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Left 4 Dead 2 released this past week and while most people are having fun with it, there is a dedicated clan of people who are determined to convince the world that Left 4 Dead 2 is not a real game. These people, who we shall class as "f*cking idiots," have labeled Left 4 Dead 2 an expansion pack, unworthy of accolade and recognition.

These people are wrong and stupid. Left 4 Dead 2 is every bit a sequel as any other game, and trying to say otherwise is ludicrous. The arguments supporting the claim that L4D2 is an expansion remain nonsensical and reek of double standards. If you think Left 4 Dead 2 is an expansion, you are clearly very ignorant, very unintelligent, or you simply haven't played the game.

Read on as we explain why thinking Left 4 Dead 2 is an expansion makes you a f*cking idiot.

It's bigger than the first game:


First of all, I've not heard of many expansion packs that are the same size as the original game, let alone even bigger. Left 4 Dead 2 has five campaigns to match Left 4 Dead 1's four, not to mention Versus Mode in all campaigns right out of the box, Survival Mode, Scavenge Mode and Realism Mode. If, perhaps, this game were one new campaign, and maybe the extra modes, I could almost buy the accusations. The fact this game is larger than the original says "sequel" more than "expansion" to me.

Simply put, you are getting way more gameplay for your money than you got with the original game. If that's an expansion, it's a pretty bloody great one, and if you were willing to spend sixty bucks on the first game, why the hesitance over buying something significantly larger for the same amount of money? What's wrong with you? You must be a fucking idiot.

All that new content doesn't come easy:


An expansion pack uses the original game and simply dumps new content into it. Left 4 Dead 2's base game is all-new content. New levels, new characters, new voices, new music, new weapons, new enemies. All that shit doesn't just magic itself out of Gabe Newell's rosy red arsering. Left 4 Dead 2 contains way more original content than most expansions, and doesn't piggy-back off the first game like expansions are wont to do.

Left 4 Dead 2 does not expand Left 4 Dead 1. If it did, it would be an expansion. Left 4 Dead 2 is its own game. Practically everything about the game is new. Again, if Left 4 Dead 2 simply added melee weapons or new Special Infected to the original Left 4 Dead, I'd agree that it was an expansion pack. But the sheer volume of new content in an all-new set of campaigns and an all-new set of modes more than justifies the status of sequel.

Sure, Left 4 Dead 2 expands upon the idea of Left 4 Dead 1, but that's what all sequels do, you fucking idiot!

Most sequels re-use engines and assets:


One of the stupidest arguments given by those who call L4D2 an expansion is that Valve used the Source Engine again, as well as a number of original assets. If this is what makes an expansion, well we better have a mass product recall, because there are shitloads of games on store shelves right now pretending to be sequels.

Most sequels tend to stick with one engine, and a fair few of them re-use assets. If you have used this argument against Left 4 Dead 2, then surely you can't consider Gears of War 2 a sequel. Or Modern Warfare 2. Far too many games released in the same generation as its prequel could be called an expansion by this lunatic logic. If your argument against Left 4 Dead 2 is simply "DUH DUH IT USES THE SOURCE ENGINE," then by your own stupid reasoning, Left 4 Dead 1 was merely an expansion pack for Portal.

Loads of sequels re-use assets and music from their predecessors. Even when L4D2 does re-use assets, it changes them to keep things feeling fresh. The Smoker, Boomer, Hunter, Witch and Tank may be the same as they were before, but they've been re-skinned and altered so that they're unique to the new game. The music is certainly similar, but it's been touched up with a Southern flavor to fit the fresh setting. Last time I checked, expansion packs don't use a ton of fresh assets, while changing nearly all the older ones. If you've used this argument, you're obviously some sort of fucking idiot.

It feels different:


Left 4 Dead 1 introduced us to a concept. Left 4 Dead 2 took that concept and thrust it in all sorts of different directions, experimenting with the format and giving us brand new ways to interact with a familiar premise. That's pretty much what sequels are supposed to do. They don't typically reinvent the wheel, they take the same wheel and add reflectors and baseball cards. I've seen a great many "real" sequels do far less than Left 4 Dead 2 and receive no criticism at all. Left 4 Dead 2 did what sequels do. It built upon the groundwork its prequel laid. How is that the work of a mere expansion pack?

More importantly, Left 4 Dead 2 has a totally different feel and totally different experiences to Left 4 Dead 1. Each campaign has its own distinct personality, with all sorts of cool new challenges, such as fighting through a burning building, collecting gas cans to fuel an escape car, or getting to one end of a level and then fighting back through it, this time during a perilous storm that threatens to scatter your party without due care.

Even the similar gameplay elements feel different and better. The finale event at the end of Dark Carnival, fighting on the Midnight Riders' stage while pyrotechnics flare and music blasts out, automatically eclipses any finale in the first game. You can choose to disagree, but that is a choice for fucking idiots.

