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Fresh from the hacker's pantry, here are the uncut scenes from Rockstar's controversy magnet/attention whore, Manhunt 2. In all its bleak and bloodsoaked glory, this showreel of murder is taken from the hacked PSP version that I reported on in an earlier post and that Nex added to just a moment ago.
 
I've never been a fan of the term 'torture porn' when it comes to videogames, but if ever a game deserved such a label, this would be it. Watching these scenes, I feel like they're not meant for my eyes, like they were intended for more perverse minds to enjoy. I wasn't disgusted, nor was I shocked, I felt ... nothing watching this. No emotion whatsoever. The bleak and needlessly grim way with which these scenes are carried out just fills me with emptiness.
 
There's something about this nasty little showreel that makes me feel one thing, though -- an overwhelming urge to never buy Manhunt 2 -- edited, hacked or otherwise. I also find myself filled with more words than a mainpage normally allows, so please hit the jump. I have a lot to say about this artistic vision of Rockstar's.
There is a reason why games like this aren't made, and it's a reason that disproves the entire 'violent games' argument from people like Thompson. We as gamers love violence, that is certainly true ... but not like this. This is too real. This is the closest to murder simulation that you can get. It's not over the top, crazy violence with explosions and un-natural fountains of blood -- that's fun. This isn't fun. It's dreary, it's drab and it's far too real. It's downright creepy.
 
I realize now what makes the Manhunt games different from violence in other games and movies. The content of the above video is no worse than the cult movie Ichi the Killer, or Peter Jackson's early splatter movies like Braindead, but it lacks something that those films had -- flare, class and entertainment value. The violence was stylized and well crafted and it had its place. I do not see this in the murders of Manhunt 2. Where the image of a man being beaten to death with a bag over his head could be made either funny or terrifying, or at least have a point, Manhunt 2's rendition of such an event is so devoid of feeling, panaché or amusement that it could easily be taken as something intended only for disturbed people to get off on.  
 
I will uphold that Manhunt 2 should have been allowed a release in its true form, regardless of how tasteless it is, but I also want to maintain that, despite my beliefs of artistic freedom, I am not impressed with the crap in that video, and it is crap. You can make sawing into someone's skull fun, but that footage did not look fun to me. That's difficult to do, but Rockstar's unfeeling, psychopathic take on the scenario sucked out any enjoyment I could have had.
 
I don't think Manhunt 2 is damaging to children, nor is it some great social evil -- that gives the content entirely too much credit. The reactionaries are still idiots for screaming about the sickening, outrageous violence, but at the same time, the BBFC had a point when it said the game's 'casual approach of sadism' was relevant. Certainly not grounds for banning or scaremongering, but foundation enough for gamers to make their own choice -- and to say with their dollars that they have no interest in shallow, meaningless bullsh*t that doesn't even try to be enjoyable

Perhaps this is some great and meaningful statement of Rockstar's, showing us that for all the hyper-real violence we love, the reality just isn't fun. In making a game that isn't entertaining in the least, Rockstar has shown that realistic violence is not what we enjoy, and proven that actual simulation of murder is horrible. Of course ... I am wary of giving Rockstar that kind of credit. Far more likely, all this time I've been campaigning for the uncensored release of an artistic vision that's just ... rubbish. It doesn't make my belief all the less zealous, but it certainly, fittingly, takes the fun out of it. If anything, I'm angry at the BBFC not because it robbed me of my choice to buy Manhunt 2, but because it robbed me of my choice NOT to buy Manhunt 2.

As I think about it, I guess I lied at the beginning when I said that this footage got no emotion from me. I do feel something as I watch this video ...

Disappointment.


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Clockwork at 11/03/2007 23:26
"This isn't fun. It's dreary, it's drab and it's far too real. It's downright creepy."

Well said man, I totally agree with you. This game is fucking messed up to the point where I think it just should be completely ignored.
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WeAreToast at 11/03/2007 23:26
Strange, I remember this video actually being released (or to my knowledge) last week on a different site.

However, it's still pretty brutal, though the blood and gore effects upon weapon contact don't vary too much.
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ZekeThePlumber at 11/03/2007 23:28
Well said. Unfortunately the embeded player doesn't have a stop or pause function because about a minute or so in to it I grew tired of it and had no choice but to refresh the page.

I wish all this controversy could have been better spent on a violent game worth playing.
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Jim Sterling at 11/03/2007 23:31
Christiangamer: Which means is the first time you've had the right idea. :-D
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UglyDuck at 11/03/2007 23:34
This... this is ribbish. This is what they banned? Jees. I just think this is lovely. Watching it has somewhat made me want Manhunt 2, except that these are the bits they took out, so I suppose all that's left is the bland stuff.

