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Don't get me wrong, I like the VGAs.
It's undeniably fun to see the creators of some of your favorite videogames on TV looking uncomfortable with Kiefer Sutherland and Doogie Howser. It's also undeniably interesting to watch celebrities talk about videogames. Some clearly love the medium, and others are just faking it, but either way, it's satisfying to watch them try. Oh, and I guess the actual awards are interesting, too, but... not really. For the seven years the show has been on, the year that more than two games that I actually liked won something was in 2005. The VGAs just don't reflect my taste in games.
That's fine. For something to gain my respect, it doesn't have to be tailor-made to my tastes. The VGAs do a great job of providing the Spike TV viewership with a recap of games that year that were made to appeal to that channel's demographic. I mean, I don't particularly like playing Uncharted 2 either, but that doesn't mean that I don't see how well-crafted the game is, and how well it entertains fans of that sort of game.
So, what's my problem? If the VGAs are so great, why am I writing this? Well, I guess I'm just an idealist. Although I accept what the VGAs are, I can't help but think of what they could be.
Okay, this intro's already rambled on for too long. Hit the jump for my full take on Spike TV's Video Game Awards.
In the title of this post, I brought up the idea that the VGAs may be a bit self-loathing. Honestly, I don't think they are, but like any award show, they are not entirely self-loving either. As a rule, awards shows put things down more than they build them up. For every game that was nominated for an award in a given category, there were hundreds that people loved just as much that get no recognition. To say that you love some videogames is to inadvertently say you don't like other games. It's the nature of the awards show beast, and the reason why they tend to piss off so many people.
In the case of the VGAs, the ability to piss people off is further intensified by the show's relatively narrow scope when it comes to what types of games are "good." Again, part of this is due to the fact that this is Spike TV's Video Game Awards. This isn't Adult Swim, Syfy, or NBC. For better or worse, this is the "man" channel. If it's not stereotypically "manly," it doesn't belong here. That's probably why New Super Mario Bros. Wii, a game almost universally appreciated by critic and gamer a like, wasn't nominated for Game of the Year this year. It's a fantastic game, but other than the difficulty in later levels, there isn't anything particularly "bad-ass" or "testosterone pumping" about it.
I do wonder if there is more to it than that though. When I look at the games that are nominated this year, I can't help but notice a pattern. All of the GOTY nominees go for "realistic" graphics and a "cinematic" experience. All of the games consist mostly of running around and punching/shooting humans or humanoid creatures in a game world that borrows heavily from Hollywood movie logic. Now, I know that Uncharted 2 gets sort of supernatural towards the end, but it does so in a very Raiders of the Lost Ark way. In fact, in terms of underlying content, every game this year could have been a Hollywood blockbuster.
What does that say about the VGAs' concept of a good videogame? To me, it says that maybe, just maybe, some of the creative minds behind the show think that a good videogame can "transcend" being a videogame, and become something "better" -- a popcorn movie.
It makes sense. The Oscars do the same thing, albeit in a slightly different way. If you look at which movies have won Best Picture over the past 60 years, you'll see a pattern. Period pieces, biopics, adaptations of famous novels, and dramas have a near-monopoly on the category. Movies that really take full advantage of what the medium can do are almost always ignored. Instead, the highest honors are reserved for for movies that replicate the feeling of a slightly more respected medium (books) or the most respected experience of all: real life. If a movie makes you feel that the people on the screen are really back in the 1800s falling in love, or that Nicole Kidman really has a big nose and a depressing life, then it must be good. If a movie is filled with creative visual metaphors, amazing action sequences, painstakingly crafted comedic performances, or terrifyingly horrific moments, who cares? That's all "gimmicky movie stuff" in the eyes of the Academy. It's got to "transcend" the world of movies to be really worthy of praise.
That's where the self-loathing comes in, this need to "transcend to the next level." On the scale of respectable, stigma-free, "adult" ways to spend your free time, real-life experiences like traveling across the world or having a life-changing, dramatic conversation are #1, reading an amazing book or poem that's totally smart and deep is probably #2, seeing a "great piece of cinema" is #3, and going to a "beautiful concert/art gallery/Broadway show" is probably #4.
