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ThinkGeek issues apology, responds to old Dreamcast debacle photo

Yesterday, we reported that ThinkGeek had sent an unwitting consumer a very clearly "used" Dreamcast console, while advertising them as “new in box.”

Contacting us via email, ThinkGeek co-founder Willie Vadnais reached out to us for comment to both explain and make things right.

"We have no reason to doubt this post," he writes, "and we apologize for it. We purchased these new-in-box consoles directly from a vendor who had surplus inventory. We inspected many units before they shipped, and all were absolutely new. Only the boxes had some wear and tear."

Vadnais points out that this "old" Dreamcast seems to be the exception, not the rule, saying ThinkGeek had received "many, many emails from customers satisfied with their new boxes." The retailer says it has received only two reports of these worn consoles, one of which was our original tipster.

The situation is being taken care of now, with full refunds on both the console and the shipping being offered to both customers. As for the future, ThinkGeek will indeed be selling more of these boxed-Dreamcast gems as available, and it looks like they’re confident that their stock will satisfy customers’ urge for a fresh console.

A full statement, along with the "why, how, and where" of how they got their hands on the Dreamcasts can be found after the jump.

First, a little backstory: We came upon an amazing cache of new-in-box Dreamcasts not too long ago. We had a bunch of units shipped to us to inspect them, and indeed, though the boxes were a little worse for the wear on the outside, the consoles had nary a scratch and even the wire twists that bundled the cables had never been undone. It was like magic--magic that had been hiding in a warehouse, unknown, for years.

So we asked our source from whence these beautiful Dreamcasts came, and they didn't know--could've been a liquidator, or a Circuit City that had closed shop. (Hear that? It's the sound of a plot thickening.)

But we'd seen them with our own eyes and figured it was best to share our discovery with the world. Hundreds were snatched up quickly and squees were heard 'round the internets.

So far we've had 2 instances of not-so-new-in-box Dreamcasts. The individual who received the one reported here contacted us via email (which never appeared in our inbox, for some reason) and Twitter (through which we've taken care of the situation) has already been issued a return shipping label. We're more than happy to refund him for the Dreamcast as well as shipping.

We're very sorry about the whole thing--we never meant to ship used Dreamcasts. We know our customers are smarty pants and could tell if they'd been duped with a stale Dreamcast; we'd never get away with taking advantage of you guys, so why would we try?

And now we have 3 options: 1. Stop sharing the gift of new Dreamcasts; 2. Have them all shipped to us and inspect each one individually and then ship back to the warehouse; and 3. Continue spreading the (mostly) untainted Dreamcast love and working with the very few customers who get lemons.

We hope you'll understand why we're continuing to offer them on our site (when we get our grubby little paws on more, of course). And again, we apologize to the 2 customers who ended up with what appears to be returned merchandise.

--The ThinkGeek Monkeys

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Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:46
Char Aznable
GUNK.

ThinkGeek is being pretty cool about all this, props to them.
tigerfangred91's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:46
tigerfangred91
At least they weren't assholes about it. They seem to have the customer in mind, good on them.
Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:47
Diverse
Seems like the only responded now because more people were starting to hear about it. That person who got the used DC sent them an e-mail like two weeks ago and they're only responding now? Fuck that. At least he's getting his money back now.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:49
Magnalon
Cool or not, it's still shitty that the victim's phone calls/requests weren't responded to in 2 weeks, and then ThinkGeek promptly responds a day after this going public?
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:52
Monodi
I dunno but I still want a Dreamcast despite of being new or ot. But not for 200 bucks.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:52
BluDesign
Good to see that Think Geek has finally responded. I'm glad they're getting on top of this quickly and that it sounds like it was an isolated incident. If this is the case, I can't wait for them to get their next shipment in.
Nick Chester's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 12:59
Nick Chester
@Diverse @Magnalon:

In ThinkGeek's defense, they did say the original email request was never received. While I can't confirm that (for obvious reasons), I also didn't notice their original email response to us either so...
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:05
falinter
Bah, ThinkGeek are still good people.
Jim's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:08
Jim
that's how you difuse a internet bomb.

perfect PR at work - and believable too.
moominsean's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:10
moominsean
i'd never pay $200 for soemthing i can buy for $35, personally.

but chances are those few bad dreamcasts were returned items to wherever they came from, or were meant to be sold as open items way back when...but they just sat in a pile with the rest when the store went out of business.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:13
DaedHead8
Companies sometimes take time on issues like this, I feel that Think Geek responded timely and appropriately. Good on them.
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:17
LsTr Of SmG
Out of curiosity did the customers get to keep the used dreamcasts as a show of good faith?
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 13:56
Dexter345
The ThinkGeek people are good guys. I'm not surprised this got resolved.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:03
aaronf
Screw all you people bashing ThinkGeek before they even got the chance to explain their side of the story. The least we can do is give them the benefit of the doubt until we get all the facts.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:17
Magnalon
@aaronf
I don't get it. People were bashing TG because they didn't check all of the units, and it turns out, they didn't. Their official statement says they inspected "many units", but not all.

