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Time to get it on XBLA on the off chance I may play it with living breathing human beings...or my bro.
The re-shelled version is a horrible adaptation of an amusing old school game. I mean horrible, they really screwed it up, good riddance I say and I hope they delete it from my console!
Just goes to show, however, that one can't rely on digital content forever. Makes one wonder what'll happen in this industry's fabled all-digital future, though, that games can just disappear forever like that.
THIS. FUCKING THIS.
I don't buy ANYTHING that is only available through digital distribution. My God, I have trouble putting up the money to buy STEAM games at this point.
Xbox Live Arcade games, PSN games, WiiWare... NONE of them will be playable in the future without hacking the shit out of the systems you want to play them on, or resorting to emulation, which shouldn't have to be done. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- As far as retro gaming is concerned, digital distribution will be gaming's downfall.
THIS. FUCKING THIS.
I don't buy ANYTHING that is only available through digital distribution. My God, I have trouble putting up the money to buy STEAM games at this point.
Xbox Live Arcade games, PSN games, WiiWare... NONE of them will be playable in the future without hacking the shit out of the systems you want to play them on, or resorting to emulation, which shouldn't have to be done. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- As far as retro gaming is concerned, digital distribution will be gaming's downfall.
pedrovay2003: You can keep saying that all you want, you'll continue to sound like an idiot. "Digital distribution" is the primary way to experience "retro" gaming. Some of it "legally" and some of it "otherwise." But it's the ability to play downloaded ROMs of games that makes it even possible for most people to play old games nowadays.
Come on, hate on this crap where they take down titles as much as you want, but try, try, try not to be such a moron about it. I realize that's a tall order for most of the Destructoid community.
Come on, hate on this crap where they take down titles as much as you want, but try, try, try not to be such a moron about it. I realize that's a tall order for most of the Destructoid community.
When asked for comment, Ubisoft said the followingg "Our license is wearing thin, so we're banishing the game to a time warp from which it will never return"
I bought it a few months back on sale for 200MS points.
It's just ok, I like the original better.
There's been a few games delisted, DOOM and Ultimate MK3 are both gone too. I have both and can still play them online.
It's just ok, I like the original better.
There's been a few games delisted, DOOM and Ultimate MK3 are both gone too. I have both and can still play them online.
I bought this when it came out and was disappointed by it. I replayed it for the first time 2 weeks ago while drunk and actually enjoyed myself. No, it's not great, but it is entertaining enough when you can't decide what to play and you are drunk.
Since you can still play them online if you already own them, what's the big deal?
The only issue I can think of is if you delete or lose it some other way and need to redownload later. It's not like Best Buy would give me a free copy of my Halo Reach disc if I lost or destroyed it, so I don't see that as a big advantage for physical media.
The only issue I can think of is if you delete or lose it some other way and need to redownload later. It's not like Best Buy would give me a free copy of my Halo Reach disc if I lost or destroyed it, so I don't see that as a big advantage for physical media.
Well, you can always redownload the content once you've purchased it; grabbed Brave Story: new Traveler and SHIFT extended right before they got nixed. Semi-convinced my sister's boyfriend to get this (he liked the original (or the home console version, if they're significantly different)), but I think I'll hold off. I've made too many impulse buys lately, anyway, and no matter how appealing TMNT is, I think I'll settle for playing with him on Xbox rather than have a second copy on PS3.
This is a good example of why consoles should not lean to digital distribution. On PC, the concept is already good since you can make backups and hard copies of any game you buy.
On consoles, there is no way to back it up or make copies. You are completely dependent on the internet to obtain your games. That reason alone makes digital distribution hurt on consoles.
On consoles, there is no way to back it up or make copies. You are completely dependent on the internet to obtain your games. That reason alone makes digital distribution hurt on consoles.
Want to reiterate clearly: SO LONG AS VALVE, SONY, AND MICROSOFT KEEP STEAM, PSN, AND XBL IN EXISTENCE, YOU CAN REDOWNLOAD ANYTHING YOU'VE BOUGHT, EVEN IF IT IS REMOVED FROM THOSE STOREFRONTS.
...It's just a shame that the PSN's Download List feature is so damn unwieldy. At least with XBL you can go to the website and Ctrl+F what you want. And Steam's just a dream to redownload from (okay, maybe that was kinda over-exaggerated, but it is pretty damn easy to get your stuff back on your system).
...It's just a shame that the PSN's Download List feature is so damn unwieldy. At least with XBL you can go to the website and Ctrl+F what you want. And Steam's just a dream to redownload from (okay, maybe that was kinda over-exaggerated, but it is pretty damn easy to get your stuff back on your system).
I've never heard of that happening before. Hopefully this will only happen to games that suck, like Re-shelled sucked.
That last point is really the only thing that digital distribution needs to work on.
There needs to be a way to guarantee service for a certain period of time. As much as I love Steam, even they've said themselves that there's no guarantee that you'll be able to download a game 1, 5, 10 years from now. The same goes for Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, and every other company that provides some sort of digital distribution service.
