoid and Kotaku).
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:28
Arttemis
@I_Hate_This_Place: Ha, I noticed that. ;D
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 19:51
xe-cute
So many ignorant peeps here it is truely amazing.

@ Wedge, fuck off using the word 'fag'. Do you also use the N word when talking about black people?

@ ARTTEMIS It does serve a purpose, It is so people know he is gay and other like minded peeps can add him as a friend for chat and gaming etc. It is not offensive in anyway shape or form.

BTW where does the line get drawn? Names like NUMBER1KILLER and etc are more offensive as they are violent names that are impressionable on young kids? Or what about IKILLYOU etc etc. Stupid gamertags but they do not get banned or taken literaly as the person being a murderer in real life.

@ GARESON - saying something is gay that has nothing to do with sexuality is implying you are using the word negatively ("because that would be plain...gay"). GROW UP AND GET EDUCATED.

The problem with ignorance is you can't argue with it, So I ain't gonna try to prevail here.

BTW for the record I am straight, but most my real life friends are gay. They are darn good friends too, so I do get defensive over the stupid ignorance of others. Especialy when they think all gays are camp and screaming queens which is so untrue (they just easier to spot).

Anywhoz, I'm stepping out of this conversation as like I say I know from experience that it's just one of them arguements where it is truely a black and white line drawn and no changing the views of either side.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:25
Mxyzptlk
The guy wasn't banned, he just has to change his name. Is it stupid? Yes. Does this mean ZOMG MS SUPPORTS GAYBASHERS ORGANIZE A BOYCOTT!?!?!! No. They apparently got enough complaints that it became an issue. Whatever the motivation behind those complaints, they were from other paying customers of XBL. XBL is a commercial service. You aren't guaranteed the constitutional right of free speech on it or protection from the opinions of morons. If MS says "Sorry, people complained about your name, you have to change it" then either change it to something that won't piss off stupid people or stop giving MS money and quit.

When I used to play WoW, I had to change my name from "Mxyzptlk" because people complained about it. I changed my name, didn't cry on the internet about how I was being attacked for being a comic book nerd, and somehow managed continue living my life.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:29
Jim Sterling
"The term "homophobe" is ridiculously misused. I am not "afraid" of gay people, I just disapprove of their behavioral choices."

Instead of homophobe, for you, I can use "homoignoramus." The idea that sexuality is a "choice" is rather more ridiculous than the use of the term homophobe, which has pretty much taken on a more widespread meaning in this day and age. Thanks for playing.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:33
Jim Sterling
Also, some people need to learn what political correctness is. What Microsoft did, THAT is political correctness, not the people who think banning the name was lame.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:05
Arttemis
@XE-CUTE:

If the purpose of proclaiming sexual preference publicly on a gaming community is simply to find other people of a matching sexuality, I'd say that's not the most appropriate use of the video game console's network. To claim that everyone of matching sexual preference, recognized solely by the users' names, is like minded and socially compatible seems incredibly obtuse. Sexuality isn't the sole determination of friendship, and by your example, all heterosexual males and females should be added to each other's friends-list simply because they're physically compatible.
I can't believe that's the purpose of XBL.

Also, to answer your question, Microsoft has already drawn the lines, and it's at their discretion to enforce them. The terms of agreement are clearly displayed when creating an XBL account.
"-Create a Gamertag or use text other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, sexually explicit language, sexual innuendo, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities."
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/

Personally, I'm not offended by the names, but I don't view proclamations of sexual orientation as appropriate for Xbox Live. I do agree with Microsoft's non-biased naming policies, though. Call me an "ignorant peep" all you like, it doesn't serve any purpose or contribute to your point.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:49
BlackSunEmpire
Wow, ignorance is alive and well. To those who felt that reporting sexuality was not necessary. Is it necessary to not report your sexuality??

This is not something I would do, as I'm sure it's not something a lot of people would do, but I respect someones right to do it.

@Holiday, possibly one of the more fucked up comments I've ever read. I don't want to put words into your mouth, but what exactly are you insinuating about gay people?? Sorry if I read your comment wrongly, but if you would like to reword it, I'll happily listen.
takkun169's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:52
takkun169
Of course if the tag was "theLesbianGamer" every Live playing loser would be in love and MS would have no problem with it.

This just shows how weak microsoft is as a company and community leader.

I'm thoroughly disgusted by this.
OhJAM's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:57
OhJAM
Hay, this is Microsoft. Open-minded thinking doesn't exactly come standard.
Respectable Gentleman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 22:16
Respectable Gentleman
@Blacksunempire
The difference between a sexual deviant and a pedophile is that pedophiles have no morals. Gays have morals. Yay gays.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 00:01
BlackSunEmpire
@Respectable Gentleman

I assume you're just trolling, but I would go further and say that the difference is that gay people are indulging in a consenting relationship/partnership between adults and are not breaking the law. Also, pedophiles are aroused by children, which is not what I understand of the definition of someone who is gay. I don't agree that it's only 'morals' that stop them wanting to interfere with children. Or do you believe all amoral people are aroused by children??