Then there is a huge gap.
After the gap, there are things like reading a comic book or playing a videogame. Below those two are watching pornography and playing with toys. Below that, you get stuff like pulling the wings off of flies and eating boogers. How far below picking boogers is from playing videogames is definitely a matter of whom you talk to. I've told many people over the age of 40 that I work for a videogame Web site. I have told a slightly fewer amount of over-40-year-olds that I sometimes like the smell of my own farts. Overall, I think I've gotten a better reaction from the fart-smelling admission. It at least gets a laugh. Tell someone in their 40s that you work for a videogame Web site, and you'll likely get some stares, awkward pauses, and maybe an "Oh yeah, my kids really love those things" token acknowledgment.
Videogames may carry a lower stigma than they used to, but they are still something that the powers that be see as childish, primitive, and stupid. Want to say that a movie is shallow and over-stimulating? Say that it's "just like a videogame." Want to quickly show that a character in a movie/TV show is anti-social and lonely? Show them playing a videogame. And what kind of videogame? Well, it shouldn't be a driving game, or a 2D platformer, or puzzle game. It's got be be something with a lot of violence, with some guys punching/shooting each other, and a lot of explosions.
In short, it's got to be a videogame that looks like a Hollywood action movie. It's got to be a game that looks like one of the VGAs' Game of the Year nominees.
Despite the fact that "Hollywood" games try very hard to transcend the world of gaming and offer an experience as respectable as a movie, they aren't getting much respect from mainstream entertainers for their efforts. Hollywood doesn't even respect Hollywood movies; why would they respect a Hollywood game? Imitation may be the best form of flattery, but it's not always the path to respect.
You know what's also not the path to respect? Getting celebrities that have next to nothing to do with videogames show up at your videogame awards show. All that tells people is that you wish you were making an awards show that was focused on something cooler than videogames. I mean, I like Kim Kardashian's behind as much as the next guy, but unless I can get a 1up for uppercutting it, I don't see what it's doing at the VGAs. It's certainly not doing anything to pay tribute to videogames.
I know that celebrity appearances are a must for any televised awards show, or else the general population won't pay attention to them. More so, like I said at the start of this post, I love celebrity appearances. I wouldn't want them to leave the show entirely. I mean, I like the Super Bowl halftime show, too, but that doesn't mean I want that to be the whole show.
I wouldn't want Hollywood games to be totally ignored in the GOTY category, either. Those games may not be my thing, but they are absolutely worth of praise and recognition. What I'm thinking is that the VGAs could take a few more risks to better represent the full spectrum of gaming and gamers. The show could do a bit more to take pride in videogames as a unique medium, and the people that play them.
Here's what I'm thinking; what if, between appearances from Mike Tyson and LL Cool J, you got to see a a three-minute fight between two of the best Street Fighter IV players on the planet? How about a battle between the two best Rock Band players in the world? What if, for two minutes, the show had an interpretive Tetris dance, with people dressed in tetramino costumes interlocking, combining, and disappearing? What if, among the multiple new trailers for games that are either based on Hollywood movies or look like Hollywood movies, you get a trailer for something like Mega Man 10 or No More Heroes 2? Why not at least try to show that along with celebrities and male power fantasies, videogames can be a lot of other things too?
Celebrities may bring in the ratings, and Hollywood games may be popular with with the Spike TV audience, but they don't have to be the whole show. I think the minds behind the VGAs would be surprised to see how much more respect (and higher ratings) the show would get if it reveled a bit more in the fact that the show is, in fact, all about videogames. Being yourself and expressing your thoughts on the things you are passionate about is the real way to win people over.
You know those 40-year-olds I told you about who look at me funny when I tell them I work for a videogame site? Well, most of the time, after I tell them just how amazing videogames can be on both a primitive and sophisticated level, they don't look at me funny anymore. Whether they "get it" or not, they can't help but see how much I genuinely love games, and genuine love is something that demands respect above all else. It doesn't matter how boring a topic may be; if you talk about it with respect for yourself and the listener, and genuine passion, people are going to be interested.