Steam has said, however, that they will release a "patch" that will allow all their games to be played without the Steam service running. I'm sure that will cause them some legal troubles with the companies that use them to publish, but at least it's a step in the right direction. On the other hand, you'll have to have downloaded those games previous to that happening as you won't be able to download them anymore. That being said, Steam going out of business would be like Microsoft going out of business at this point. It's highly unlikely, but possible.
Either way, I'm glad that they at least give us time to download it before dropping it. They've just got a long ways to go before they offer the comfort of physical media. :)
There needs to be a way to guarantee service for a certain period of time. As much as I love Steam, even they've said themselves that there's no guarantee that you'll be able to download a game 1, 5, 10 years from now. The same goes for Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, and every other company that provides some sort of digital distribution service.
Steam has said, however, that they will release a "patch" that will allow all their games to be played without the Steam service running. I'm sure that will cause them some legal troubles with the companies that use them to publish, but at least it's a step in the right direction. On the other hand, you'll have to have downloaded those games previous to that happening as you won't be able to download them anymore. That being said, Steam going out of business would be like Microsoft going out of business at this point. It's highly unlikely, but possible.
Either way, I'm glad that they at least give us time to download it before dropping it. They've just got a long ways to go before they offer the comfort of physical media. :)
For those who have it, it should stay in your library.
I still have Doom and UMK3 and they were both removed a long time ago.
I still have Doom and UMK3 and they were both removed a long time ago.
Emulation is the real future of downloadable games. Long after stuff like this has disappeared, it will be archived in the bowels of the internet. Illegal emulation may be the only way that we ever fully archive the entirety of video games.
@Brad Nieder
When games are delisted they're not deleted from Xbox Live, they're just no longer available for a new purchase. You can redownload delisted games even if you've deleted them.
When games are delisted they're not deleted from Xbox Live, they're just no longer available for a new purchase. You can redownload delisted games even if you've deleted them.
If you've paid for it on XBL, you can go to your account on xbox.com and re-queue the download. They are only preventing NEW purchases from happening.
They did this awhile ago for titles like Double Dragon arcade.
This is also why I don't support digital distribution in really any format, except maybe GOG. I don't want to pay for a software license, I want a hardcopy (with license).
They did this awhile ago for titles like Double Dragon arcade.
This is also why I don't support digital distribution in really any format, except maybe GOG. I don't want to pay for a software license, I want a hardcopy (with license).
from what I understand tho, when they get pulled the people who bought them can still access them and redownload them if they have them. Just new licenses can't be purchased.
so i think its a non issue.
so i think its a non issue.
"Just goes to show, however, that one can't rely on digital content forever."
Uh...no, Jim, that's incorrect. More like one can't rely on creating games off of other people's properties forever. But hey, keep up the sensationalist and fear-mongering posts; that's kinda your gimmick, isn't it?
Uh...no, Jim, that's incorrect. More like one can't rely on creating games off of other people's properties forever. But hey, keep up the sensationalist and fear-mongering posts; that's kinda your gimmick, isn't it?
This kind of thing only happens now because it's the beginning of the digital transition.
Eventually, contracts will include clauses for permanent licensing for the specific product at hand. The only reason this still happens now is because a lot of these older games were created before digital was even a possibility.
Downloading games ROCKS and backwards compatible support for PSN and Live games will undoubtedly be a feature of future respective consoles. I haven't ever lost access to a single download game from PSN, Steam, or Live (the three big ones) and I download games A LOT. And these services are only getting BETTER over time. Soon, cloud saving will be standard for all of them and you won't even be at risk of losing SAVES, let alone games.
At the same time, I will never EVER buy a downloadable game on a Nintendo system until there exists a persistent overarching account (and even then I'd be tentative) so that you can recover games when your current system is kaput. They're so behind the times that they'd have to make some major strides in the right direction to get me change my stance.
Eventually, contracts will include clauses for permanent licensing for the specific product at hand. The only reason this still happens now is because a lot of these older games were created before digital was even a possibility.
Downloading games ROCKS and backwards compatible support for PSN and Live games will undoubtedly be a feature of future respective consoles. I haven't ever lost access to a single download game from PSN, Steam, or Live (the three big ones) and I download games A LOT. And these services are only getting BETTER over time. Soon, cloud saving will be standard for all of them and you won't even be at risk of losing SAVES, let alone games.
At the same time, I will never EVER buy a downloadable game on a Nintendo system until there exists a persistent overarching account (and even then I'd be tentative) so that you can recover games when your current system is kaput. They're so behind the times that they'd have to make some major strides in the right direction to get me change my stance.
Um...Wait, you're yelling at digital games? They are pulling it from the store, not your system. If it's on your system, they can't legally touch it.
If you lose it, that's your fault.
It's no different than a game being pulled from store shelves but you still have a copy.
CLOUD gaming on the other hand is a totally different issue.
If you lose it, that's your fault.
It's no different than a game being pulled from store shelves but you still have a copy.
CLOUD gaming on the other hand is a totally different issue.
Hell, if it weren't for XBLA and DD most of those games (including this one) wouldn't have existed in the first place.
Or would you rather pay $50 for a disc version of TMNT Reshelled?
