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eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:18
eternalplayer2345
Is it mother 3 amazing in terms of combat system yes or super yes?

How do you feel that the versus mode in L4D where you can become a zombie is only in two levels?

How could playstation make a better ad?

And finally can I sit on Jim's lap?
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:23
nukka jdav
While everyone is on a Left 4 Dead high, what kind of DLC do you see Valve adding in the future? New boss zombies? What kind of levels would you like to see, etc, etc.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:27
Dexter345
On RPG combat: were there any RPGs you've played whose story and characters you didn't particularly care for, but you played anyway because the combat itself was so fun? For me it was definitely Final Fantasy X.

On the other hand, what RPGs have you played that had completely boring combat but you played to completion because of a great story?
ryanrab1's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:29
ryanrab1
Der Sïëgëlpüntz™:

You will have a super galatic time in Super Maro Galaxy!
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:33
pendelton21
Since Rev was a dick and called dibs on Bill, who is the rest of the Podtoid group gonna be in L4D?

Also, Jim, what is the first thing you're gonna do once you arrive in this great country of ours (aside from unpacking and doing all that lame moving stuff)?

Also, what other pro-rights group should make ripped-off video games?
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:38
ParaParaKing
*insert random Boner Quest here*

Now that we have that out of the way:
Romantic dating games have a huge following in Japan and some are considered to be incredible tearjerkers over there. Have you ever playing one of those and what do you think about the romance, they try to convey?

*insert random follow up Boner Quest question here*

On a side note:
After all those terrible things happening the last weeks with Metacritic or Activision, today the German page of wikipedia was closed down, because of a stupid German politician suing the site, which made me really sad and angry at this world.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:40
Puppy Licks
Do you guys have a game or series of games that you love but the game's title just shits you to tears? For example, Giants: Citizen Kabuto. LOVED the game, but is the "Citizen Kabuto" really necessary?

Also Left 4 Dead needs DLC in the form of a shopping centre map. Agree or Strongly Agree?
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:41
garison
"Careful, or you'll fall into Fallout 3's immersive clutches this holiday season!"

Someone asked this a few Podtoids ago, but you guys never answered it on the show, and I am kind of interested to know.

How much do you guys spend on games monthly?
Mr Pibb's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:44
Mr Pibb
I love Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! This one's my favourite: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0VxgUc_v2Zs&feature=related

Also, what is your favourite RPG combat system? Turn-based, real-time or something like VATS?

And do you think that something like "conveying romance" is tied to the gameplay? Many RPGs have romance story arcs whereas there's pretty much none in shooters.
Mike Hawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:49
Mike Hawk



^^^ just in case aaron didn't see it yet

i also has a question: in fps games (and fallout i guess), which gun do you guys always use? i'm personally an assault rifle kind of person
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:51
Dan CiTi
"You'll have a real FEStival of fun when you pick up Persona 3 FES!"

Why is Okami the best Zelda game?

Is Resistance 2 not Gears of War 2 in first person basically?
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:55
Spartacus
Recently, there has been controversy surrounding the idea of internet dibs. The general idea seems to be, the more important you are, and the more exposure your dibs have, the greater the repercussions are for ignoring said dibs, if there are any consequences at all. My question is this: Do you think the idea of dibs are archaic and juvenile in nature, and is there a better way of doing things so that more people can get what they want? Calling dibs on the internet also has vague implications; if someone calls dibs on a character, are they the only person who can play as that character, ever? If someone isn't aware of another's dibs, do they get off scot-free for breaking them? If someone calls dibs on something first, but someone more important calls dibs later, who gets the dibs? These are important issues, and I think we as gamers need to set general rules as to how and when we will call dibs, and what's off limits.

Also, my Fallout 3 manual smelled minty. Discuss.
mr moustache's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:58
mr moustache
Since Bonerquest in confirmed for Wii, how will the incluion of waggle effect the gameplay?

