No support from Clifford Blezinski = Doomed system. Bye Wii, see you in last place.

These guys make a decent lowest common denominator game, but this guy seems to run his mouth about the Wii a lot.

Why would he want too? He wants to PUSH TECHNOLOGY not hold it back. You guys that purchased the Wii need to wake up.

nerpin

"These guys make a decent lowest common denominator game"

lol, I thought the lowest common denominator game was mini-games. Well, I guess your statement can't be true since Epic will never make a cheap ass Wii game. Sorry pal. Buy a better system, you Nintendo bed buddy.

steven

Don't get me started. Jim knows I wont stop till all of you are pissed off and he has 100 comments lol.


"Like the Xbox360 with it's...
built in wifi, wait....
standard internal storage, nope...
motion controls, ugh...
inferred camera for pointer input, crap..."

Dude! Your Wii doesn't even have a DVD player. It doesn't even have a eternet port. Its motion controls hinder gameplay to the point you want to sell the console.

BigKev

Thats what this thread is meant for....

What he says makes sense, the Wii is not powerhouse. Its just a shame he wont consider making a game for it. Its a console that is lacking real innovation for big games and it seems that is something that he could help push in the right direction.

Maybe they could be the first developer to take hold and really push what the Wii is capable of. Its not like every Wii game HAS to have motion controls. No More Heroes used it very sparingly.

Oh shit! Mark Rein making a dumb ass comment?

That's never happened before.

No Jack, its apparently all that you are good for though. This biased shit is what's hurting the games industry. If you react like a complete douche, you are forcing companies to choose between trying to please the hardcore crowd who will turn on a developer at a moments notice and hate on a game for being too mainstream, or the 'casuals' who dont give a shit and are ones who really just want to STFUAJPG.

When people like YOU stop turning the games market into a mire of combative idiocy, the better off everyone will be. Hating on alternatives does nothing but show off the massive phallus on your forehead.

BigKev

Give me a break lol. What fucked up world do you live in? Im not forcing developers and companies to choose sides. Developers know that strongly made games that push the envelope on graphics and gameplay sell well. Look at Cod4. I praise developers for not taking the easy route and making cheap ass stupid games the belong on cell phones.


I think its fucking stupid of you to want a shallow game industry that doesn't push technology.

I'd put money down on the theory that most people that bought a Wii, don't want any of Epic's games to being with. So whats the big deal here?

The Wii controls aren't tight enough and the graphics aren't good enough. Some developers just don't belong on the Wii. They're one of those.

God you are a dipshit. Your bias knows no bounds apparently. Why is the focus on graphics, huh? And when did i say i wanted a shallow industry. Get this through your skull, I WANT AN INCLUSIVE INDUSTRY!! You think the only people who buy CoD4 are the people who post on Dtoid and the like. No, dipshit, it has mainstream appeal, especially because its well made. But technicality is not a reason to push a game, and its not a reason most people buy games. Focusing on graphics is fucking stupid from a consumer standpoint, BECAUSE YOUR NOT FUCKING PLAYING THE GRAPHICS YOU TARD, and because forcing production costs higher faster than they should be hurts everybody. We get either, a) higher production costs, meaning higher prices for consumers and less profits for producers, which means b) lazier production, leading to bullshit shovelware and the like.

My point is, you being a complete fucktard about the options that game companies have in front of them (and in a second i will point out why the Wii which you so subtly refer to is not inferior) is only going to paint hardcore gamers as an unreliable market. If the choice is hardcore gamers who seemingly assume the fetal position at the sight of non-720p vision, or the apparently more 'casuals' who are happy with a fulfilling gaming experience that doesnt cost bucketloads to produce, who exactly do you think they will choose?

AND ANYWAY, the Wii is:
- Absolutely more powerful than last generation, it is more efficient, and to call it a step backwards, even neglecting motion controls, is ridiculous, because it is clear that the PS3 and to a lesser extent the 360 overstepped the technological improvements this generation.
-The motion controls are also very impressive (something Sony apparently couldn't manage) and can provide amazingly immersive gameplay possibilities. I know Metroid Prime 3 proves that point.
- Some minigame-based games (a genre which you seem deride past the point of mental health) are very fun, very innovative and do not require obscene budgets to be a sucess(Wii Sports and Boom Blox are fantastic games, with impressive control schemes/physics engines that manage to focus on engaging the user, and if you think otherwise, you ARE WRONG)

I have no problem with Mark Rein's point of view, he can paint on whatever canvas he wants. But we as the knowledgable gamers should be trying to be just that, knowledgable. Fair assesment, without bias, and without idiotic infighting. You tell Wii owners to "stop being a Nintendo bed buddy," because your bias can't accept that, maybe, there are other ways of enjoying games than yours. You attack us who own and love our Wii's (i know, DICK JOKE) as holding back the game industry, but the truth is YOU are holding back the game industry. CoD4 wasn't made with you in mind, it's designed well, for everyone to enjoy. No, games which ignore actually being fulfilling to appeal to the graphics obsessed pants-on-head (thanks Yahtzee) retarded hardcores like the acres of Halo and Gears clones on the 360 and PS3 that forget about actually being fun and instead get all gloomy while forgetting to actually write a decent story and some innovative gameplay, thats what your ramblings and the ramblings of everyone like you represent us to be to the gaming industry, and its fucking stupid. Just fuck right off.