That's what I'd like to see from the VGAs, and who knows, maybe this year that's what we'll get. The show starts in just a few hours. Let me know if you think they pulled it off.
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With every VGA show I watch, the result is the that it always sucks.
I've learned my lesson.
- Notice the lack of Japanese published and developed games.
- Notice how biased the VGAs has is towards the 360.
- Notice how it is ruled over by corporate sponsorship with its own meaningless categories and how it promotes certain games that actually turn out to be terrible
- Notice how many games that win are AAA cinematic blockbuster titles mostly shooter titles.
- Notice how you won't find a single Nintendo game in any of the categories besides "Best Wii" and "Handheld game" and you won't find a single Wiiware game like Lost Winds: Winter of the Melodias nominated in the "Best Downloadable game" category either.
VGAS are about the following: FPS, HD graphics, dirty jokes, 360,
While I personally agree that they COULD and SHOULD be more like that, I find it incredibly doubtful that they every really WILL. The majority of people I know of who play games care very little about the things you propose. They're the type to watch action movies, because explosions and well-choreographed knife fights are cool.
They often care less about the love for gaming, and just whether or not things come across as "badass" or "epic" or similarly action-movie style adjectives.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good John Woo gunplay scene as much as the next guy, but let's be serious. Where would those guys be if they didnt have Halo and Gears? Watching action movies. It's just that now, they get to move up a bit, and instead of watching a bunch of dudes get shot, they get to shoot a bunch of dudes.
And since there's so many people who like these things, basic economics dictates that developers will provide more of it. So until gamers either change tastes, or that demographic moves to a new medium, we'll see the VGAs as they are.
Wut, you LIKE the VGA? Its just the same self-obsessed wannabe-celebrity bullshit that's all over MTV already. Throw in some shitty rappers to appeal to the 17 year old black demographic and some shitty pop singers to appeal to the 17 year old white trash-but-i-pretend-im-upper-class demographic.
It sickens me, and its why i havent watched a single awards show in 6 years, be it movies music or games. They know nothing of the art of the medium they speak of, and they always just pick the most celeb-talked-about winner.
Its quite alot like obama winning the peace prize. Yeah i managed to squeeze that in here too =)
What Kraid said. I completly lost hope for MTV a long time ago, I think that is one of the worst channels on television and I will never watch it again. That said, since Spike is part of the same network I have very little hope of the things you mention in this article coming to fruition. I would love it if they did, because one thing I would love happening above all else is for games to be taken as a serious creative and entertainment industry by the mass media. But, when shows like this reduce it to something like last years show and probably this years show I think that day is getting farther and farther away rather than closer.
Even though MTV owns it as well as Spike, the MTV video game awards (Germany exclusive), are bloody fantastic, with the easily funniest and non-misrepresenting show hosts of public TV (Budi and Simon).
This was an excellent write-up, I totally agree. And I think in another decade or two, that stigma will be almost gone. EVERYONE plays games these days, it's just the people who are age 40+ who don't understand it.
VGAs though...eh. I've never gotten myself to watch them because they seem about as cool as Nick's Teen Choice Awards.
I've written about the travesty of the VGAs. I cannot believe anybody would appreciate them. It's no wonder that they've become such a farce is that nobody stands up and says, "Dude, can we like, make this remotely serious? Instead of having fat dudes in their underwear playing whatever flavor-of-the-month shooter that's been nominated for 50 awards?"
I'm not gonna watch this, and neither should any of you. No matter how much Destructoid had a hand in the voting.
Of course it's a sham. It's a 2-hour (is it longer? Dear lord, I hope not) advertisement for the gaming industry, though, and so for every Madden, Halo, and MW2 that "hardcore" gamers bitch about, it's another Demon's Souls that developers now have money to make. So it's a curse and a blessing.
Or, it's meaningless if you just don't watch the shit.
I'd be more interested in an awards show that featured the creative minds behind the games speaking honestly and candidly, maybe some real journalists as presenters, with minimal irrelevant celebrity and corporate interference.
That'll never happen, so I guess the 17+ version of Nickelodeon's Kids' Choice awards is all we have to look forward to.