Really, I can see why some of that stuff would offend people, but most of it was so bland, such fake controvacy... like the whole hot coffee thing that I was led to believe for a long time was the addition of an actual sex scene, when really it was just two standard character models dry humping. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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zardoz at 11/03/2007 23:34
Is anyone else hard?
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brainderailment at 11/03/2007 23:34
Somebody must have put some carpet fresh into gordon freeman's cocaine. That would make anyone go psycho.
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Jordan Grim Devore at 11/03/2007 23:34
The visuals are too unrealistic to warrant the attention that the game has gotten.
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Lethal Dosage at 11/03/2007 23:35
I played some of the uncut Manhunt 2, and I didn't think it was awful or anything.

It was basically more of the first game, which I was a fan of...I'm one of the seven or eight fans.

I hope the people that trash the game for being full of graphic violence for graphic violence's sake don't go into the Phantasmagoria post from a few days ago and cream their pants over the game.

For the record, being a big fan of video game violence, I thought both games were great at satisfying that...blood thirst? Whatever.
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Dexter345 at 11/03/2007 23:37
This really wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I'm pretty queasy when it comes to gruesome stuff (Saw makes me nauseous), but aside from a lot of the decapitations and the garden shears, this isn't nearly as gruesome as I thought it would be, especially with all the ado about it.

That said, I'm still uninterested in the game, considering I just spent six minutes watching what the whole point of the game is.
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Resonance at 11/03/2007 23:38
Does this game have anyone interested in buying it for anything reason apart from controversy?
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brainderailment at 11/03/2007 23:41
I did have a sinking feeling in my stomach when I saw the sawing of heads off. It reminded me of a video of a real man getting his head sawed off and it's not cool funny or rad. It's fucking sick.
We all like that over the top zombie tearing people to pieces violence, it makes us laugh and joke around, but when violence like this reminds us of a real act, it is disturbing.
I totally agree that I would have liked to have voted against this non-entertaining violence by not buying it.
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Jim Sterling at 11/03/2007 23:42
I must reiterate: I was not shocked, horrified or disgusted by anything in that footage. My problem lies in the total lack of feeling or anything resembling entertainment. Where this differs from the mentioned Phantasmagoria is that the latter game at least had over-the-top splatter sensibilities that made the violence enjoyable in a squeamish, "eeew" kinda way. The kind of way that you can laugh at because it's so out-there.

Manhunt 2 isn't out-there, it's just ... fucking shit.
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UglyDuck at 11/03/2007 23:44
Actually, let me be more specific. I wouldn't buy this game, because I think Rockstar make terrible games. Moreover, my games would be far, FAR more graphic than this. More realistic, more grimey and gritty, more disturbing, and far better made. Because honestly, I can't defend the game for being good anyway if it's honestly a shitty game.
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cryocide at 11/03/2007 23:47
Man, if this is artistic vision, then they need new glasses!

"Torture porn" describes this very well. I hope it's just as you mentioned--that they're trying to make a point about surrealism vs. realism, because I just can't see myself ever wanting this game after seeing that. Maybe this is the videogame equivalent of "Supersize Me" or something.

I absolutely loved games like GTA and Carmageddon and such, but this... I just can't put it into words. No. Just no. I guess if anyone's got the cash to waste on development just for the sake of making a statement, though, it's gonna be Rockstar.
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BaronVonTito at 11/03/2007 23:58
If Rockstar wants to release a game to for the sake of being controversial, then hell, let 'em. But personally, I wouldn't even consider renting this. I hope they're not expecting a big return on this. But hey, they have GTA to fall back on, at least theres quality and depth in those titles.

"Manhunt 2 isn't out-there, it's just ... fucking shit."
Agreed.
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RskimB at 11/04/2007 00:07
The crappy polygon count doesnt allow me to recoil in disgust. Seems as though the game is as tired as its predecessor though.
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DangerousD at 11/04/2007 00:12
that took a gorry minute. If your the one that controlls avatars help me out check out my blog post.
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Im OK at 11/04/2007 00:21
I couldn't have said it better myself. While I still think that people should have the choice to buy stuff like this if they really really want to (i.e. it shouldn't be banned), I personally hope that most people would choose not to buy this.

I mean, yeah, something like Ichi the Killer or Riki-Oh or whatever... like Jim says, this is just... different somehow.

