Wow your opinion of Jim is apparently almost as low as my opinion of you. Almost.

And good graphics does not make a good game, just like non-HD graphics dont make a bad game. In fact, past a certain point, graphics arent that important. Unless you have a fantastic design and are building a magnificent atmosphere with your graphics (which Galaxy and Metroid managed to do quite well on the Wii thank you very much) they dont impact too heavily on reasonable peoples ultimate enjoyment of a game.

Wii isn't old you are wrong btw. And i didn't hear 'Mark' shit on the Wii.

"Metroid, along with games I shove under that same rug (Mega Man) don't interest me much either. "

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, are you saying Mega Man and Metroid are similar? Have you ever played any Mega Man games? I could give a shit about the Wii, but insulting Mega Man is just a step too far.

No clockwork. A system that improves technically on the entire previous generation, while running more efficiently, with far fewer technical issues than competitors, at a very low price point, and with innovative motion controls. These are FACTS, that describe a console that is not a 'piece of junk.' (i was kidding about you being missed, you obviously missed my smiley, you seem reasonable)

Also, i know you wrote IMO, but describing only very few games as decent (not even good, only decent, a very meager description) because you 'dont care' for others is a little silly.

Cubilone's comment was fantastic, and got lost in the Fanboy Swamp. I saw it though Cubilone. Well said.

Also,

Killas2:

No, your comments simply stood out.

@ BigKev

Improving on the technology of previous generations...?

I heartily disagree. The "innovative" motion controls aren't all that awesome. A lot of the games seem clunky and unprecise when used with the Wiimote. 90% of my friends who come to play my Wii prefer using other controllers when those controllers are an option.

The system itself, hardware wise, is weaker than even the PS2 and Xbox. Graphics are weaker (yes, yes, I realize graphics don't make a game, I love the old school Final Fantasies), it can't have as many moving objects on the screen at one time as the other systems and the games themselves don't have the opportunity to be as LARGE as they are on other systems.

The only thing I can spot that enables the Wii to even deserve standing in the shadows of true next-gen systems is WiFi (which is great, but how can I comment on it when I don't particularly care about it?) and its motion controller... which uh. I can't stand the thought of playing BioShock with a Wiimote.

Michelangelo did it.

I disagree that its weaker than the PS2 and the Xbox. I dont have it on me, but i used to have a detailed write-up of how the Wii was probably more accurately described as around 2 times as powerful as an XBox. And do you really think the Brawl disk holds less than an Xbox disk?

And i think Bioshock would be great with a Wiimote if someone wanted to make it. If you'd played Metroid you would realise just how viable a good FPS is on the Wii.

Also, the system doesnt produce clunky controls, poorly made games do. In GOOD games, ive had no problems with the controls.

@killias

Just from when I was younger, I guess. Mega Man and Metroid were both side-scrolling shooter thingies. I remember being entertained, but always going back to classics like Final Fantasy and Zelda. What more can I say? *Shrug.*

Want to guess what my favorite system is? ZOMG curveball! The SNES roxx my soxx. I currently own a GBA, DS, SNES and N64. I just happen to think the Wii isn't nearly worth all the hype it gets. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it really is genuine love for Nintendo and the need to justify the purchase that makes people so defensive of the Wii.

It's a party system built for party games. I don't want to spend 250 dollars on a party game.

Besides, the zombie-rocker in Guitar Hero III for the Wii is inexcusable and an example that graphics CAN potentially break a game, especially if it's obvious that they were -trying- to make it look good.

Oh- and you're a fanboy and your mother's a cunt. ;)

lol Take it easy guys, been nice debating this stuff but I've got to head out. Leave lots of interesting stuff for me to read when I get back!

"If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it really is genuine love for Nintendo and the need to justify the purchase that makes people so defensive of the Wii. "

Not really. I have a Wii because it fills some niches in my library: 1. Sure, it's "casual," but Wii Sports and Wario Ware and Mario Party 8 are lots of fun with a group of friends. 2. I didn't own a Gamecube. Oops, I guess I'm not such a Nintendo fanboy. I owned a PS2, and I figured this was a great chance to explore the Gamecube. 3. There are lots of great "hardcore" games that I can get for the Wii that I just can't get elsewhere. Super Paper Mario, Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Super Smash Bros Brawl, No More Heroes, Mario Kart Wii, etc.

