Why can't developers especially, who apparently have no scope of reality, simply focus on writing a well rounded, strong, normal fucking human being before even considering what sort of genitals they have? Where is the to the point, no nonsense Ripley types in my video games? The kinds of women who act like real people?
I failed to see the glee. I think that was just what you wanted to see.
Also, doesn't this whole controversy show that despite how far we think we may have come in gender politics, we still view women as weak victims who need to be protected?
I think its far to hasty right now to say they're trying to hard at anything.. I don't think we can really say one way or another till we actually play the full game and see how all of these elements come together.. I'm willing to bet though, that the end result ends up being far from what people come at it thinking it'll be.
Honestly, its no different then sticking a female as the protagonist of a horror movie.. Only its a video game, so people ramp up the "oh shit!!" to 1million and forget that this shits been done before, to death, in other mediums. Cause, you know, actually manipulating the fictional situation is SOOOO much different then being fed it in another way (/eyeroll)
Oh, The way you wrote it made it sound like you were speaking on a game to game basis, not on a thematic basis. I misunderstood that much, sorry.
The rest of what you said, yeahhhhh. She's portrayed as a trope; a trite "victim" that portrays a strong woman character no better than any one of the whimpering "I've had enough" Lifetime original movie characters. Just because it isn't something that's done in games a lot doesn't mean it's of any quality, it's obvious why they've portrayed her this way and it has absolutely nothing to do with anything outside of appealing to their target audience of AAA cinematic meatfarm lovers.
Would you rather she go back to being a pair of boobs is hotpants?
Yeah, "The Survivor" is a cliche, but at least it isn't insulting to my intellegence like the original character.
The Trailer sums the new direction best...
"I don't think I'm that kinda Croft..."
"Sure you are, You just don't know it yet"
This is the Casino Royal of tomb raider, After this people will never look back to the old day.
Otherwise I'd really like to play this. I'm just fed up with dumbed down corridor shooters.
I want Tomb Raider to be a platform puzzler with an enphasis on exploration.
This and Dinosaurs, Yeti, Ancient Greek Temples,... you get the picture.
I think the new settig of this game is maybe to serious for its own good.
Definitly not what I want out of my Tomb Raider. I want adventure, not survival.
I really enjoyed playing Anniversary, the only thing they really should have improved on was the combat, otherwise I was fine.
As an aside, though. The producer hyping the attempted rape elements as part of the audience "connecting" with Lara has really thrown me for a loop. It's like endangering babies in movies or showcasing booty in rap videos. It's a shortcut to get around applying any creative effort.
I can perfectly understand the "You'll want to protect her" tweet, because the developers obviously want you to sympathize with Lara and feel better for her when she does become strong, overcomes the situation and stabs some rapist in the dick when you press A button as the prompt appears on the screen.
I'd rather there not be some wild pretense that this is somehow how a strong woman character is portrayed, and that this is an entirely artistic move. She used to be a pair of tits that got the job done, just like a man would for the most part, and you could have replaced her in any one of those games with a man and that sense of strength would not have gone up or down. Now the dev/publisher want you acutely aware that she's this fragile woman... who just happens to mow down baddies as though she were an unstoppable killing machine.
A female character with big tits who does everything any male character would have done in her situation, that's offensive. A whimpering female character who is dodging rapings and falling victim to trope after trope, that's not offensive? Gotta give me a break on that one.
And I frankly find it more than a little insulting that these morons don't give Crystal Dynamics the credit that they can depict a rape attempt tastefully and with respect to the subject matter, when all the previously released promotional material suggests that they very well CAN. I feel that neither Crystal Dynamics, nor video games as a medium deserve "fans" like those people (let's not even get into the argument of how they are retarding the maturation of the medium by opposing this new reboot), and I feel kinda sorry for the studio for having to put up with mongoloids like them.
I myself see a mature, better Uncharted starring a girl, with Metroid-like level design, gritty, realistic action and superb environmental interaction. In other words: exactly the kind of video game the medium needs.
And it's coming to the PC, so you can play it act 60 frames per second.
Imagine that. Uncharted, but even better, and at 60 frames per second. Holy shit this will be incredible!
It's been a while since you've said something and I've flat out agreed with you, but I think you understand this issue better than most people, especially those in the press. They're trying too hard. They didn't set out to make torture porn, but that's how it's coming off to a lot of people because they have their entire message fucked up. They're failing at what they claim they're trying to do.
"Lauren Wainwright, staff writer for MCV and hardcore Tomb Raider fan, explained how she had always projected herself onto Lara, and how she now feels sidelined and snubbed by the idea of a Lara we would rather protect and care about like a strong boyfriend, rather than play as and feel empowered by."
