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The UK has too many broken 360s for one country to handle

8:36 PM on 07.01.2007, David Houghton 54 comments

The UK has too many broken 360s for one country to handle photo
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The Xbox 360 seems to be suffering from inverse karma of late. On the one hand, it's a damn fine machine with a vast library of worthwhile games and a great online service. On the other hand, death seems to eagerly shadow its every footstep.

A couple of weeks ago we brought you news of a crazily high retailer estimate of a 30% failure rate for Microsft's big white box of joy, and today that bad news has been compounded by some fairly extreme reports from the repair shop end of things. In the UK it transpires that the number of red lights appearing at Microsoft's repair centre currently evokes the image of a Cylon invasion, with a massive 1500 to 2500 machines turning up daily. Not only that, but the repair centre is now failing to keep up with demand, and is being forced to out-source repairs on UK machines to other countries. Hit the jump for the details.

The news broke as a result of the intrepid pokings around of a 360 owner, who after talking to Microsoft customer service, called the repair centre in Havant directly in an attempt to find out what had happened to the machine he had sent in. In his own words:

A shocking statistic we found out though is that between 1,500 to 2,500 consoles get sent to Havant by three UPS lorries per day, to then be shipped to Prague for repair.

[We] phoned up Nora the [customer service] supervisor again, who then admitted my console was in Prague and hadn’t been looked at yet – she seemed amazed that we knew!

Oh dear.

In addition to that, the red ring o' death, doom and despair is so prolific that independent repair shops are now refusing to touch it. Electronics repair centre Micromart has just cancelled its repair service for the problem, stating that after seeing the frequency of the complaint increase for several months, it eventually became apparent that it was far too serious for them to effectively deal with. 

The work we had done to the console lead us to believe that basically it was a fault with the motherboard and not something that could be resolved easily. And it wasn't going to go away.

Rather than lead customers up the garden path we'd walk away from it and tell them to go directly to Microsoft because they have the facility to replace the motherboard. If Microsoft has updated the motherboard for the new consoles that it's producing then presumably they've improved the existing model.

We're not taking that thing on board; we won't repair them. We originally did some work with it but it's labour intensive and it isn't really a feasible repair for us to undertake. We would probably end up charging GBP 100 for a repair and we still wouldn't be happy with the end result.

Oh dear, oh dear. 

The situation is now explained on the company's home page, where the problem is described as endemic.

Despite Microsoft's denials, this problem has surely gone too far now. It's the big, glowing red elephant in the corner, and there really is no PR victory to be made by pretending it isn't there any longer. It would save the company and its consumers a lot of time and money to just put things right now and let people get on with enjoying the otherwise great machine without fear. A lot of people have flawess 360s of course, but given the current evidence, a lot more should have. 

In the meantime, add the price of a towel to that Premium Pack when you pick one up. 

[Via Danny Martinez and Tempus' community blog


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TheTaj's Avatar
TheTaj at 07/01/2007 20:49
I wonder what Gates will say about this.

"Spinmaster, eject. Commence Operation: Brainwash."
Tempus's Avatar
Tempus at 07/01/2007 20:50
Yes because these are all FPS games, no? This doesn't even include any XBLA titles. C'mon bowlinggod, you have a 360. You should know this!
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar
michiyoyoshiku at 07/01/2007 21:03
I cry bullshit until my 360 bites it...which it won't ever
ZiiG360's Avatar
ZiiG360 at 07/01/2007 21:05
its actually simple. we ditch broken 360's on brits. LAWL.
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Velt at 07/01/2007 21:14
I dont know what to do, i have to oportunity to buy a 360 next month. I dont live in USA so someone is going to buy one for me there and bring it. BUT, south america is not a great place to buy one of the damn things because if it breaks then i would have lost my money.