"Their side of the story" is: "We didn't inspect all of the shipments, we just got them, and took their word that they were new. We didn't get his customer emails over the course of 2 weeks, and then responded after a popular internet site gave us bad press, a day later".

It's completely logical, but should have been handled earlier, in-house. I understand Chester's point about how they probably didn't get the email, but any normal human being would have emailed multiple times, and called, before submitting an anonymous tip to Destructoid. I've dealt with Think Geek many times in the past, and won't stop ordering from them. It doesn't mean they can't make a mistake.
Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:19
Diverse
@aaronf They had two weeks to explain their side, and they only came out now because word was starting to spread.
ThinkGeek's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:23
ThinkGeek
Just to reiterate: We're really sorry some duds got into the Dreamcast mix. And we're trying to take the steps to do right by you guys. If ever you ever get defective stuff from us, please let us know--phone (1-888-geekstuff), email (http://thinkgeek.com/bug-us), Twitter (@thinkgeek), whatever works for you.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:42
aaronf
@Magnalon:

Do you honestly expect them to open up and inspect all 200 units? I don't. They did inspect a handful of units, which I think is acceptable. I know if you had been in their position, you would not have opened up all 200 units.

I think they handled the situation perfectly. They only received two complaints, which they offered full refunds for.

@Diverse:

Where do you keep your time machine? The issue was reported yesterday, and ThinkGeek issued a public statement today. That's a phenomenal response time.
moush's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:49
moush
They're lucky the rest of the people didn't bother checking. Of course they knew they were used, why else would they be selling them all of a sudden.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:55
AgentMOO
I figured thinkgeek would respond by investigating and doing the right thing. They are a very reputable online store and aren't out to screw people.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 14:57
Magnalon
@aaronf
Yes, I do. If I was in their position (a reputable company), and my source "didn't know where the Dreamcasts came from", then yes, of course I would check all of them. To inspect as little as 200 units myself would take 4 hours, which isn't even half a workday. Only inspecting a sample reminds me of The Office, where I can just imagine Roy and a few warehouse guys just checking a few things in a detailed shipment and going "they're good!" to Michael.
Danielzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 16:13
Danielzilla
@Magnalon That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of everyone knows Roy hasn't worked in the warehouse for months.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 16:22
Chronic Logic
Oh wow, ThinkGeek is on Destructoid!
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 16:26
PappaDukes
@aaronf - Diverse doesn't need a time machine. If you read the article yesterday, the anonymous tipster that got the old DC sent an email two weeks ago. The story on Dtoid was reported yesterday, not the issue.

Here is the excerpt from the Dtoid article from yesterday:

A request for a full refund has been submitted, which he hopes will cover costs of the console, shipping and handling charges; after two weeks, he's received no response from ThinkGeek.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 17:49
DinnertimeNinja
Like I said, ThinkGeek has always responded in a timely manor to anything I've sent in. I don't know why so many people here are out to crucify a company they've probably never even placed an order with or heard any bad stories about until yesterday.

Second, it makes no sense to open all of the received consoles before shipment. They are "new-in-box" Dreamcasts, not "opened and shuffled around with" Dreamcasts.

So frickin' 2 out of 200 hundred were refurbs and now ThinkGeek is the devil?

Magnalon and Diverse are just overreacting to nothing. A SINGLE email was lost (probably sent to the wrong place, actually) and this guy NEVER called them (which would have netted him a response on day one). The number isn't hard to find either. It's the first damn thing listed under the "contact us" header. This guy got his refund by contacting them through Twitter. If they responded to him through Twitter, why wouldn't they respond to an email had they received it?

ThinkGeek rocks and seemingly did nothing wrong here and they're STILL trying to make amends. Stop being dicks and actually think for a minute. Not every company is trying to screw you at every turn.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 18:29
Holyetheline
They chose good words for this explanation.
Steve Cebu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 19:14
Steve Cebu
Hey as long as they offer to replace the defective one or refund the money, that is all you can ask. Granted they should be more up on their emails since a lot of emails must go into their company daily but it sounds to me like they corrected the problem once they found out about it.
Kudos to them for that.
adwhammy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 19:16
adwhammy
If you want a refund don't send one email then complain to destructoid. That's not cool. Companies can be dicks but so can customers some times.
ParadoxSeven's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 19:23
ParadoxSeven
from what i can tell they are selling them for $99, why some of you are saying 200bucks, i don't know.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2009 20:28
DinnertimeNinja
They're saying $200 bucks because the original post said that the "anonymous poster" said he payed near $200 for it and shipping.

We don't know how he got that number but that's why people are using it.


And yes, being employed in the service industry (I'm a delivery driver), I know for a fact that there are far more CUSTOMERS that act like dicks to us and expect to be treated like royalty than there are mistakes on our end.
Itspronouncedstuffyanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/23/2009 00:50
Itspronouncedstuffyanus
I hope they get more and I'm glad that Thinkgeek owned up to it and showed that they weren't trying to F people over. Also I solved this $200 shipping problem. $99 for the console, $15 for an extra controller, $15 for an extra controller, $15 for an extra controller, $15 for an extra controller, $15 for... wait was I suppose doing math? I guess I suck as bad as the tipster at basic addition.
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