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There IS a Zelda timeline, Skyward Sword predates Ocarina photo

If you want to hear a Zelda fan talk for hours and hours about something nobody gives a crap about, bring up the idea of a Zelda timeline. There is so much debate as to whether all the Legend of Zelda games exist in the same universe that you'd be dead before you read it all.

That said, Skyward Sword producer Eiji Aonuma has actually come out to definitively say that a timeline exists. Wait a minute ... hasn't Nintendo repeatedly denied that one exists?

"Yes there is a master timeline but its confidential document," the producer tells Official Nintendo Magazine. "The only people to have access to that document are myself, Mr. Miyamoto and the director of the title. We can't share it with anyone else!

"I have already talked to Mr. Miyamoto about this so I am comfortable in releasing this information -- this title [Skyward Sword] takes place before Ocarina of Time. If I said that a certain title was ‘the first Zelda game’, then that means that we can't ever make a title that takes place before that! So for us to add titles to the series, we have to have a way of putting the titles before or after each other."

Well, that was nice and vague. Still, the debate has finally been lain to rest. The Legend of Zelda has a timeline ... at least until the next Nintendo executive comes along to say that it doesn't!

Skyward Sword Before Ocarina of Time in Zelda Timeline [Zelda Dungeon]








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Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:09
Corduroy Turtle
This timeline is moot.
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:09
llort het
I officially hate eiji aounuma. Here come a wave of timeline theories from the same people that recolour sonic characters that they adopt as their fursona.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:10
Los255
Really? A secret document? One day they'll release it.
drzero3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:10
drzero3
Yanno I'm just gonna say it!.
The real problem is all Zelda games are the same but with updated visuals.

Cept Wind Waker.
drzero3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:11
drzero3
Btw Jim, this is bias!
GoodGuyA's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:11
GoodGuyA
So fans construct try and logical timeline, Nintendo says there is none, fans rage and continue, then they pull a timeline from their arse. I actually really like the theories put into some of these gamer's minds about it but Nintendo sure likes giving us the run-around. So after Minish Cap I guess?
Harris Hatsworth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:14
Harris Hatsworth
Sounds like trolling.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:16
Jonathan Holmes
@ Bigmoose- Agreed. Skyward Sword was fun though. The level of precision the game's controls provide is pretty great. It doesn't rely just on it's "Zelda-ness", which is something you can't say for all the 3D Zeldas.

As to the question behind a Zelda timeline, Corduroy Turtle (and Jesse Jackson) said it best.
drzero3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:17
drzero3
^sounds like RAGE!
Winged Kirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:18
Winged Kirby
BUT BUT BUT

Well here goes another argument about the timeline about to start

RELEASE THE DOCUMENT NINTENDO
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:20
Monodi
I might check it out once I also get in time of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess
d3v's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:20
d3v
Actually, I believe that Aonuma has hinted at an official timeline several times in he past. The most notable being when he confirmed the split timeline theory by stating that Wind Waker happened in the timeline that Link left behind when he was sent back to he past in OOT.
milo128's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:21
milo128
It was sort of obvious if you payed attention. The most obvious example is where the master sword is located. In Orcarina Of Time its in the temple of time, then in Twilight princess its in the decayed version of the temple of time and a forest has grown around it. Then in A link to the past the master sword is in a full forest with only a pedestal and a bunch of animals near it. Theres also the alternative oot storyline that in the universe where link disappeared and ganondorf took over (OOT created two seperate timelines) and that created the wind waker universe. Also Minish cap and four swords were first since it showed the master sword being created and it getting magic powers. Theres more games but just explaining it further will melt my brain.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:21
king kong five
I love when game designers make up stuff about "secret documents" like they're special fucking agents. And everyone believes it!
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:21
free touch
I think its pretty obvious Minish Cap is the first game in the series.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:22
Los255
You know, it will eventually begin and end with those CD-i games.

I wonder if they're included?
kbknigon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:23
kbknigon
New mission for Nintendo fans: Break into Nintendo HQ, steal said document, upload to internetz.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:24
KingSigy
That's just a way to cover their ass so they can continue to make prequels.
KanzlerMartok's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:26
KanzlerMartok
to all the hater:

2 Words: Flying Beetle
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:27
Jonathan Holmes
@ KanzlerMartok- Yeah, that flying beetle was pretty rad. It was like they got some Pilotwings in my Zeldas.
Strife381's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:30
Strife381
@milo128 NO stop it! Don't make zelda complex. It's fun and simple. Like sex with a sister.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:33
GohanGVO
"Wait a minute ... hasn't Nintendo repeatedly denied that one exists?"

But can a random Nintendo employee who works the e-mail station supersede the man currently overseeing the franchise? It would seem to me that Aonuma's admission holds infinitely more weight than Joe Mario.
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:35
Drakengard
Does a timeline even matter though?
pneuma08's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:38
pneuma08
It is entirely possible to create something where none existed or was intended before. So, yeah, this is a case of that. There is no timeline, so they made one, or are making one. The end.