I also doubt that being gay is something that is still defined as a sexual deviance any more than having a thing for blondes is.
Gareson's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 01:07
Gareson
@Jim
Sorry, Jim, myself and many do see homosexuality as a behavior and not as a genetic predisposition...and there are plenty of studies to back that up as I am sure you probably know. I guess all of those researchers are "ignorant" too...just because they disagree with Jim Sterling. Interesting.

Also, sorry...you have political correctness wrong. PC is always driven by a liberal agenda. Therefore, MS banning a name lauding homosexuality is hardly an action of political correctness...thankfully it is a strike back against it.

Jim, with your choice of articles to write I am continuously amazed by your immature desire to focus on anything that stirs of social controversy surrounding videogames. I am not sure if you really see this as your niche at destructoid or whether you are just acting out to receive attention as a child might. Whether it's you beating up on Christians or chastising MS for banning a pro-gay gamertag, you seem to go out of the way to turn destructoid into your own personal soapbox of socio-political commentary. Honestly, I think people mainly come to this site for information about videogames, not to have offensive social views(at least offensive to a good portion of people) thrust upon them.
Words of Ivory's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 01:09
Words of Ivory
Since when was a reference to homosexuality the equivelant of naming yourself after a sexual organ or acts like suitable to be discussed around younger gamers?

You ever think that, homosexual or not, the gamer tag was just meant to be cute and silly? And yet it's been compared to using derogatory negro terms or body part?

Since when was Destructoid full of so many idiotic bigots? *rolls eyes*
Gareson's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 01:10
Gareson
...while Destructoid is certainly edgier than its counterpart blogs such as Joystiq and Kotaku, and we all expect that and appreciate that identity, your commentaries take Destructoid to a level of sophomorish nonsense that unfortunately diminishes the site and the fine work of other editors here.
Words of Ivory's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 01:30
Words of Ivory
@ GARESON
I wouldn't call Destructoid "edgier" than Joystiq or Kotaku. I'd usually call it "smarter". I'd usually called it's reader-base smarter too.

I highly doubt most of us care about your extremely short-sighted belief that anything that discussed bigoted stupidity is "immature", and your self-absorbed intellect is infinitely more childish and self-serving than you propose Jim's article to be.

Apparently, gamers (and Destructoid) don't have the right to discuss broader, more niche (and possibly controversial in more PC-centric individual's minde) subjects? Last time I checked, that was the whole appeal of Destructoid.

Mind you, that doesn't change the rather depressing ignorance of poster claiming that calling yourself ihaveaPUSSY, BIGdickJOHSON, or NIGGERbitchWHORE is somehow equivelant to user the term gay in your gamertag.

Since when was it a derogatory term, might I ask?
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 02:32
Wedge
Yay I baited someone into calling me out for saying "fag" and then even using the predictable comparison to black people, thusly vindicating me without their knowledge. SO AWESOME.

And I was worried nobody would catch it that late in the thread.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 04:28
Jim Sterling
"Sorry, Jim, myself and many do see homosexuality as a behavior and not as a genetic predisposition...and there are plenty of studies to back that up as I am sure you probably know."

Just like there are plenty of studies that "back up" the claims that videogames make people violent killers -- let's not hang on the words of the "research" too much, yeah? Just because "you and many" people think homosexuality is a choice doesn't make it true. Speaking from experience, I can tell you it's not something one just wakes up one morning and decides. No gay person says "I think today is the day I will like penis." It doesn't work like that.

"I guess all of those researchers are "ignorant" too...just because they disagree with Jim Sterling. Interesting."

There are "researchers" who "prove" the opposite as well. You can find a study for everything, so I tend not to use it in arguments. Makes a man look like he's on Fox News.

"Also, sorry...you have political correctness wrong. PC is always driven by a liberal agenda. Therefore, MS banning a name lauding homosexuality is hardly an action of political correctness...thankfully it is a strike back against it."

Do you have "research" that backs up these claims? Part of political correctness is labeling a term socially unacceptable. That is what MS has done. The idea that MS scored this heroic blow against political correctness is rather silly.

"Jim, with your choice of articles to write I am continuously amazed by your immature desire to focus on anything that stirs of social controversy surrounding videogames. I am not sure if you really see this as your niche at destructoid or whether you are just acting out to receive attention as a child might. Whether it's you beating up on Christians or chastising MS for banning a pro-gay gamertag, you seem to go out of the way to turn destructoid into your own personal soapbox of socio-political commentary. Honestly, I think people mainly come to this site for information about videogames, not to have offensive social views(at least offensive to a good portion of people) thrust upon them."

And we can't escape a discussion without a personal dig at my body of work, can we? It just wouldn't be a guy arguing against Jim Sterling if that wasn't the case, right? I don't even need to take this one apart. My readership speaks for itself -- plenty of people that come here for my work, but you keep speaking for everybody, please.
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