Which is why I won't watch, because if it doesn't feature tits or rock stars, who cares? This is Spike, after all, and it's got more to do with soda brands than the games themselves.
I honestly couldn't care less about them. They are a symbol of the mainstreaming that I feel is ruining games and more importantly they are about MTV level in intelligence and entertainment, which I find disgusting.
The people who think VGA's is a bad idea, youre a bunch of fucking morons.
You think these award shows make fun/damage what video games really are, but I say, you're all just self centered assholes who think they know how to control the video game industry and would like to see things done their way. These award shows do not damage the integrity of video, its all about marketing. The show advertises games to build hype around the titles that have been nominated and titles that will come out soon via exclusives. I say that the game industry, especially the gaming community should welcome shows like these. It helps the games, and exposes them to people who might not have come across them otherwise.
Talk is cheap, and if you really find these shows offensive...shut the fuck up and do something about it.
Yes. Clearly the best way to further the video games industry in the public eye is to shoot sparks from our dicks, meanwhile only highlighting the video games that are already in the public eye.
If I could elect someone the "leader" of your cult of crazy gamers who want to show the world that our hobby contains more than blood, tits, and machismo, it would be you. Surely you could take us in the correct direction.
Anyway, way to read the article. It's pretty apparent that either A) You didn't or B) You don't have a shred of reading comprehension.
"Talk is cheap, and if you really find these shows offensive...shut the fuck up and do something about it."
Says the guy that just called some unknown demographic of people morons. Yes, talk is definitely cheap. But it couldn't hurt to not start off your paragraph insulting a large group of people that don't agree with you.
Nobody is saying the VGA's is a bad idea (are they?). They (myself included) are insulting the execution of that particular idea. I can't believe I just had to explain that to you.
Certainly an exercise in self-loathing. It's much as you said: why are games aspiring to be a form of entertainment that everyone already looks down on. The gaming industry is already doing exceptionally well, why do we need to force-feed Hollywood bullshit down everyone's throats? Answer: we don't, and the only reason exclusive trailers are coming on the VGAs is not because Halo: Reach needs more eyeballs, but because MTV/Spike/Viacom probably threw a bunch of money Microsoft's way in hopes of getting viewership and thus advertising revenue.
Gaming does not now and never has needed mainstream approval to be successful. The only thing the mainstream has done is hurt gaming (see the crash in the 80s). I'm sure some will say without the recent influx of gaming popularity, we would not have some of the blockbusters of the last few years, and perhaps that's true, but is anyone really poised to say that without those titles gaming still wouldn't be as great as it is today? I know I'm not.
"The people who think VGA's is a bad idea, youre a bunch of fucking morons."
Stopped reading there. Maybe someday you'll grow up and learn that no actual adult will take any argument of yours seriously when you resort to insults in the first fucking sentence.
While I too feel that the VGAs are a disgrace to gaming, I don't feel that you should compare it to the Academy Awards. The MTV Awards, yes. But not the Academy Awards. The Academy Awards, about 90-95% of the time, gives the awards to movies based on merit. But there are some times when this isn't the case or something is excluded from a certain category. This happened in the obvious case with Wall-E, which I can say as a grown man of 29, is one of the best movies I saw last year. But this movie, while better than some of the "Best Picture" nominees, didn't get in the category. A lot of people don't even know that animated movies can still be nominated for "Best Picture" instead of just "Best Animated Picture".
The VGA's are what they are - a celebration of all the over the top sex and violence Spike embraces. It's an award show in the same way 'Manswers' is an informative program. There's nothing wrong with it (er, well, that's debatable) but if you want a serious attempt, you're looking in the wrong place. Enjoy it for what it is. Or don't.
I don't see the VGA's ever becoming the defacto, go to awards show for video games. Why do we need one? There isn't an awards ceremony for books, but everyone respects that medium. We just need Spike to stop spitting all over what the medium can be.
I think you're very wrong about what the Academy Awards give their little trophies for. Just because they tend to give best picture to films that are usually "period pieces, biopics, adaptations of famous novels, and dramas," because those tend to be real emotional and deep stories. And they're trying to award something that is real emotional and deep. It's not just trying to be like literature. In fact, like everything else most books are crap! Books have award ceremonies too, who are they trying to ape?
