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"People are still upset over that Black Mesa comment?"
Oh come on now. The irony here is palpable. If I didn't take advantage of it, I'd be disappointed in myself, haha.
Oh come on now. The irony here is palpable. If I didn't take advantage of it, I'd be disappointed in myself, haha.
@Killas- It's a fair question (just like it was when I asked it about Black Mesa).
Some of these games could stand on their own as retail products. Some could not. Thankfully, I think more land in column A than column B.
@Janklogs- I don't like MLP. And why do you want to not like something just because I do? Am I your anti-role model?
Some of these games could stand on their own as retail products. Some could not. Thankfully, I think more land in column A than column B.
@Janklogs- I don't like MLP. And why do you want to not like something just because I do? Am I your anti-role model?
Adventure Time is the best cartoon on the air in years. It's so good not even Jonathan Holmes' approval could turn me off of the show.
"It's a fair question (just like it was when I asked it about Black Mesa).
Some of these games could stand on their own as retail products. Some could not. Thankfully, I think more land in column A than column B. "
To be clear, I don't think the PS2 comment is fair in either case. The fan stuff seems relevant here but less so with Black Mesa. As noted by others in said thread, people would've been far more excited by an official remake of HL1.
Some of these games could stand on their own as retail products. Some could not. Thankfully, I think more land in column A than column B. "
To be clear, I don't think the PS2 comment is fair in either case. The fan stuff seems relevant here but less so with Black Mesa. As noted by others in said thread, people would've been far more excited by an official remake of HL1.
@killas2- I actually didn't read any of the comments in the post. I ended up talking to people on twitter who read my comment and sought me out to explain the game's appeal before I even got that far. I think I sort of get it now, but I still have trouble relating.
I'm just puzzled by excitement around remakes in general.
Anyway, from the screenshots and the video in Josh's post, I thought Black Mesa looked like a pretty good PS2 game. That's just my opinion. "Fair" or "not fair" doesn't really play into it.
And do people find that opinion so hurtful? A lot of PS2 games look great, even by today's standards (SotC, Katamari, and Okami immediately come to mind). They just don't look technically impressive.
I don't see why saying a game isn't technically impressive looking is such a big deal.
I'm just puzzled by excitement around remakes in general.
Anyway, from the screenshots and the video in Josh's post, I thought Black Mesa looked like a pretty good PS2 game. That's just my opinion. "Fair" or "not fair" doesn't really play into it.
And do people find that opinion so hurtful? A lot of PS2 games look great, even by today's standards (SotC, Katamari, and Okami immediately come to mind). They just don't look technically impressive.
I don't see why saying a game isn't technically impressive looking is such a big deal.
Go and check out the entry from some of the Dtoid EU boys!
http://www.adventuretimegamejam.com/submissions/61-what-was-missing
http://www.adventuretimegamejam.com/submissions/61-what-was-missing
@Killing
more excited maybe. But not anywhere near as impressed. Or surprised: valve repackaged hl2 a butt ton, and remakes/hd upscales are all over nowadays.
My bro was really happy for this, and from what I've seen it really is quite impressive. But it would be less so if it wasn't fan made, simply because a big name company making a remake would be expected to have similar or better quality.
Not that this should devalue the game or its devs... if anything, it makes them look really good.
more excited maybe. But not anywhere near as impressed. Or surprised: valve repackaged hl2 a butt ton, and remakes/hd upscales are all over nowadays.
My bro was really happy for this, and from what I've seen it really is quite impressive. But it would be less so if it wasn't fan made, simply because a big name company making a remake would be expected to have similar or better quality.
Not that this should devalue the game or its devs... if anything, it makes them look really good.
The reason people are incensed is, well, because BM couldn't possibly be on the PS2.
For example, you might recall that the original Half Life was actually released on the PS2. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=playstation%202%20half%20life - Here's some videos of it. For the time, the game was praised for its graphical capabilities (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-2/half-life/critic-reviews).
Black Mesa looks better than that. Way better. Way way way way way better. And it's in HD. It's not even close. It's not like a matter of opinion. It's a matter of technical capabilities.
Most of us agreed in the comment chain that if you just came out and admitted how ridiculous the PS2 comment was, we'd all be legit with it. Shit happens. Sometimes, people talk too quickly. But you just keep circling the wagons and acting as though it's just a matter of opinion. It's not, man. It's really not.
Beyond that, many of us saw you as a champion of retro and non-modern looking games. Yet, here you were, basically saying, "Why the excitement, the graphics aren't that great!" I get plenty excited about projects without modern graphics. In fact, I'd argue that most of my excitement goes to projects without modern graphics. So that was it too.
Personally, I don't care at all whether you like HL. You could say it's a big stinking turd, and I wouldn't even bat an eyelid. It was the cynical focus on looks as well as the completely inane technical commentary that really drove me bonkers.
For example, you might recall that the original Half Life was actually released on the PS2. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=playstation%202%20half%20life - Here's some videos of it. For the time, the game was praised for its graphical capabilities (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-2/half-life/critic-reviews).
Black Mesa looks better than that. Way better. Way way way way way better. And it's in HD. It's not even close. It's not like a matter of opinion. It's a matter of technical capabilities.
Most of us agreed in the comment chain that if you just came out and admitted how ridiculous the PS2 comment was, we'd all be legit with it. Shit happens. Sometimes, people talk too quickly. But you just keep circling the wagons and acting as though it's just a matter of opinion. It's not, man. It's really not.
Beyond that, many of us saw you as a champion of retro and non-modern looking games. Yet, here you were, basically saying, "Why the excitement, the graphics aren't that great!" I get plenty excited about projects without modern graphics. In fact, I'd argue that most of my excitement goes to projects without modern graphics. So that was it too.
Personally, I don't care at all whether you like HL. You could say it's a big stinking turd, and I wouldn't even bat an eyelid. It was the cynical focus on looks as well as the completely inane technical commentary that really drove me bonkers.
@Ronin
Fair enough.
Honestly, the funny part of all of this is that I don't really care much about HL. I'm not a big fan. I just couldn't believe that Holmes could say something that was, simultaneously, so technically inaccurate and so breathtakingly cynical.
Fair enough.
Honestly, the funny part of all of this is that I don't really care much about HL. I'm not a big fan. I just couldn't believe that Holmes could say something that was, simultaneously, so technically inaccurate and so breathtakingly cynical.
@killias2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGM&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s
People sometimes make mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGM&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s
People sometimes make mistakes.
Too bad Amazing World of Gumball doesn't get this much love. It's a pretty underrated show comparatively. I've always been a big fan of Adventure Time from the very beginning, but I've been really getting into Gumball these last few months. I'd go so far as to say the show is greater than Adventure Time. No lie.
Awesome, awesome, awesome. Can't wait to spend some time with these games.
And thank you, D. Micheal Moore, whoever you are(PhilK3nS3bb3n?). You have served humanity well and may Glob remember you always.
And thank you, D. Micheal Moore, whoever you are(PhilK3nS3bb3n?). You have served humanity well and may Glob remember you always.
@Auggie: Personally can't stand it, but my daughter loves it. You seen Gravity Falls. Waddles is the shiiieeeet.
There's a game in here based on the episode 'What was missing' made by three of Destructoid's very own EU community members.
@Auggie Glad you enjoy it but the few episodes I've seen left me bored while Adventure Time always leaves me feeling enchanted. Different strokes, yo.
These games are neat and this is a pretty darn neat idea!
These games are neat and this is a pretty darn neat idea!
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