All of this for a measly 250 dollar investment. I already have a gaming PC, so there are only a couple of PS360 games I am interested in that I can't get. Heck, honestly, only Ninja Gaiden 2 really begs to be played now, and I'm still hoping Resident Evil 5 comes out for the PC. Not that there aren't other good PS3 or 360 exclusives, but there aren't any others that I am interested in. I have Metal Gear Solid for the PSOne, but never got more than halfway. I never bought any of the GTA3's because they just weren't my dig. PC has plenty of great FPS's, so I don't really give a damn about Halo.

That's why I own a Wii. I'm not an obsessive Nintendo fanboy. I owned a PSOne and a PS2. The PS3 is just too expensive, and it doesn't have enough exclusive games for ME to justify the price-tag. You might be different. That's cool. Have fun with it.

It's been a long time since I've read an entertaining flamewar.

Anywho, I love my Wii. I have plenty of good times with it. I don't really like Epic games. This doesn't affect me.

But... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGLE

Yeah and you know what, half life 2 was shit.

so there

bitchez

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Xboxwii603SP Lite for life dawg!!


Just fucking grow up you puerile wastes of skin. You should crawl into a corner and fucking die in puddle of your own piss, shit and semen if you honestly give a damn about what another person thinks of your beloved console. You are worthless, a waste of a soul.You've been given a life, the ability to think, reason, form abstract thoughts. To love, to feel joy and sadness and what have you done with this incredible, inconceivable gift? You've started a fucking flamewar on a website about what you're favourite video game is. The only thing that disgusts me more than what has gone on here is that i've wasted the 5 minutes it's taken to type this out on chastising you. Fuck it, i'm committed now. Anyone who has seriously taken offence at what was said about their games system of choice is an ignorant, pig fucking son of an incestuous rape encounter. I am offended by the sheer fact that i evolved from the same primordial ooze as these people. The possibility that somewhere in a past age of man there may be a blood relation between myself and these people is in itself enough to justify hurling myself in front of a train.


This thread sickens me, and has single handedly caused me to lose faith in god, humanity and slap-bass playing abilities of les claypool all at the same time.


Happy now? Are ya? You sick cunts.

Guys I heard that only subhuman chimps like the Wii! Pass it on ...

"Just fucking grow up you puerile wastes of skin. You should crawl into a corner and fucking die in puddle of your own piss, shit and semen if you honestly give a damn about what another person thinks of your beloved console. "

Wow, bitching about people bitching about people bitching. I think you just broke the internet.

"Well Epic.

You've said this about three times now.

Please.

Go back to working on Gears 2."

Thank you, Daxelman.

Talk about strong reactions, what was the dictionaries explanation of fanboy again?

Anyway without having read the slaps of text. Has anyone thought that it might not be soly the graphics that he means?

Epic makes manly futuristic online shooters. Can you imagine 32 player online on a Wii? Ya lets all enter our 32 digit code every 5 minutes to start a game. It will take years before you get a game running between two of your mates let alone 32 people!

I have a Wii, I like it, dare I say it I even like Sports. But it's clear that an top graphics online shooter isn't doable on the Wii. Epic could make something like MP though, but then again single player isn't really Epic's strong point.

@Dexter:

Because Dickhead Of All Trades decided to open his mouth and use the thread as a podium for some Wii bashing.

After all, real gamers wouldn't dare use a Wii, would they? (...as I look at my collection that includes No More Heroes, Okami, Need for Speed: Carbon, and Zak and Wiki)

People like that are the reason why we need "Block user" function. I don't mind people who don't like the Wii for whatever reason and are at least civil about it, but Dickhead of All Trades goes way beyond that.

Oh, by the way, I also own a PS3. I still play the Wii more.

@crunshi

Nintendo did not lose money on the Gamecube or the N64. They made money.

In the over 20 years that Nintendo has been in the console business, they have only lost money in 1 quarter.

@lubczyk

Yeah, the N64 was a massive success- but I had thought that in comparison to other consoles, the GameCube was something of a letdown. I was under the impression that once the initial "zomg new Nintendo console" wore off, it just sortof flopped.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nex's comments vaguely resemble mine. I win!

yo console so fat

Holy hell thats a lot of angry commenting. Can't Wii all get along? Har har har...

Epic doesn't want to make games for the Wii. The Wii prints money, so no loss to Nintendo.

What the hell were the last 9000 comments about then...?