Honestly my biggest problem with the Spike awards is that they have an open vote instead of letting a bunch of snooty jerks pick the most "culturally significant" or letting inside industry people or critics choose what they feel is the most important. If it were up to public opinion "New Moon" would be the guaranteed winner of Best Picture.
Doomsday Forte: Naturally. I'm reading Holmes' writeup of the VGAs too.
Tarvu: Exercise in self loathing one?
Doomsday Forte: Yup.
Tarvu: Is good
Doomsday Forte: My comment would be "If this is how games are meant to be portrayed to the masses, then why isn't E3/PAX not only more popular, but have big-name stars frequenting the events?"
Doomsday Forte: Or something of those lines.
Doomsday Forte: And since I don't watch the VGAs, the bit with Jack Black in his underwear with fat guys behind him in the same getup gaming...
Tarvu: PAX and E3 don't need them because the people there are already hopelessly hooked
Doomsday Forte: That really bothers me.
Doomsday Forte: And yeah. PAX and E3 is the way it should be. Not the VGAs.
To expand upon my point with Black, looking at that picture I asked myself "is THIS how people see gamers?" It's ignorance on my part to realize the sad truth, but it could've been a great turnaround. Show people that gamers are normal just like other people, not fat guys who sit in their underwear and stare blankly at the screen. Though yes, I also place a lot of the blame on Spike and its demographic.
I may not be such a heavily-involved gamer as I used to be, but the VGAs are not of my interest at all.
Great article, you brought up a lot of good points. I never watched the VGAs in the first place after I realized a number of things:
1) Nintendo games don't get SHIT at these things. I guess it's because Nintendo games aren't "manly" or "epic" enough for Spike's target demographic, ie. the beer-drinking frat boy who thinks Halo was the first FPS. Hell, NSMB Wii not even getting a nomination alone made me decide to not even bother watching the VGAs for the trailers or "special announcments."
2) Japanese games rarely (if ever? I have no idea) get the same level of recognition and praise as Western games do. I guess Japanese games are also not "manly" or "epic" enough for Spike's target demographic.
3) Beautiful, stylish, and truly artistic games rarely get mentioned either. If it's not uber realistic or in HD, it's not a game worth praising according to Spike's target demographic.
4) I'm not Spike's target demographic. Simple as that.
No, I'm pretty sure all the categories are completely open to a public vote. You can go to their website and vote on all the categories.
The people that pick those nominees need to be replaced, but if they're picking ones that will get a lot of public interest they do a good job. Are people going to get excited enough to go vote for their favorite art game that they've never played, no. They pick nominees that are extremely popular games that lots of people will have probably played if they have an Xbox. If they don't do that they sponsor the category by Mountain Dew.
I am still stalled at you liking the smell of your own farts. I couldn't concentrate after that.
VGA does represent gamers quite well. If by gamer you mean the frat boys who use every glitch and yell every insult and work every free hour to up their stats in Halo or Call of Duty.
THOSE gamers are completely represented. Unfortunately, other than those bottom of the barrel types, the rest of the gamers are being treated just like the frat boy mentality and being more than a little mocking.
They might as well just throw a middle finger at the hobby of gaming on the screen. Be about the same level of respect the show has ever had with what looked like paid advertisements disguised as awards. (In fairness, I'm saying this having not seen this years).
@TheTruth: "They might as well just throw a middle finger at the hobby of gaming on the screen."
They've done just the same, honestly. I already commented on the fat guys in underwear bit that was pictured, but I haven't seen any of the awards shows out of fear my IQ will plummet. :(
Agree. Because we really need a bunch of shit-head guidos from another generic MTV reality show to attempt to cooperate with America's once greatest boxer of all time (who may I add did a horrible job reciting his lines this time around) in order to introduce the 'best' shooter. This show was a joke... yet again. There was no point in continuing to watch this after two minutes in, when the Batman trailer finished.
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And Kyle Gass appearing makes me watch anything.
I've learned my lesson.
- Notice the lack of Japanese published and developed games.