Based on what little I've cared to see of Manhunt 2, I'll just quote The Angry Video Game Nerd: What a shitload of fuck.
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Aerox at 11/04/2007 00:22
This game looks like absolute shit (and not just the graphics). It looks like this game has no substance other than "OMG PUSH 1 BUTTON THEN WATCH FOR 10 SECONDS WHILE WE DO RIDICULOUS HOSTEL/SAW LIKE THINGS!! HEY KIDS LOOK IT'S XXXXXXXTREME!"
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ZeroTolo at 11/04/2007 00:23
@DangerousD

The only person who controls avatars around here is you. Try editing your profile.

On the topic of the post, I have to agree with what Dexter345 said. There's no real reason to buy the game now that I've seen what was cut out of it, and that's a shame because the original Manhunt was the very first game that I bought for the PS2 and I liked it.
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Lethal Dosage at 11/04/2007 00:23
Personally, I don't see a gigantic difference between the two.

Phantasmagoria is misogynistic violence for misogynistic violence's sake.

Manhunt 2 is deplorable violence for deplorable violence's sake.

They're both likely offensive to the majority of people out there, though what we view as offensive is purely objective. Personally, if I had to choose to be more offended by one, Phantasmagoria would get the nod, simply for the use of FMVs. I'm not offended by either at all, though. Go go desensitizing.
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Lethal Dosage at 11/04/2007 00:24
Purely subjective, rather. That's subjective.

It's late.
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Jim Sterling at 11/04/2007 00:26
I'm not offended by either myself. My point is, Phantasmagoria's death scenes were entertaining while Manhunt's 2 are completely devoid of any heart whatsoever.
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Cheeburga at 11/04/2007 00:33
Brutal.
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Fullgore at 11/04/2007 00:33
Who's to say that it doesn't? I found it very entertaining in that Tarantino-style, cartoony violence. Stabbing someone? Not funny. While doing it in piggy-back? Hilarious. Made me giggle for sure.

It's a very subjective matter.
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bahss at 11/04/2007 00:37
Jim, I agree with you completely.
The footage just seems lack of anything what-so-ever to make it entertaining.
It does my heart good to see that the majority of people here also feel the same way.
This kind of shit shouldn't be able to garner as much attention as it has, simply because it doesn't represent what games are meant to be. Which, to me, is entertainment. And that...
Is just god awful.

Rockstar's New motto: "Creating controversey for controversey's sake, since GTA."
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Lethal Dosage at 11/04/2007 00:40
I'm amused by both collections of death scenes.

Different strokes, I suppose.
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vexed alex at 11/04/2007 01:03
How does anyone find this entertaining? Gears of War was insanely gory, but you were blowing away alien ass. This is all just over the top insane, torture, psychopath murdering.

It's different in grand theft auto because you don't feel a sense of...torture and it's all in a cartoony fashion but this...I don't know. I would never have fun with this. I still don't think it should be banned, but why would you want this?

It seems as if they sat in a room and said, "how can we kill people in the most sickening and horrifying way for no reason at all?"

"I know! We'll shovel a guy's head off!"

...I feel bad for saying that this game is too much for no reason, but it's true. And I'd sound like a hypocrite for playing games like Mortal Kombat and Gears of War, to other people, but I know as gamers you guys understand the difference between a good spirited fatality and ripping someone's testicles off with some pliers just for the fuck of it.
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Fullgore at 11/04/2007 01:04
I disagree.

I think that the brutality has a purpose. It's letting us, the player, take a glimpse at the sadism of Leo Kasper, and how he has influenced Daniel Lamb into becoming a violent serial killer. The brutality could also be a form of outlet for the personality of "Leo". A way of letting "it all out" at those he feels has wronged him somehow.

That's my way of seeing, anyway
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BlindsideDork at 11/04/2007 01:09
It looks horrible.
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ScottyG at 11/04/2007 01:12
I completely agree about the lack of emotion. For the same reason I don't like slasher movies, the only thing the scenes will evoke out of me is wincing.

...

That's the problem with snuff in general I suppose. You go into it already knowing the ending. At least throw out some witty (or even cringe-worthy) one liners! Hand saw a guy from anus to neck? Make a comment on how he shouldn't be constipated anymore. Smother him with a shopping bag? Drop the classic "paper of plastic" line.

...