I don't know why people insist on looking so deeply into things.
OmegaPlatinum's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:38
OmegaPlatinum
They've said this before in Nintendo Power a few years ago.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:38
SWE3tMadness
Eh, I never really cared much about the timeline other than an interesting thought experiment. Whether it's canon or not, or where the latest addition fits in won't affect how I view the game once its released. :\

Actually, the best explanation of the series I've heard so far is the Literary Agent Hypothesis: all the games represent the same story being retold in a different fashion each time. Sort of how myths and legends from oral tradition will change and incorporate different characters and events depending on who's telling it. I personally think it makes far more sense than shoehorning the games into an actual timeline of causality.
Waquan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:43
Waquan
While a enjoyed Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 3, I personally felt A Link to the Past was a major letdown.
Nightsama's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:56
Nightsama
I call bullshit. Maybe my definition of 'secret' is different from his, but calling attention to the existence of a secret document [url=rtsp://v3.cache2.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQn8iMYi-CG1cBMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBWluZGV4YKfHjZTl6t-ITAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp]kind of defeats the purpose of it being secret[/url]. This just sounds like a case of CYA.
zhadoba's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:57
zhadoba
The big "N" is just full of surprises. Now I don't know if I want just a glance at the secret tineline doc or the the KFC recipe
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 22:57
Oishidesu
Aren't Wind Waker, The Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks in the same timeline? Tetra was in Wind Waker, The Phantom Hourglass was a sequel a to Wind Waker because Tetra was there and in the opening intro, it showed what happened in Wind Waker. In one review of Spirit Tracks *I forget which one*, they said Spirit Tracks happens a 100 years after Phantom Hourglass.
AshxMFxKetchum's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:01
AshxMFxKetchum
To everyone saying the timeline is moot - you clearly don't have a passion for the series and the story it tells... so why fucking comment?

The timeline matters - on top of that, it's extremely interesting to read about and study. I can't fucking stand people who come in to threads just to say that shit. If it doesn't matter to you, don't click the story, and fuck off. To those of us who do care, this is awesome. If this tells the true origins of what we've been playing for 20+ years, I can't wait to learn it.
Nightsama's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:02
Nightsama
God linking to youtube on a mobile is all kinds of fail.
Explosion2's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:05
Explosion2
I really don't think it matters to me. Super Mario Galaxy 2 took place in an alternate universe right? it was still fun (I still haven't finished it though, started getting into zelda for the first time! SO GOOD).

if there's no timeline, don't you think it would be easier on the developers in the future? Having an alternate universe where things never happened or happened differently could open up all sorts of possibilities.
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:07
idrawrobots
Wind Weaker even references events in ocarina and link to the past. My favorite Zelda.
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:13
llort het
Anyways it's pretty obvious the whole series has been a dream
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:18
pedrovay2003
Of course there's a timeline, with all the throwbacks to older games (was it just me, or didn't Twilight Princess seem like a 3D Link to the Past?). Whether or not it needs to be known to enjoy the games is what people need to stop bickering about.
AshxMFxKetchum's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:20
AshxMFxKetchum
TP is NOT a 3D Link to the Past. TP is soulless. It's a fantastic game, but not a great one in the Zelda series. Even Aunoma admits it's too much like Ocarina.
EroThraX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:23
EroThraX
Still going on about this. Pretty much every year Eiji and Miyamoto confirm that the timeline is written down and secured yet people continue to ignore them. This shouldn't even be news because they have repeated it so many Danny times.
EroThraX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:24
EroThraX
*damn times
MigueTK's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:31
MigueTK
haha ima watch the avgn timeline interpretation, you should too!
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:32
llort het
I'm sure that they have had a grand sweeping tale planned out from the beginning of the series and every new Zelda game is a scheduled chapter in their timeline. I can't wait until the next game has hyrule is underground because nintendo has a new digging gimmick or something to incorporate, and they try to shoehorn that into hyrules decidedly convoluted history.

If they actually have a time line planned out, that's cool, but most likely they are making shit up as they go.
MrJoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:40
MrJoe
While I've never been very interested in timeline theories in particular, I always encourage such speculation to be held. There's obvious evidence that the games have some sort of canon, and if the developers put such evidence in the game purposefully and we simply ignore it I'd say it's effort wasted. Being able to imagine the complexity of each game's relation to others can add enjoyment and depth to the experience and perhaps promote multiple playthroughs. On an added note, Nintendo confirmed the existence of a timeline long before this. As mentioned by d3v, the split timeline was spoken of as early as 2006.

Also, 3D did wonders for Zelda. All home-console installments post-Ocarina have wonderful cinematic atmosphere that you just don't get in something like LttP. Not saying LttP is a bad game, but it seems very, erm, 'flat' compared to games like Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/21/2010 23:51
Electrium
The timeline could be simplified SOOO much if every hero ever born wasn't named Link.

Personally, I don't follow it. In situations like Ocarina of Time --> Majora's Mask, I care, because it's clearly the same dude in the same world. But trying to link A Link to the Past to Wind Waker to Phantom Hourglass? It's so hard! Kudos to the people that get a buzz from that kind of thing, though.
vecha's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:00
vecha
A timeline? For the Zelda Games?

Yeah...I call bullshit...
gmkah's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:19
gmkah
sounds like he was kidding.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:30
Neroisonfire
that's horseshit. miyamoto said way back in an interview i read in egm that OoT was the first zelda game chronologically. when did he retract that statement? if not, then who's the bag of horseshit falling upon?
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:35
Aurain
He retracted that statement when he made a prequel.

Like Kojima and Metal Gear 1.
PhunkyPhazon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:45
PhunkyPhazon
It was already said weeks ago that Skyward Sword was going to delve into the origins of the Master Sword, so I'm afraid this isn't exactly something new. This "secret list" has also been brought up many times in interviews so...yeah.
EroThraX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:52
EroThraX
Having a time line written down doesn't mean they can't edit it or add too it. Presuming that when Miyamoto said that PoT would have been the first chronologically.
EroThraX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 00:54
EroThraX
* I meant OoT.
Really need an edit function, this is horrible on a phone.
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