- Notice how biased the VGAs has is towards the 360.
- Notice how it is ruled over by corporate sponsorship with its own meaningless categories and how it promotes certain games that actually turn out to be terrible
- Notice how many games that win are AAA cinematic blockbuster titles mostly shooter titles.
- Notice how you won't find a single Nintendo game in any of the categories besides "Best Wii" and "Handheld game" and you won't find a single Wiiware game like Lost Winds: Winter of the Melodias nominated in the "Best Downloadable game" category either.
VGAS are about the following: FPS, HD graphics, dirty jokes, 360,
I think up and coming devs and indies should be given more spotlight to showcase their talents also. Cut the mainstream vanilla in half.
They often care less about the love for gaming, and just whether or not things come across as "badass" or "epic" or similarly action-movie style adjectives.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good John Woo gunplay scene as much as the next guy, but let's be serious. Where would those guys be if they didnt have Halo and Gears? Watching action movies. It's just that now, they get to move up a bit, and instead of watching a bunch of dudes get shot, they get to shoot a bunch of dudes.
And since there's so many people who like these things, basic economics dictates that developers will provide more of it. So until gamers either change tastes, or that demographic moves to a new medium, we'll see the VGAs as they are.
Wut, you LIKE the VGA? Its just the same self-obsessed wannabe-celebrity bullshit that's all over MTV already. Throw in some shitty rappers to appeal to the 17 year old black demographic and some shitty pop singers to appeal to the 17 year old white trash-but-i-pretend-im-upper-class demographic.
It sickens me, and its why i havent watched a single awards show in 6 years, be it movies music or games. They know nothing of the art of the medium they speak of, and they always just pick the most celeb-talked-about winner.
Its quite alot like obama winning the peace prize. Yeah i managed to squeeze that in here too =)
WRONG! They're MUCH younger than 17...
Exactly.
Even though MTV owns it as well as Spike, the MTV video game awards (Germany exclusive), are bloody fantastic, with the easily funniest and non-misrepresenting show hosts of public TV (Budi and Simon).
VGAs though...eh. I've never gotten myself to watch them because they seem about as cool as Nick's Teen Choice Awards.
I'm not gonna watch this, and neither should any of you. No matter how much Destructoid had a hand in the voting.
Or, it's meaningless if you just don't watch the shit.
That'll never happen, so I guess the 17+ version of Nickelodeon's Kids' Choice awards is all we have to look forward to.
Which is why I won't watch, because if it doesn't feature tits or rock stars, who cares? This is Spike, after all, and it's got more to do with soda brands than the games themselves.
Not only because it was intelligent and well-thought out, but also because I now have the image of you shoryuken'ing Kim Kardashian's ass for a 1up.
You think these award shows make fun/damage what video games really are, but I say, you're all just self centered assholes who think they know how to control the video game industry and would like to see things done their way. These award shows do not damage the integrity of video, its all about marketing. The show advertises games to build hype around the titles that have been nominated and titles that will come out soon via exclusives. I say that the game industry, especially the gaming community should welcome shows like these. It helps the games, and exposes them to people who might not have come across them otherwise.
Talk is cheap, and if you really find these shows offensive...shut the fuck up and do something about it.
Yes. Clearly the best way to further the video games industry in the public eye is to shoot sparks from our dicks, meanwhile only highlighting the video games that are already in the public eye.
If I could elect someone the "leader" of your cult of crazy gamers who want to show the world that our hobby contains more than blood, tits, and machismo, it would be you. Surely you could take us in the correct direction.
Anyway, way to read the article. It's pretty apparent that either A) You didn't or B) You don't have a shred of reading comprehension.
We need to make this happen.
Anyway, great article.
Says the guy that just called some unknown demographic of people morons. Yes, talk is definitely cheap. But it couldn't hurt to not start off your paragraph insulting a large group of people that don't agree with you.
Nobody is saying the VGA's is a bad idea (are they?). They (myself included) are insulting the execution of that particular idea. I can't believe I just had to explain that to you.