Is like gambling against destiny.
Mike's Avatar
Mike at 07/01/2007 21:18
No surprise here... there was a MASSIVE backlog with the Canadian repair centre back in January. A process that was supposed to take one week ended up taking six.
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Matthew Mac at 07/01/2007 21:21
Woah, are you trying to start a fanboi war? That article was someone guessing the failure rate was at 30%. I think the quote was actually "it wouldn't surprise me if it was at 30%." Not really an official revelation, regardless of close to the truth it is.
HawtPawkitHero's Avatar
HawtPawkitHero at 07/01/2007 21:25
NONSENSE! In the 4 months I've owned my 360, I've only gotten a red light once, solved with a reboot.
...
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***RUNS >
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar
deiga-the-semivaliant at 07/01/2007 21:30
There are obviously a lot of people who's 360s won't bug out on them, but that doesn't mean there's not a problem here. 30% failure rate in ANYTHING is pretty shitty.
Vexxed's Avatar
Vexxed at 07/01/2007 21:31
My second 360 just died on me, not fun Microsoft...not fun at all. Although it has given me an excuse to finish some old ps2 games I abandoned >.>
Joe Burling's Avatar
Joe Burling at 07/01/2007 21:43
There are people out there who don't believe that the 360 has a high failure rate. Even though you may not have seen it, I have, and therefore I believe it. I'm on my 3rd 360. My dad is on his second. I have two friends on their third. On friend on his fifth. My sister's just bit the dust. Everyone I know who has one that keeps breaking send it in to MS and get another refurbed 2005 box back. I think it's a problem with the first batch and the more recent ones have a lower failure rate. I really think the problem will get better when they come out with the 65nm processors. Buy the warranty, but it's still a must-own console, IMO. Live + the games coming out make it worth it as long as you buy the extended warranty. BTW, it's SuMizzle above who is on his fifth (and that doesn't include his HD-DVD drive breaking once, too).
William Haley's Avatar
William Haley at 07/01/2007 21:45
Just go to Costco and buy a new one, then stick your broken one in the new box and get a refund.

If you don't live near a Costco, pack up your fucking teepee and move toward the lights.
deathxrebirth's Avatar
deathxrebirth at 07/01/2007 21:49
I live in the US. My first Premium XBOX red ringed and I gave it to my friend (who got it fixed with MS's extended warrenty last year). I kept the HDD and bought a core system and that broke. I sent it in and have had it for 2 months now and it has not died yet, but all the warning signs are there. The interface (such as friends list) freezes and tons of my games are getting disc read errors so much so that I am basically stuck playing Live games.

I am afraid it is going to brick again... I don't want to put up with having to send it back again. I love the system but it is pretty much bullshit. Waiting for a class action lawsuit ;)
Ritalin Twitch's Avatar
Ritalin Twitch at 07/01/2007 22:04
I still have my first xbox, and its going strong. My brother, hower, is on his third. He purchased a launch box, and I believe his second one was his first one refurbished. It hasn't cost him any money, only a little bit of time not playing games. While it does worry me that I seem to own a product with a high failure rate (at least according to evidence provided by word of mouth) I also remember virtually everyone I knew who owned a launch PS2 having the same laser failure problem. Including my brother. Maybe he just has bad luck.

Should a defect show up in the PS3, it should start some interesting fanboy wars as to whose exploding hardware is worse. My money is it will involve the bluray diode.

I guess the morale here is buy Nintendo. All of the Nintendo products I've owned are survivors. Sure, you may have to wiggle the Wii remote at the screen and this makes you look gay to friends you only think you have, but when you launch it at a wall at mach 3 it survives.
Joe Burling's Avatar
Joe Burling at 07/01/2007 22:15
William, not to soil your advice, but they scan the barcode on the 360 a lot of times. I'm not sure about Costco but it won't work at a place like Best Buy.
Vigor's Avatar
Vigor at 07/01/2007 22:16
Microsoft is a software company. Its not gonna run as well as a ps3. Doesnt make it a bad system. I personally dont care for 360 games. PS3,hdtv, and a high end gaming computer is all i need. Just get there fucking 5 year warranty its 50 bucks.

And please dont read my post and be like "ZoMg ps3 has noes games".

Ive have 1 ps1 it still works to this day. I have 1 ps2 it works to this day. I have 1 ps3 no problems it still works.
I had 1 xbox 360 elite it fucking overheated the first month.
deathbunny's Avatar
deathbunny at 07/01/2007 22:22
if it's in the UK, shouldn't it be a dalek invasion ?
morbo47's Avatar
morbo47 at 07/01/2007 22:22
@michiyoyoshiku

I was thinking the same as you until last week, when mine spontaneously crapped out on me. And then reports of a mass breaking suddenly show up on the internet... It's weird, almost like some sort of code word was sent out, ha.