Valve has spoiled you:


Let's face it, these accusations are based more upon than prejudice than evidence. Left 4 Dead 2 was released a mere year after Left 4 Dead, so many of you were just looking to find fault with it, and probably made up your mind about the title's worth as a sequel before even playing the game. Despite plenty of other sequels releasing a year after the first one, you've opted to pay special attention to L4D2 for one reason -- Valve spoiled you.

You're used to Valve doing things a certain way -- taking ten years to make a sequel. If you compare Half-Life to Half-Life 2, of course the difference will be more dramatic than Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. But you know what? It's not ten years ago. It's not a time where we can have the luxury to craft games for ten years, not if we want to make money. Valve spoiled you with games that were ten years in the making, but not every game a studio does can enjoy a decade of development. It's just not reasonable to expect it.

Of course, it's hard to expect many gamers to be reasonable or realistic. It's often more sensible to expect them to be fucking idiots.

Even if it WAS an expansion, it's worth the money:


If Left 4 Dead 2's an expansion, I'd consider it a compliment more than anything, because that's one damn good expansion. With all the aforementioned new content, you can argue the semantics of what this game is all you want. At the end of the day, it delivers $60 worth of playability. More content than the first game, plus an even more balanced and varied multiplayer to keep gamers playing? Yeah, that's worth full retail price any day of the week.

Whether you want to call it an expansion or not doesn't matter. The game stands alone and justifies its existence for anybody not too stubborn to get into it.

It's called Left 4 Dead 2, IDIOT:


Seriously. Sequels have "2" in the title.

Fucking idiot.








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MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:03
MrSadistic
yeah, idiots
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:05
dj-anon
Were the lag problems solved? I'm thinking about renting this.
reindall's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:06
reindall
But it also has a 4 in the title... so is it a sequel sequel sequel?
Mr Squish's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:07
Mr Squish
truth.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:07
Magesx
Not all sequels have "2" in the title, therefore this post is invalid and Left 4 Dead 2 is an expansion confirmed.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:08
Strandli
They could have finished the game this September, and delayed it for an extra year without making any further development, and people wouldn't notice it. The same people would have fucking loved it, every single one.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:09
necrozen
I was one of the skeptical folks. Broke down and bought it yesterday. I'm glad I did. It's a great game that certainly stands on its own.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:09
Naim Master
And even the old Special Infected play completely different, the Smoker has a way smaller range but fire quickly, the annoying job now is for the Charger, while the Hunter does way more damage now, the Tank's behavior is completely different from the first one...

I couldn't agree more with you, now, if only there wasn't Rochelle...
DJP3DRO's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:10
DJP3DRO
Jim Sterling still can't stop bitching about a group of people he himself deemed not worthy of attention so he can look smart: confirmed.
Kflame210's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:10
Kflame210
Think Destructoid overrated L4D2? Your a f*cking genius.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:12
Monodi
It actually makes the first Left 4 Dead look like a beta.
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:13
Krow
@Kflame210
And can't spell, evidently.

I honestly have nothing more to say, the front page is hardly the kind of place I'd ever consider contributing to, outside of in and out sarcastic assery.

Good day, gentlemen.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:13
Naim Master
@dj anon
If you remotely liked the first one, get this one ASAP...
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:14
Strandli
Also, Valve is one of the greatest developers of this century, they deserve nothing but praise from us gamers, especially when facing the evil riot that is Activision.

Instead they should think of this as another gift from Valve. Not making an expansion cost like a full game (*cough*ODST), but instead making the fans only wait one year for the sequel, when the normal waiting time is 2+ years.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:15
Naim Master
Monodi is right, Kflame obviously didn't buy L4D2 and is pissed at it.
dwolfwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:15
dwolfwood
Left 4 Dead 1 was merely an expansion pack for Portal.
This.

J/k I can't believe people are still angry over this.

p.s.

...doesn't piggy-back off the first game like expansions are wont to do.

I'm not British, but could you please explain to me the importance/meaning of the above 3 words? I wanna use that in the future cause it sounds smart.
levkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:16
levkar
i should've gotten this over dragon age. at least this game wouldn't crash every 20 minutes.
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:16
Maniac
Hurray for double standards!
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:18
nukka jdav
I agree in every way. The game feels and plays different. The melee weapons, new infected, and new finales change the way you play completely.

I do feel the shorter development cycle gave them less time to balance the game. I'm not alone when I say it is significantly harder in an annoying way. Hopefully a few patches here and there fix that. Otherwise, huzzah 'n stuff.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:19
mistic
I realy don't get why so many people are bitching about L4D2...

from what I hear its a really decent stand-alone game...

About the timing, 1 year might not seem like a lot, but there's a fuckton of series that relase a 'new' version every year and don't get any shit for it... ( hello sportsgames, cod, nfs etc etc )

get it and play it or stfu!
Wyldcard's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:19
Wyldcard
Writing an article about it in a sense proves the argument true because it hit so close to home you feel threatened by it. Face it, it's an half assed money making sequel that doesn't really stick it's head above "expansion status". Face it, it's just more levels and different skins for the monsters and players, plus a handful of new effects and abilities. The rest is the same.
AlLeBlanc's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:20
AlLeBlanc
bravo3
JTHomeslice's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:21
JTHomeslice
Yes. That's all I have to say.
AfroWalrus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:21
AfroWalrus
"Are wont to" = will tend to.
Ex: pigs are wont to roll around in mud.