Gaming does not now and never has needed mainstream approval to be successful. The only thing the mainstream has done is hurt gaming (see the crash in the 80s). I'm sure some will say without the recent influx of gaming popularity, we would not have some of the blockbusters of the last few years, and perhaps that's true, but is anyone really poised to say that without those titles gaming still wouldn't be as great as it is today? I know I'm not.
"The people who think VGA's is a bad idea, youre a bunch of fucking morons."
Stopped reading there. Maybe someday you'll grow up and learn that no actual adult will take any argument of yours seriously when you resort to insults in the first fucking sentence.
I won't hold my breathe though.
I get that the VGAs aren't really taken seriously, but we really don't have an embraced-by-pop-culture alternative. Shrug.
Honestly my biggest problem with the Spike awards is that they have an open vote instead of letting a bunch of snooty jerks pick the most "culturally significant" or letting inside industry people or critics choose what they feel is the most important. If it were up to public opinion "New Moon" would be the guaranteed winner of Best Picture.
I thought most of the awards are actually press and industry decided, actually.
Now who picks who's nominated, that's possibly concerning...
Tarvu: Exercise in self loathing one?
Doomsday Forte: Yup.
Tarvu: Is good
Doomsday Forte: My comment would be "If this is how games are meant to be portrayed to the masses, then why isn't E3/PAX not only more popular, but have big-name stars frequenting the events?"
Doomsday Forte: Or something of those lines.
Doomsday Forte: And since I don't watch the VGAs, the bit with Jack Black in his underwear with fat guys behind him in the same getup gaming...
Tarvu: PAX and E3 don't need them because the people there are already hopelessly hooked
Doomsday Forte: That really bothers me.
Doomsday Forte: And yeah. PAX and E3 is the way it should be. Not the VGAs.
To expand upon my point with Black, looking at that picture I asked myself "is THIS how people see gamers?" It's ignorance on my part to realize the sad truth, but it could've been a great turnaround. Show people that gamers are normal just like other people, not fat guys who sit in their underwear and stare blankly at the screen. Though yes, I also place a lot of the blame on Spike and its demographic.
I may not be such a heavily-involved gamer as I used to be, but the VGAs are not of my interest at all.
1) Nintendo games don't get SHIT at these things. I guess it's because Nintendo games aren't "manly" or "epic" enough for Spike's target demographic, ie. the beer-drinking frat boy who thinks Halo was the first FPS. Hell, NSMB Wii not even getting a nomination alone made me decide to not even bother watching the VGAs for the trailers or "special announcments."
2) Japanese games rarely (if ever? I have no idea) get the same level of recognition and praise as Western games do. I guess Japanese games are also not "manly" or "epic" enough for Spike's target demographic.
3) Beautiful, stylish, and truly artistic games rarely get mentioned either. If it's not uber realistic or in HD, it's not a game worth praising according to Spike's target demographic.
4) I'm not Spike's target demographic. Simple as that.
No, I'm pretty sure all the categories are completely open to a public vote. You can go to their website and vote on all the categories.
The people that pick those nominees need to be replaced, but if they're picking ones that will get a lot of public interest they do a good job. Are people going to get excited enough to go vote for their favorite art game that they've never played, no. They pick nominees that are extremely popular games that lots of people will have probably played if they have an Xbox. If they don't do that they sponsor the category by Mountain Dew.
I watch them to see the exclusive trailers mostly but I cringe throughout.
Sadly, it does represent the majority of gamers.
VGA does represent gamers quite well. If by gamer you mean the frat boys who use every glitch and yell every insult and work every free hour to up their stats in Halo or Call of Duty.
THOSE gamers are completely represented. Unfortunately, other than those bottom of the barrel types, the rest of the gamers are being treated just like the frat boy mentality and being more than a little mocking.
They might as well just throw a middle finger at the hobby of gaming on the screen. Be about the same level of respect the show has ever had with what looked like paid advertisements disguised as awards. (In fairness, I'm saying this having not seen this years).
They've done just the same, honestly. I already commented on the fat guys in underwear bit that was pictured, but I haven't seen any of the awards shows out of fear my IQ will plummet. :(
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Though in your list of respectable entertainment, you need to flip number 3 and 4