Unfortunately it wasn't under warranty anymore. Strangely, even though I wasn't able to find one in stores until March of 06, looking at the back of my console (which I just never thought to do) revealed that mine was made in Oct of 05, making it part of the first batch. That's weird, no? Where was it sitting for more than three months before it found its way to shelves?

Luckily calling the service line was easy, and the guy I talked to was really nice (contrary to that one bogus 'news' story from a while back). We talked about how awesome Canada is, ha. He said I was lucky too (relatively), in that I live within an hour of the repair centre. Though I didn't remember it was the long weekend at the time, but I hope to get it back Tuesday.

One thing I found curious though was he said they'd just be giving me a new one... have they just given up trying to repair them now? I didn't think anything of it at the time, but in light of this, I wonder if it's now just more cost effective to outright replace them for customers.

Anywho, if this happens again, it'll be a different story, but the ordeal hasn't soured me on Microsoft, just the opposite. Though, we'll see what the story is depending on how long it takes me to get it back/whether it breaks on me again.
morbo47's Avatar
morbo47 at 07/01/2007 22:26
Oh, and a helpful tip for anyone who's in the same boat as me. I was worried about reports of having to be signed into your account to access anything you purchased when you switch your hard drive to a different console. He said that yes that's true, but all I have to do is call them when I get my new console,and they'll configure that on their end to get rid of that annoyance.
Nyteshade's Avatar
Nyteshade at 07/01/2007 22:30
@ Vigor If you have a still working PS2 it's not first-gen, it's well known Sony used crap parts in the first gen, even to the point that they had to offer free out of warranty repairs from DREs. They made the same mistakes Microsoft is making now, they didn't own up to the problem, and the justice system bit Sony in the ass.

And my NES still works, and that was made back in 85 or so. Nintendo has all claims to console reliability, even my Virtual Boy still works, though I wish it didn't so I could throw it away.
Trevor McGee's Avatar
Trevor McGee at 07/01/2007 22:38
Well, all I can say is that I hope my XBox 360 isn't one of those. However, chances are it will be. I always get the shitty console somehow. I've been through I think three PSones, the piece of shits burned out on me and I couldn't use the memory card slots or the second controller port. I'm on my second PS2, as well as second XBox. I just had horrible fucking luck with consoles and I take pretty damn good care of them. I don't drop them or anything and I try to keep them as dust free as possible. But things always fuck up.

My friend got his XBox 360 before the release date, thanks to some Mountain Dew contest, and his runs fine. So I guess he's one of the lucky ones.
TheExit's Avatar
TheExit at 07/01/2007 23:25
A towel... that was genius. HAHA. Seriously tho, I'm on my 3rd 360. I had my first one for 2 weeks, and it crapped out. Futureshop switched for me no problem, then the 2nd one lasted about 5 or 6 months. I just got my third one back from Microsoft 4 days ago. Its running really strong right now, and quiet I may add. Hopefully this one lasts. They do have a problem and need to fix the issue. Throw in the rumoured heat sync, or change the hardware thats screwing up. Do it for the consumers, or they'll be none left to have. I still won't get a PS3 unless I win one.
Monte's Avatar
Monte at 07/01/2007 23:59
@Nyteshade

not true, just as some 360's manage to not crap out, the same can be said for the launch PS2... i got my PS2 at launch(pre-ordered) and it's running strong
Crunshii's Avatar
Crunshii at 07/02/2007 00:51