Or would you rather pay $50 for a disc version of TMNT Reshelled?
1. You can still redownload it if you have already bought it
2. This means this is roughly equivalent to not being able to buy it in stores anymore
3. This has nothing to do with whether digital is better or worse than physical
2. This means this is roughly equivalent to not being able to buy it in stores anymore
3. This has nothing to do with whether digital is better or worse than physical
I got it for cheap, still haven't played it. Oh well, I've got a ton of delisted XBLA games. If you're going to delist, this is how you should go about it: let people know before it happens.
I used to get mad at this prospect, but then I realized this:
Physical games go out of print too - sometimes VERY soon (ie ATLUS).
At least I know that if I "lose" my digital copy from pretty much any service, I can re-download it at no cost. If I lose my super rare copy of (X), I'm out $150 on a used trashy copy off Ebay.
@TJF588
Are you SURE that's true?
I bought Robotron from XBLA - it went off the marketplace - I tried to re-download it on a new console with my account, and it said "file not found".
That could have been an unrelated occurrence (a temporary outage), but I just want to see if anyone's actually checked it themselves, rather than rely on hearsay from Microsoft. I know every other digital service allows you to re-queue purchases on a housed server - so that's a good thing for sure!
Physical games go out of print too - sometimes VERY soon (ie ATLUS).
At least I know that if I "lose" my digital copy from pretty much any service, I can re-download it at no cost. If I lose my super rare copy of (X), I'm out $150 on a used trashy copy off Ebay.
@TJF588
Are you SURE that's true?
I bought Robotron from XBLA - it went off the marketplace - I tried to re-download it on a new console with my account, and it said "file not found".
That could have been an unrelated occurrence (a temporary outage), but I just want to see if anyone's actually checked it themselves, rather than rely on hearsay from Microsoft. I know every other digital service allows you to re-queue purchases on a housed server - so that's a good thing for sure!
I paid $2.50 for it on an Xbox Live sale. While not the best game in the world, definitely worth $2.50
Digital games get de-listed.
Physical games go out of print
Delisting can sometimes be solved by not licensing so much shit to put in your games, its why we have so much difficulty getting Virtual Console and PSOne games as it is (but you'll blame Sony and Nintendo for being lazy anyway).
Physical games go out of print
Delisting can sometimes be solved by not licensing so much shit to put in your games, its why we have so much difficulty getting Virtual Console and PSOne games as it is (but you'll blame Sony and Nintendo for being lazy anyway).
We know that you can redownload it if you already bought it. The fact that you can do that doesn't make this a non-issue.
Most people didn't buy every game they own while it was still in print. There are whole consoles that I never owned and are no longer produced, for example the Dreamcast. But I can always buy that console and any game for it secondhand, because it was all physical product. If that system was all digital distribution, to me it would be like it never existed, because I didn't buy it within that brief window it was being sold firsthand.
The main issue here isn't about people losing a game who have bought it. It's about no one else ever being able to buy it again, in any way, after June 30.
We've seen the original Xbox Live disappear, and we know that the gaming companies will only care about selling us the next big thing. This paints a picture of a very bleak future for those who care about gaming history, if digital distribution really is that future.
Most people didn't buy every game they own while it was still in print. There are whole consoles that I never owned and are no longer produced, for example the Dreamcast. But I can always buy that console and any game for it secondhand, because it was all physical product. If that system was all digital distribution, to me it would be like it never existed, because I didn't buy it within that brief window it was being sold firsthand.
The main issue here isn't about people losing a game who have bought it. It's about no one else ever being able to buy it again, in any way, after June 30.
We've seen the original Xbox Live disappear, and we know that the gaming companies will only care about selling us the next big thing. This paints a picture of a very bleak future for those who care about gaming history, if digital distribution really is that future.
Oh, NOW everyone else is against digital distribution? Feh, I was against it before being against it was cool.
I love the original, my brother and I played it constantly back in the SNES era. I bought this day one and while they did some odd cut decisions, I still enjoy it.
But digital distribution is the future, right? I mean, everybody sucks on Valves Wang because of Steam, not realizing that something like this can and has happened under Steam before.
I really hate digital only content. Not because of quality levels, just because I know it's not a permanent investment. My 360's hard drive will fail eventually and I'm not deluded to the point to think that they'll keep Xbox Live functioning on the 360 forever. We all know how it went with the original Xbox.
Whenever I buy a game off of XBLA (or download content) and I really enjoy it, my first thought is always "I better enjoy it while I can." It's sad because some really great games are going to be lost in this mess.
Whenever I buy a game off of XBLA (or download content) and I really enjoy it, my first thought is always "I better enjoy it while I can." It's sad because some really great games are going to be lost in this mess.
In the future, those old games will more likely then not be available on other Digital Distribution channels, Dan. GOG.com is very proactive in that goal of reviving old classics for audiences old and new, and you have things like the Virtual Console emulating pass Nintendo titles.
And please, lets not spare any tears about TMNT: Re-Shelled. The game was fucking horrible.
And please, lets not spare any tears about TMNT: Re-Shelled. The game was fucking horrible.
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