On a related note, how exactly does one who isn't an little child die from a plastic bag choking? I mean, it a friggen' plastic bag, just rip it. Maybe I just haven't explored it enough, but it seems pretty simple to me. :p
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Jark212 at 11/04/2007 01:12
an +A for creativity...
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hexfix93 at 11/04/2007 01:14
I mean, to bad the game play is so bad, i would loved playing a game like this if you actually had the control, not just trigger some action sequence. that is what sucks about this game. but watching people get messed up like this is really funny... LOL

ITS FICTION! so its fun...
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nik the anrkist at 11/04/2007 01:23
I agree with everything you just said.
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sbshootme at 11/04/2007 01:24
Well yeah, the game sure looks like poo, but i guess it will be a hit among pubescent boys, maybe a little bit like the faces of death movies or rotten was back in my teenager days.
It's just for showing off, not actually enjoying it or anything.
Lame comparison, i know.
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s0lesurviv0r at 11/04/2007 01:25
"The video you requested is for mature audiences only. According to your player settings you do not meet the minimum age requirements to view this content."

What the hell?
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Deathsaw at 11/04/2007 01:28
This isn't artistic. This is violence for the sake of violence. What makes this enjoyable? Rockstar should stick to beating whores with bats and ping pong.
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Knives at 11/04/2007 01:30
Yeah it just felt empty. It might be because all the scenes are out of context, but I doubt it.

I don't have a lot more to say besides agreeing with Jim.
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jdub28 at 11/04/2007 01:33
If they made it like a survivor horror game with real people rather than zombies it would be fun. Like sam fisher escaping from a jail using only what he can find lying around
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Lethal Dosage at 11/04/2007 01:38
I'm with Fullgore, and Knives brings up a good point. The video was meant to be a demonstration of the various kills. Just because you can use them, doesn't mean you need to in every possible scenario. Obviously, the brutality makes more sense within the context of the story...more particularly when you realize how fucked up the characters are.

By the way, if you guys think Manhunt is 100% devoid of any sort of artistic quality or merit, you need to educate yourself on a series called "August Underground".

That's the real deplorable shit that has no place on this planet.
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BlackDove at 11/04/2007 01:39
I just laughed and laughed while I watched that.

I found it hilarious, that corporate actually approved this and hired full time developers to make this. People are fucking stupid and demented. Sure, I can reason that coders and animators need jobs, and they'll do whatever they need to keep said jobs, but someone had to make the decision that "This is the direction we want to move in".

And what a great direction it is. I just roofled at the different amount of ways that were animated to kill. Someone was being very creative there. What a crying shame - they couldve focused at a more productive direction and maybe accentuate the better things about Grand Theft Auto instead of taking the hooker beating simulator and expanding on it.
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Fullgore at 11/04/2007 01:40
I kinda get the feeling that most people judge the game based solely on the showreel. Not even bothering to check the game out themselves. I may be wrong, and I'm just assuming here but seriously, that's the vibe I'm getting here.

If you haven't, then...

It's empty because you haven't invested any time actually playing the part that comes before these. The tension of finding a proper hiding place, the thrill of inching your way towards your target, the uneasiness you get when you decide to leave the safety of the shadows, the suspense you get when hear those far-off noises, the satisfaction you get when finally manage to bring down your would-be killer. Without these prior moments, your right, these are just acts without emotion, without "heart". Not entertaining at all.
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corneliuscack at 11/04/2007 01:43
oh man, that handsaw to the anus.


umm...back to hello kitty island adventure for me.
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Lucio at 11/04/2007 01:45
Well said Jim. I'm as much for videogame violence as the next gamer, I am for the next Gears of War or Mortal Kombat. But this crap seems far too real and something that should never reach store shelves. It was tasteless, pointless, and plus the graphics suck. Good thing this game wasn't built for the PS3 or 360.
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deadpixel at 11/04/2007 01:49
I couldn't even watch that whole video - I can't even see how anyone can call that fun. It's like having to sit through all those damn Japanese RPG cutscenes that you just can't skip, except instead of funky haired big eye children talking about saving the Earth from the evil corporation, you're stick will seeing a man getting half his faced pulled off with a crow bar.

Seriously it's true, Rockstar can't do anything but make a GTA game, everything else they do is undeserving of any attention no matter how retarded/violent the subject matter is.
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Volcanon at 11/04/2007 01:50
lol the saw kills were the best.

Also, someone should superimpose Jack Thompson's head onto all of the victims and have that Benny Hill song playing in the background :)
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Topher Cantler at 11/04/2007 01:57
Couldn't have put it better, Jim. Nice writeup.
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Topher Cantler at 11/04/2007 01:57
Couldn't have put it better, Jim. Nice writeup.
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Knives at 11/04/2007 01:59
@Fullgore

I know the feeling i would get watching any of those scenes while playing the game would be different, but still, the lack of emotion is a turn off, at least to me.

I admit that I haven't played Manhunt, but you mention being tense, feeling satisfaction and all that while playing, why is that not reflected in the character in those vids? I could be missing something critical for not playing the game or maybe they just cut out some stuff, but is that how the character is supposed to act?
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