Also can the ending be a slow motion video of spunk flying towards Laurens face?
Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 16:59
Zombutler
What are some last gen games or series that you guys think would make a really amazing game this gen? I think that the sly cooper series would be amazing on the current consoles, just to name an example.
Anthony Burch's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:02
Anthony Burch
Spartacus:
Did the comment editor crash for you? Because all I see is a big area of blank space. I literally don't see anything there.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:02
Sharpless
Der Sïëgëlpüntz™: IF LEFT 4 DEAD DOESN'T RESURRECT YOUR SENSE OF FUN, THEN YOU DON'T DESERVE TO FUCKING LIVE.

I love Sir Digby Chicken Caesar so fucking much. Anyway, question. Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but have you seen this video of L4D being played on TF2's Dustbowl map? What other kinds of mods are you dying (oops) to see, in Left 4 Dead? Personally, I'd love to see the TF2 characters take on the infected.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:06
Dexter345
From now on, all questions about BonerQuest should be called "BonerQuestions."
eYak's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:10
eYak
Anyone play the Quest for Glory series? They had an interesting fighting game-style combat that took your stats into account. I'd love to see something in the FF universe use a semi real-time system without it being done Zelda-style.
KMCC's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:11
KMCC
Usually, I play a game because I think it's awesome, but sometimes I notice I'll gravitate towards certain types of games based on my mood. This had me wondering about the structural influence of games on us, instead of the narrative/thematic influences:

For example: Have you ever wondered if the appeal of retro games, and some newer games like Braid, is tied to their inherent rigidity of structure? That is, a small, self-contained world where the rules are constant and your direction is clear and nothing is random?

For example: Braid dealt with some heavy things, but could it have achieved a similar feel without the text? Just music, environment and gameplay? Or just even just environment and gameplay? Do you think there is untapped potential for emotive gameplay experiences based purely on game structure? (Passage is the most elegant example I can think of)
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:14
AgentMOO
Shallit Pun:

You better hold on, because you're going to Fall out of your seat playing fallout 3
Funky Goodness's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:14
Funky Goodness
Do you think that the recently announced Blood of Bahamut for DS would've given Squeenix a fantastic opportunity to show off their creativity/awesomeness had it been on a console instead?

Think about it. 4 player co-op SotC-alike... Come on, you can't deny that that would be an orgasmic experience.

Or, dare I say it... a Bonergasmic experience?
Fusiontr's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:15
Fusiontr
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar is probably one of the best sketch characters in recent years
I love Mitchell & Webb
Managed to buy Peep Show Series 1-5 for £25
Best purchase ever!

Anyway, question time

With the NXE on it's way in a mere two days time, are there any features that you would have liked Microsoft to have spent time on rather than re-doing EVERYTHING pretty much?

Also, those of you, if any, who are in the early release of NXE: How are you finding it? or from what you've seen does it seem like a good decision on Microsoft's behalf?
Dastardly007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:17
Dastardly007
Can we have some Reggie Fils A-meat puns in the show please? It's been a while.
Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:18
Zombutler
@Fusiontr:

I love it, they have improved on everything. It's quicker, slicker, and has much more features. ITS JAWESOME
BizarroAlfie's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:25
BizarroAlfie
Der Sïëgëlpüntz

GET OVER HERE and play mortal kombat vs DC universe
KMCC's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:26
KMCC
Question 2: Watchmen the video game. Its happening.

My question is: Why?
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:26
Spartacus
@Reverend Anthony
It was acting a bit weird when I posted it, but I can see the comment fine. Here it is again:

Recently, there has been controversy surrounding the idea of internet dibs. The general idea seems to be, the more important you are, and the more exposure your dibs have, the greater the repercussions are for ignoring said dibs, if there are any consequences at all. My question is this: Do you think the idea of dibs are archaic and juvenile in nature, and is there a better way of doing things so that more people can get what they want? Calling dibs on the internet also has vague implications; if someone calls dibs on a character, are they the only person who can play as that character, ever? If someone isn't aware of another's dibs, do they get off scot-free for breaking them? If someone calls dibs on something first, but someone more important calls dibs later, who gets the dibs? These are important issues, and I think we as gamers need to set general rules as to how and when we will call dibs, and what's off limits.