R0xx1t's Avatar
R0xx1t at 07/02/2007 02:42
I bought a brand new 360 in January and it broke in May.
japan's Avatar
japan at 07/02/2007 03:37
so much for 360 -__-
whackmushrooms's Avatar
whackmushrooms at 07/02/2007 04:44
its a microsoft product people .. what did you expect to be? reliable?
whackmushrooms's Avatar
whackmushrooms at 07/02/2007 04:49
also .. i wonder if this has to do with summertime .. (mine died the first week of warm weather)
TorpedoTed's Avatar
TorpedoTed at 07/02/2007 05:02
I bought mine 2 weeks ago, its been getting a battering, still works so far....runs cool aswell, even after a 8 hour gaming session...
Looking inside of the beast though (on the net), does seem like it needs more fans....as soon as my warranty is up, im busting it open and beefing it up!!
Brilliant system, cant keep off it, to think i hated the first one too!!
PS3 seems such a waste of cash at the mo, buy an xbox i say, who wants to pay 20 more quid for the same game on a system that doesnt rumble and looks crap (fatty playstation!!)
TorpedoTed's Avatar
TorpedoTed at 07/02/2007 05:06
Plus if the big Japanesse developers are pulling resources off of PS3 title and putting them on the Wii and xbox, you wont have any games to play...Look at what happened to katamari!! Oh and one more thing, did you read about the so called PS3 outselling Wii and xbox in Australia...its all a big lie..hehe, trying to make there stats up now!!
hopefullym this will kick them in the pants to lower the price!!
Vigor's Avatar
Vigor at 07/02/2007 06:06
TorpedoTed kill yourself you are just another blind and gullable fanboy. Spouting shit he hears on forums. And no one cares about katamari.
TorpedoTed's Avatar
TorpedoTed at 07/02/2007 06:39
Haha you prick, stop making judgements!!
I hated the first xbox, thought it was crap, but the 360 is great, thats it plain and simple!!
If im a fanboy of anything its nintendo, or since ive got a psx, ps2 and a psp im a sony one aswell.
in a word shut your mouth you havent got a clue. Oh tekken sucked after number 3, put that in your pipe and smoke it!!
OutrageousToob's Avatar
OutrageousToob at 07/02/2007 08:02
To be fair, I owned one, sold it (after multiple breaks), and just recently bought a new one. Some of the up-and-coming releases look too good to pass up.

I really hope I have slightly better luck with it this time.
TorpedoTed's Avatar
TorpedoTed at 07/02/2007 08:16
Im not on live yet, have no BB....doh! but cant wait for Street Fighter HD looks amazing!
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fetusmilk at 07/02/2007 08:20
i got a "pro" system. it started scratching disks. noticed there were bubble shaped pieces of plastic in the cd try that were sticking up sorta like the vaccume wasnt sealed when it formed the plastic or something. ended up scratching 4 games. returned them all got new ones. then got the ring of death. bought a core system swaped my hd into that and got the power failure light because the power supply that came with the core system was bunk. so i had to take my pro power supply (which is grounded and the core system one was not, why?) and use that instead. returned the pro system in the core box back to best buy(yes best buy took it back,funny cause the pro has a silver tray and core doesnt) now it runs fine. some freezing in the main menu but very rare.
KilgoreTrout XL's Avatar
KilgoreTrout XL at 07/02/2007 08:40
I'm on my second one. My launch console broke in the summer of 2006.

The process was pretty painless. It took about four weeks in total. And it was free.
908peruvian's Avatar
908peruvian at 07/02/2007 10:19
on on my THIRD X360.

first one red rings of death.

2nd one lag while playing games..NOT EVEN ONLINE.

3rd. i STILL lag when playing Burnout Revenge
splitscreen VS on long maps.

that Tokyo level and that warehouse level..
it skips

WTF SHOULD I DO?!?!
SHOULD I SEND IT BACK????

ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS BURNOUT PROBLEM?
ONLINE PLAY IS FINE, BUT SPLITSCREEN LAG SUCKS!!!
Karail's Avatar
Karail at 07/02/2007 10:55
My 360 has been in for repairs for two weeks now and seeing this article does not give me any confidence that I will see it again anytime soon. /cry
BlackDove's Avatar
BlackDove at 07/02/2007 10:56
I don't see what the problem is.

Moore said "You know, stuff breaks".

And you all bought the shit anyway. When someone tells me "Stuff breaks" I say; "I don't want your stuff then".

Simple.
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David Houghton at 07/02/2007 11:00
Deathbunny: I was sorely tempted to make a Dalek reference, but their lights tend to be white or blue rather than red (I think). If this starts happening with the PS3 though, they'll be making an appearance.
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1D10T at 07/02/2007 11:14
Any console that gets so hot that you can fry an egg on it was bound to have these issues. This is what M$ gets for "designing" (shoveling out early) something that is supposed to be used “properly” or else it will break.

Look, I understand you can’t keep modern consoles on carpeting like you used to when you were a kid, but there are a lot of people who think they are keeping their system well-ventilated and they are still damn near melting the plastic in back.

M$, meet reality. Most people have a set place for their game consoles. They are going to put them someplace like on the shelf under the TV on their entertainment center that is 5-10 years old. There is literally no place else to put it, so it goes there. They’ll move some cords around and try to keep air around it, but that is all they can do.