Left 4 Dead 2 is definitely a sequel because it runs even less well on my laptop than the first.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:22
Monodi
GoldenEye 007 was nothing but an expansion of Doom.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:22
nukka jdav
@wyldcard

And Gears of War II is not a "reskin" how?
travesti's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:23
travesti
....could some1 take a close look at the spitters mouth..or thought thereafter...just thought I'd point that out
that1dude24's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:24
that1dude24
@Wyldcard
Face it, it's just like any other fucking sequel ever made.
andycadaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:26
andycadaver
Fucking idiots. I'm gonna play that shit right now. Those fucking idiots don't know what they're missing. And what they're missing just happens to be "Ehhhhhhill-iss!" and all of his amazingly amusing stories about his buddy Keith. Oh, and Coach being such a cool, loud strong guy and Nick being a dick. And Rochelle's horribly cheesy sayings like "son of a bee sting."
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:26
MrSadistic
@Monodi

Uncharted 1 and 2 were just overpriced DLC for Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness.
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:29
Tarvu
Halo 3 ODST may technically be an expansion, but damn it certainly stands by itself as a decent game. And so does Left 4 Dead 2.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:31
Blasto
<3 <3 <3
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:32
Darren Nakamura
I was going to make your second-to-last point, but then you made it. Seriously, who cares if it's a sequel or an expansion? That's not even relevant. What matters is that it is a thing you can pay $50-$60 for, and it is totally worth that money.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:34
Los255
O RLY?
BlackSymbiote's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:34
BlackSymbiote
Love it
ohno's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:34
ohno
I have two problems with L4D2 (though they're not really problems with the game itself): the fact I spent $50 on the first game, and that I'm skeptical that I won't be playing L4D2 after I've gone through most of the content. The first reason is out of spite, really - the first game was good, but only that - good. It took me 5 1/2 hours to experience most of what the game had to offer and now I'll probably never come back to it. I didn't feel I got my $50 worth and I was let down.

And I'm assuming L4D2 won't be any different, just now it'll take me a more than 5 1/2 hours to experience the new content. Yeah, I'd get a much better game for my money now, but that just makes me wish I didn't buy the first game at all. Maybe these games aren't for me? I don't know.

Anyway. What I do know is that Jim is right and anyone claiming that L4D2 is an expansion is, in fact, an idiot. Even by playing the demo I can tell it's a game that has evolved and surpassed its' predecessor in several ways. Don't be mad at the video games or the developers who make them. They didn't do anything wrong.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:34
grafkhun
So it's a sequexpansion?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:35
Jim Sterling
"Writing an article about it in a sense proves the argument true because it hit so close to home you feel threatened by it."

Brilliant logic there. You're right, anybody who has ever argued a point proved themselves wrong because threatened.

I feel totally threatened by people who dislike Valve. I fear for my life, in fact.
TheNakedAnt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:37
TheNakedAnt
I hate L4D2..
eskimo bob's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:38
eskimo bob
@Monodi

and Doom was nothing but a reskin of Halo. seriously, way to rip someone off, id.
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:38
Bioautographical
@dwolfwood

"Am/is/are/was/were wont to do" isn't a British-ism. It's quite simple to use; where one would say something like "Bored, I sat down with a good book, *as is common for me*", you could say, "Bored, I sat down with a good book, as I am wont to do."

Thus concludes grammar Nazism for today.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:42
Wexx
I can has episode 3?
niftynugget's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:43
niftynugget
@ Naked Ant
That may be so , but I fucking love your avatar.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:43
CaptainApocalypse
Atlas is Fontaine.
Slowey's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:44
Slowey
"Left 4 Dead 2 is simply "DUH DUH IT USES THE SOURCE ENGINE," then by your own stupid reasoning, Left 4 Dead 1 was merely an expansion pack for Portal."
"
Perfect Point. I have heard from some of my more "naive friends" say its just an expansion cause they just reuse and reskin L4D and I told them the same thing.
whateverthismeanstoyou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:51
whateverthismeanstoyou
demo lag was horrendous and couldn't play with other people too well.

Also felt that the first one was already an underachiever with less contents so this still does not make any different to me. The game still sounds like for the multipler or multiplayer co-ops wiht very short and simple single player mode. That, at least to me, fails for me as a 59.99 title. Thanks got I do have the gamefly.
Threaded's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:53
Threaded
I can agree with this. I'm still skeptical about how Valve takes forever and ever to make things, and this pops up in a year. Just feels a bit odd.

Or maybe they have quickened their pace and HL3 will be out next year.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:55
Everyday Legend
I just made a similar rant on my cblog about SSF4.
Idiots, indeed.
QJD's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:55
QJD
The header pic scares me!
DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2009 16:56
DustyBlue
Well said, Jim. You're totally right. But I still think Left 4 Dead 2 is a rehash. Try to convince me otherwise. By the way, I have good reasons for thinking that myself.
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