If he wants to push technology why don't he create games exclusively on the PC, since PCs shit all over the 360 and PS3 horsepower wise?

Ugh, more fodder for the PS360 fanboys. Go ahead. Feel better about yourselves. Don't worry about the fact that the Wii is absolutely whooping your console's sales figures. Just keep whoring up the graphics and rubbing your nipples.

"OMG THE LIGHTING IS SO REAL! THIS GAME MUST BE FUN AND INNOVATIVE!"

The Stripe

Awww poor babies. Did I hit a nerve? You guys are pathetic. Look I sold the Wii. Motion controls are sloppy. Nintendo is holding back technology within its own division so they can make a quick buck without working too hard.

How deep does Nintendo fuck you?

BigKev

Calm down you little sissy.

"You think the only people who buy CoD4 are the people who post on Dtoid and the like. No, dipshit, it has mainstream appeal, especially because its well made."

I sure don't see any grandmas playing it asshole. Your definition of mainstream is fucking twisted.

"Focusing on graphics is fucking stupid from a consumer standpoint, BECAUSE YOUR NOT FUCKING PLAYING THE GRAPHICS YOU TARD, and because forcing production costs higher faster than they should be hurts everybody."

Ohh I only pay 10 bucks more than you and I get 1000x more content. Shut the hell up. Also, graphics help define the gameplay you little dick. I bet you think a game is good because it has bad graphics. Wow, your so cool!

"Also, graphics help define the gameplay you little dick."

Epic Fail.

killas2

You guys only like the Wii because its in the spotlight right now. You must like riding on the bandwagon. You guys remind me of Dallas Cowboy fans.

Ohhhhh WoW!! The Wii has sold more than the PS3 & 360. That must make it so much better! I think you guys are sourpusses becuase the Wii is a horrible gaming platform.

This is your guys frame of mind.

Good Graphics = Bad Game
Bad Graphics = Good Game

What ever makes you feel better....I guess.

The Stripe

Good graphics are the devil. We should have stayed in the 8 bit era and never pushed the limits.

The only reason why we still like those old games is because of nastagia. If you made an eight year old thats been raised off of the xbox, PS2, PS3 & 360 generations he would say those games sucked.

Doesn't it suck to get old?

"Your just as bad as the so called "PS360 fanboys". Get the fuck over yourself and read the fucking article before commenting."

Yes, you have a fantastic grasp on the English language. That is clearly the form of "your" you were going for.

Also, I was mostly replying to all the Wii-bashing crap in this thread. I could really care one way or another about Epic. Regardless, I think any developer that ignores the highest-selling platform is making a mistake, but it's not really a big issue for me.

Okay, my definition of mainstream is odd. Im not quite sure how GRANDMA's are the definition of a mainstream gaming audience. Id be much more likely to define it as males aged 15-25, but thats just me. And im pretty sure CoD4 sells pretty well there?

Where did i say that i like bad graphics? Where did ANYONE SAY THAT??? What i said was, and read more carefully this time, graphics being a primary reason behind purchasing a game only leads to worse games. Graphics is NOT a part of gameplay, and to say so is literally one of the most ass-backwards things i have ever heard. And 1000x the content, don't make me laugh.

It sounds more to me like you feel the need to justify your decision to sell the Wii more than anything, and frankly Destructoid would be a better place if people like you could be banned for utter stupidity.

"I only bash the Wii in Wii bashing threads. If you go read some of the other posts today there isn't one with a Wii bashing word in it. Don't be sensitive. I love you."

haha, aww, thanks Jack. That means a lot to me.

If Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson can fight Global Climate Change together, maybe PS360 fans and Wiitards can fight graphic whoring and the flood of casually marketed minigame collections together. If only....

Clockwork, you seem fair. Though you have neglected some great games in your list. Galaxy and Metroid 3 were both incredible experiences, and Metroid in particular made great use of the Wiimote. Twilight Princess is pretty great too, and there are alot of other games that are at least decent if not better.

Calling the Wii a pile of junk makes you biased though, when it pretty clearly isn't, and its success has been to more than just appealing to the normal fanbase :P

Now Jack, Epic saying they dont want to produce for the Wii does not make this a "Wii Bashing Thread". You saying as such is exactly my point. What Rein said was reasonable, and with merit. Some of us, wanting to live up to our title as knowledgable video game consumers would like to have reasonable discussion (punctuated with cock jokes) without turning things into a fanboyish flame war.

You don't apparently. Good for you. Fuck off.

BigKev

Anything that Jim posts is a Wii bashing article. Get use to it or go to Joystiq where Wiifanboy's are respected. Mark doesn't want to dumb down production and use an old game engine to produce waggle games.

Get an avatar.