Then they’ll play Gears all day on teacher institute day and leave it on while they make a run to the border for fourthmeal. Hey, 30% of the time, this causes the motherboard to slit her wrists. Who knew? We all knew, that’s who.

So is it the user’s fault or M$. Like it or not, consoles need to take a bit of punishment. Did M$ know they had a console that could melt if you didn’t cut out the back of your entertainment center or have a fan blowing on it 24/7? You bet they did. Could you imagine if this sort of thing happened with things like televisions or DVD players? The customer wouldn’t stand for it, and M$ had better start with the transparent customer service or the customer will turn the hurt back on them.
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moclippa at 07/02/2007 12:01
Thats a pretty insane failure rate!

Maybe I've been lucky... I've owned a 360 for a year now, I even traveled with it once and put it in my suitcase, where it was transited through three locations!

I haven't had a problem with it yet.... either way, hope MS gets their act together because its an otherwise good system with a great lineup right now relative to what the competition is offering.
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moclippa at 07/02/2007 12:11
1D10T I agree though, had this been a DVD player or otherwise the customer would defiantly not stand for it... those markets are buyers markets though, so its easy for customers to choose a better quality player because there are so many manufacturers.

With consoles you have a single manufacturer for every system, and while one could make the argument that the consumer should purchase a PS3/Wii instead of a 360 because of its failure rate, people won't because the 360 has enough highly anticipated exclusives and a large library of games relative to the competition. So while a consumer won't stand for it with a DVD or TV, they'll bend over backwards and take it with a console.

Now this would be all and well had MS actually been doing something to fix the problem, but when the Elite just got released and you are still having reports of 1500-2000 failures a day in one country..... then there is obviously a disconnect.
golemnist's Avatar
golemnist at 07/02/2007 14:40
I own a Ps3 and 360 (and a Wii too), however, I decided a while back that any multi-platform games will be purchased for the PS3. I like the 360, I really do, but I've already had one crap out on me, and the one I currently have freezes up on me randomly. I live in fear every time I turn the thing on that its going to freeze up like Fred Sanford going to see Ethel.

Just so no one says it, because someone always does, yes my 360 is well-ventilated and well taken care of...however, I don't think any consumer should have to go through the video game equivalent of a shuttle launch just to play a goddamn game. What I'm saying is, fix the problem MS, because my PS3 is built like a brickhouse.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar
Kyousuke Nanbu at 07/02/2007 17:56
I'm on my 4th at the moment.

1st scratched up games, the 2nd lasted 4 months and the 3rd also scratched up games, it ate my Dead Rising.

4th seems to be doing well.
Vigor's Avatar
Vigor at 07/02/2007 18:04
@TorpedoTed at a kid whos talks about katamari not being released for sony. I can give a shit about your preference in games. Keep shipping your xbox to a service station every 6 months.

After my elite overheated and got a rrod i sold it. I could tell that was just more headaches waiting to happen. I can take that kind of stuff with gaming computers. But not with a console. Ive never had a problem with sony so im happy now with a PS3.

My friend brought over his premium xbox to 1 v 1 me in gears it wasnt even online. And the thing was lagging like hell. Not very enjoyable. 360 may have some games that i wanna play but its not worth the headache. Im not gonna keep shipping my system to get it in a refurb box. I dont even understand why people defend a system like this. When there on there 2nd or 3rd system. Do you actually think thats normal?
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Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain at 07/02/2007 20:14
I'm on #2. It just ate my copy of Vegas.
Smalls's Avatar
Smalls at 07/03/2007 02:32
Ha... you guys think you're unlucky cause you have 3 broken consoles? I'm on NUMBER SEVEN.

I play xbox 360 around 2 hours per week and the rest of the household generally plays around 10 hours per week, certainly not outside of the realm of "normality".

We've had a hard drive break, a power brick break, 2 controllers develop problems, DVD read-errors, corrupted hard drives, corrupted game saves, 1 red ring, 3 red ring, and had to reinstall our live arcade games 7 times as well.

I've also had an xbox 360 elite go wonky on me as well, it began freezing randomly. Rather than keep that sucker, I returned it immediately before my 30 day in-store return policy went up. I have however had another 360 elite that has worked absolutely flawless since I got it. Call me crazy, but 1 out of 9 is a fucking joke.
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