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I just wanted to say I think Brutal Legend is a really swell game that I am quite glad I bought.
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I totally agree, I've actually been looking for a good 3D platformer from last gen that I missed out on since there aren't really any these days.
Once I finish with my 360 backlog I'm really considering buying the Jak games from PS2. Or maybe Klonoa for Wii, that game is sick too.
Once I finish with my 360 backlog I'm really considering buying the Jak games from PS2. Or maybe Klonoa for Wii, that game is sick too.
well, there's always going to be mario, and no one has ever really challenged him as king of platformers. i'd like to see the adventure genre return tho. king's quest was a really cool game that would easily make sense on wii. zack and wiki just didn't cut it.
Bull.
Platformer games are still going strong, heck, Mario is still on top of 2D platformers and things like Prince of Persia are colourful, 3D and don't have guns, and you have other ones like Splosion Man.
Maybe the market is saturated with shooting games, but I think Schafer is looking in the wrong places.
When was the last decent adventure game? Someone tell me.
Platformer games are still going strong, heck, Mario is still on top of 2D platformers and things like Prince of Persia are colourful, 3D and don't have guns, and you have other ones like Splosion Man.
Maybe the market is saturated with shooting games, but I think Schafer is looking in the wrong places.
When was the last decent adventure game? Someone tell me.
i think what tim said, is corect. Now i m not badmouthing anything or any genre. But the platform genre is really dying, i think the best and last that ever came out of 360, was kameo. It had everything that make a platform. i know theres few coming, for the ps3 is ratchet, then on the wii mario galaxy2 and the mysterious epic mickey game. but till the feel of it is long gone. here some of my fav: the sly series, and who knew psychonauts.
It's kind of ironic then, that he completely removed the jump feature from Brutal Legend.
Nonetheless, I completely agree with him.
Nonetheless, I completely agree with him.
@Vegas,
If people were smart they'd be playing Demon's Souls, and next week they'll rent Brutal Legend and Uncharted, and then go back to Demon's Souls
If people were smart they'd be playing Demon's Souls, and next week they'll rent Brutal Legend and Uncharted, and then go back to Demon's Souls
Schafer hit it right on the nose. There hasn't been many decent platformer games over the years. Note, I think when Schafer means platformers, he means 2D action games with a focus on jumping, like Mario or Sonic. Braid isn't an action game, so it's not a Platformer. Prince of Persia is 3D (and more focused on acrobatics), so it's not a platformer. NSMBW, now that's a platformer, and hopefully for Schafer and gamers everywhere, the resurgence of the genre.
We really do need more platformers. Granted, there's no real shortage (Mario's still going strong, and Ratchet & Clank is still pumping out good games too), but it'd be nice to have some more. Maybe Capcom should get working on another platformer Mega Man game, instead of those Star Force ones or whatever they're doing now.
I totally agree with Tim Shafer... I remeber when Crash Bandicoot was the coolest guy ever and games like Croc and Spyro came by the boatload. Good times.
Yeah ven if Super Mario 64 ignited the 3D platformer craze, for the many 2D characters that there were they moved to 3D to join the train. Unfortunately Bubsy and others that were worth forgetting joined along. Vexx was also a reason why we dont see them so much, we all got disappointed by how much it promised and delivered just plain flat.
I really really really really love platformer games, they give characters a whole vision of their concept that surrounds them.
I really really really really love platformer games, they give characters a whole vision of their concept that surrounds them.
Platformers can still exist on certain platforms, namely the DS, PSP, and digital download services. But I do agree with him, I want to see some colour as well. One of the reasons I love TF2 so much is that it still has lots of colour to it.
@runtheplacered: From what I've seen there is no way Demon's Souls is more fun than Uncharted 2. Demon's Souls looks more like a chore to me than a pleasurable experience.
Anyway, my favorite genre is platformers, and it really is a dying breed. And if they do make one, it's a platformer/shooter hybrid (Ratchet, Shadow Complex), or some other lame gimmick (Banjo Nuts & Bolts, LittleBigPlanet). There are so few straight platformers coming out, aside from Mario. Braid was good, but I want more.
Anyway, my favorite genre is platformers, and it really is a dying breed. And if they do make one, it's a platformer/shooter hybrid (Ratchet, Shadow Complex), or some other lame gimmick (Banjo Nuts & Bolts, LittleBigPlanet). There are so few straight platformers coming out, aside from Mario. Braid was good, but I want more.
@EternalDeathSlayer
YOU HOLD YOUR TONGUE Croc was awesome!
Of course, I might just be saying that because my childhood was console-deprived and Croc was the only major platformer to come to the PC (to my knowledge at least).
YOU HOLD YOUR TONGUE Croc was awesome!
Of course, I might just be saying that because my childhood was console-deprived and Croc was the only major platformer to come to the PC (to my knowledge at least).
'Splosion Man, Braid, Mega Man 9, Bionic Commando Rearmed, Muramasa, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Klonoa Wii, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat NPC, Wario Land Shake It!, Super Paper Mario, NyxQuest, LostWinds, and the upcoming Super Meat Boy.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more.
@ndschroede23
Same for me! It was my first video game, so it's always going to have a special place in my heart. No matter how saturated it made things.
Same for me! It was my first video game, so it's always going to have a special place in my heart. No matter how saturated it made things.
totally seconded. platforming is my favorite genre, and I've been starved of them lately. I just like freely running around and having simple jumps and attacks. it's uncomplicated, but very fun. and I know things like Mario will be around forever, but...I want more than just Mario, ffs.
I agree mr shaefer, we need more Jak and Daxter and less gears of war. God I am so freaking sick of games that consist of nothing but guns, gore and various tones of grey and brown textures.
I like how people like him complain that gaming is lacking something and miss the games that have came out recently or are on the way. There should be a new platform Mario game out next month and Galaxy 2 will be out sometime next year. Even outside Nintendo’s series that started back a couple hundred years ago, there are still modern examples today, even if they are a niche market. Doesn’t LittleBigPlanet count since it’s a platformer that sells retail on a HD console that isn’t known for retail platformers? I guess 2008 is too old and retro to count.
Now if he's talking about pure platformers, they are far and few inbetween, but it doesn't mean there isn't many action games with a big focus on platforming. Parkour in a way is becoming the new platformer since it's in games like Prototype (if you count running up buildings as Parkour), Infamous, and even Mirror's Edge that has a huge focus on it. Sure Parkour may be a realistic form of platforming and not the fantasy platform games like Mario and Sonic, but jumping around in games is far from dead.
Oh how I remember the floor of mascot platformers back in the early 90s and early PSOne days.
Now if he's talking about pure platformers, they are far and few inbetween, but it doesn't mean there isn't many action games with a big focus on platforming. Parkour in a way is becoming the new platformer since it's in games like Prototype (if you count running up buildings as Parkour), Infamous, and even Mirror's Edge that has a huge focus on it. Sure Parkour may be a realistic form of platforming and not the fantasy platform games like Mario and Sonic, but jumping around in games is far from dead.
Oh how I remember the floor of mascot platformers back in the early 90s and early PSOne days.
Most of those modern games you guys listed aren't really platformers. LBP has some pretty shoddy platforming mechanics, muramasa is an action game, and the rest are 2d games where platforming is just something you do, not the crux of the gameplay.
3d platformers were all about exploring the vast and varied worlds, which is the kind of game tim seems to miss most (games like spyro, crash, sm64, jak&daxter)
3d platformers were all about exploring the vast and varied worlds, which is the kind of game tim seems to miss most (games like spyro, crash, sm64, jak&daxter)
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