Also, my Fallout 3 manual smelled minty. Discuss.
Senisan82's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:28
Senisan82
On RPG combat: In my opinion I think Lost Odyssey had the best jrpg turn based combat in recent memory. The battles each involved at least some degree of strategy and the boss battles were pretty difficult. Added to that is the ring system and for what its worth it made a fun battle system overall. Also, dibs on Bill!
Anthony Burch's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:29
Anthony Burch
Spartacus:
I'm really bad at being sarcastic.
Dragonzigg's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:30
Dragonzigg
In terms of RPG combat systems, do you prefer the more traditional turn based ones like old school Final Fantasys, button bash fests like Kingdom Hearts, or some sort of mid point like Rogue Galaxy or Infinite Undiscovery

Also, will Bonerquest's combat system occasionally fail to function because it's 'just not in the mood'?
Muddy Waterz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:31
Muddy Waterz
Question

Do you guys have some sort of game tradition or ritual that you follow each year? For example I play mario 64 on thanksgiving and I have to complete it by christmas for good luck. Do you do anything like this?
Citizen Erased's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:34
Citizen Erased
I don't really like That Mitchell and Webb Look...but the Surprising Adventures of Sir Digby Chicken Cesar is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on television.
Period.

Question:
Now that videogames are advanced enough to be more easily comparable to (though not at all the same as) movies do you think that more developers should be making more "arthouse" games? Or is the idea of an "arthouse game" much more difficult to pull off than an arthouse movie?
junglistgamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:35
junglistgamer
I've been playing a lot of 'Pure' lately and it's got me hooked, the game seems very adept at setting the player a fun task (accumulating boost by performing tricks) then rewarding the completion of that task with more fun (boost and the ability to perform more impressive tricks). My question is, can the design and play mechanics of a game, more so than it's art direction, narrative or characterisation justify a game as being a work of art? Personally i'd call something like Pure or Ikaruga, games which reveal their depth only through the act of playing as greater accomplishments than something like Bioshock which despite being an incredible game still uses tools such as art direction and narrative drawn from other media to convey it's artistic merit. It seems irrelevant to me as to whether or not a game makes you laugh, cry or ponder the nature of the human condition when these tasks have already been accomplished by literature, cinema and the static visual arts. Essentially i'm asking if you agree that gaming exists as an island unto itself, or is it the cumulative product of the history of art which finally adds interactivity to pre-existing media?

I know i'm dredging up a fairly tired argument, but it's something that's been playing on my mind lately and thought might warrant a brief mention on the show.

Also, is there any mileage in a Mitchell & Webb/Bonerquest crossover project, they've already got a skit called 'numberwang' - surely it's just a matter of time?
Visc's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:36
Visc
Podtoid drinking game:

Drink every time Jim says literally
Loogibot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:41
Loogibot
Anyone know where I can preorder a copy of that BonerQuest? Also, a quick Haiku:

Piracy is cool
Just never get caught stealing
Velociraptor

Now that my Velociraptor quota has been met, I can watch porn in rest.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:43
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
The beginning of this video sums up exactly what I love the most about RPG combat. I know it sounds wonky, but I get a great enjoyment out seeing the three-five separate individuals (despite there all being controlled by me) combine they’re different strengths to bring one common enemy down. Maybe it's just my inner Marxist (which I did not realize I had) but the image of a party of people with all different skills, and from all different walks of life, united towards a single goal is a sweet one. Do any of you guys share a love of similar, or completly different quirks when fighitng in RPGS?
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:44
Dexter345
Or drink every time Jim says literally, but doesn't actually mean literally.
opeth2112's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:50
opeth2112
I guess this could fall into the category of RPG combat...What do you think about bloated numbers when it comes to attacks and hit points? For example, a character with 9000 hit points attacked by a weapon that does 1000 damage is essentially the same as 9 hit points and 1 damage. I can understand the pure thrill of performing a devastating attack for 74395723 points as well as how some of the ratios that could be necessary. It just seems like the differences between 999 and 9999 hit points would be negligible, aside from cheap wow factor.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:50
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
And my Nazi Clown Pun:

Activison's Quantum of Solace is sure to be a Gold Member of you're game collection!
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:53
AgentMOO
@Scary Womanizing Pig Mask

YOUR
opeth2112's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 17:54
opeth2112
One more question : What games (if any) do you truly feel like you could use every aspect of your character for battle (potions, items, spells, traits) as opposed to just chop chop chop firaga blizzaga wash rinse repeat?
opeth2112's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:00
opeth2112
Geez - every time I hit 'submit' I think of one more thing.

Anthony - you mentioned you played Baldur's Gate. Did you use the space bar to pause the game and plan your attacks, or did you go with more of a 'live' feel and just trust the other party members' scripts and AI?
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:02
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
@AgentMoo
Heh, sorry >.< Grammar's not exactly my forte ;)
Affable Robot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:04
Affable Robot
Got a few questions:

Am I the only one that gets mad when people compare games like Lost Odyssey to something like Fable 2. Yes they are both RPGs but the style of play and combat is so different. What do you guys think?

I don't get it people always complain about DLC but places like ign write articles like games that need DLC and half the games came out in the past month. Shouldn't we start getting mad at ign and not the developers?
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:10
wardrox
INNOVATION IN YOUR FACE.

Seriously, why are reviewers unable to comprehend the pure innovative innovation innovating Mirror's Edge?
AnonymousNoob's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:24
AnonymousNoob
Hey,

Just commenting on the discussion you guys had last week regarding the Gamasutra interview with Nick Channon about the reasoning behind the use of first person in what is essentially a first person puzzle/platformer, rather than a shooter. You all seemed to jump on the comment, claiming that the sight of Faith's arms and legs broke any sense of connection to Faith as a character (as opposed to connecting the player and the main character he/she is controlling).

I have to disagree, as I think what Nick Channon was getting at is that the use of first person serves as a sort of nexus point in which the spaces of both Faith and the player are united. Similar to baroque works of art in which objects in the picture plane are painted as to give the illusion that they are extending into/out of the space of the viewer (see Caravaggio's Entombment and/or Velazquez's Las Meninas). For example, in Velazquez's work, you (the viewer) are standing where the subject (the nobility spotted in the mirror across the room) would be standing. Velazquez stands in front of you painting as he were and the room expands to the rest of the building you are standing in by way of the door to the far right of the room. Obviously you are not a noble couple, but all of these elements work together to give you a feeling of being there, despite the fact that it's not a part of your own reality. I believe the same applies to Mirror's Edge in that both Faith and the player are two separate entities, however, by way of the first person viewpoint both realities are united as one, connecting the two.


Yes, I am a college student.

PS. I also recall Topher mentioning how frustrating the game was to watch (I assume due to the first person perspective). I've heard other complaints from gamers regarding the "leap of faith" mentality and the decent amount of trial and error that occurs on the first playthrough. It frustrates me to hear this as there seems to be a wave of hypocrisy when it comes to tolerance of trial and error gameplay in retro titles such as Mega Man but complete intolerance of it when it occurs in a modern title. What are your takes on this?
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:30
Clance
Been doing some thinking about the ways in which different game developers utilise different techniques in order to let us, the gamers, know how much life we have left. Dead Space is the latest game to use no HUD, instead displaying Isaac Clarke's health using lights on his back. I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether you think this will be a good idea for Bonerquest? With a penis becoming longer and more erect or shorter and more flacid, depending on how much dadmge the character has taken?
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:34
Spartacus
@Reverend Anthony
I hate both of us a lot right now.
Zantetsuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:34
Zantetsuken
Am I the only person who has played Red Dead Revolver?
TheDeadSpace's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2008 18:37
TheDeadSpace
Shallit Pun:
you'll go nuts and bolts for Banjo Kazooie nuts and bolts.
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