This really hit the nail on the head for me. Having a weak, defenseless Lara that we NEED and HAVE to save from her screams and her cries and her beatings is ridiculous. Why do we NEED to do that? Yes, her past character was overly sexualized, but why does the opposite need to be weak and defenseless? It's not "better", it's just another problematic aspect of how women are portrayed in media and in society as a whole.
Like you said, I appreciate what CD is *trying* to do, and your wife is right. If this were a real situation she would be having to deal with those very real fears and threats. But the way they've tackling those threats is done very, very poorly. At least from what they've shown us and told us. I see your wife is rubbing off on you Jim (in a completely non sexual way). Glad to hear it.
Also: lol @ TheEvil1 completely missing the point. Somebody didn't read the article now did they?
But I’m sure as hell not going back to play it.
I think the most we can gleam from this controversy right now is that developers should watch what they say in interviews, or how they say it at least.
I am apparently a boneheaded misogynist and too blind to see it. I had NO IDEA there was all this controversy over the new Tomb Raider game. Absolutely zero. Furthermore, the understandable, personal stands gamers have taken regarding the projected/promoted subject matter never once cultivated any resemblance of a passing thought in my head. Not even a spark. I'm still somewhat incapable of fully acknowledging such at this point i.e. seems a bit overwrought and unwarranted, but we all have our passions and opinions. Perhaps I'm sorely desensitized due to all the exploitative films and brutal literature I have absorbed over my lifetime. I dunno. I just audibly sighed.
I'm embarrassed at this point that I'm so very cold hearted and insensitive to such degree that none of this ever crossed my mind. I like to think that I hold women in very high regard, but by that rationale I should be spitting venom at the Crystal Dynamics, yet I'm not. The game, setting, themes and so forth seem spot on to me and I simply cannot jump on board with the outcries. *shrugs* I want the game badly and think it looks brilliant. Anyways. JIm's article is excellent as is par for the course.
The whole womans portrayal in video games thing has gotten so out of hand, the flames fanned by this sites own contibutors (looking at that ungodly sophie prell skyrim article, such garbage), that really the only recourse at this point is to inform folks to STFU and stop being such ignorant jackasses.
If you dont agree with how a particular sex is portrayed in a video game then too bad, shut your stupid mouth, and try to learn to see outside your little tissue box. Period, the end.
But then if I don't buy it I'll be making a statement that I support rape culture for not supporting the evolved Lara as opposed to the big breasted anti-feminist Lara.
But then if I don't buy it I'm avoiding being a part of the rape culture by not enjoying a game where a woman is victimized.
But then if I buy it I will be showing that I don't support rape culture because she doesn't actually get raped, and surviving an attempted rape demonstrates she's empowered and capable.
But then if I don't buy it I'm showing I support rape culture because i was willing to buy the previous games which depict her as an unrealistically proportioned woman (the flatter the chest and wider the waist the more realistic, right?).
But then if I buy the game and being male I'm misogynistic and demonstrating that I want a game that's all about rape and flat chested skinny women that are so not whores and don't deserve this.
Will someone with a vagina please tell me what the right choice is so I'm not a rape culture supporter please?
Everyone complains about female leads being nothing more than heavily sexualized eye candy->Someone tries a different approach where the focus is on overcoming adversity->Everyone complains even louder->Developers realize it's easier to make fucktoys with bit tits than challenge the status quo even slightly.
FUCK this industry. I'm out.
No one is saying you support shit. Go back to your comfort zone.
One game portrays a women in a tough situation who *might* get raped, everyone offended.
Remind me what sexism is again?
Money is the great equalizer.
Kind of puts a nail in the coffin of the "feminists just like to complain" argument, don't it you dismissive little twats?
Many, actually. Don't even get me started about holding open doors, or looking at a woman for longer than .0032 seconds, especially if they're showing cleavage, because looking at cleavage supports rape culture almost as much as holding open doors.
@RevRighteous
How about those comedic nut-shots that have been happening to men in games for ages? Remember "Testikill"? Sexual battery against men is comedy! Almost but not really sexual battery against women is monstrous!
I agree with your wife that some of the villains Lara encounters would inevitably try to sexually abuse Lara in some way. They're unrepentant villains, so they wouldn't even try to hide it like the secret villains of civilized suburbia.
I'm not sure the gaming world is ready to handle it with the appropriate level of maturity.
We won't be finding out yet, as CD has now stated that it's merely the creepy guy scene from the crossroads trailer, and not an attempted rape after all. Technically, it's a moment of molestation/harassment followed by his head being blown apart and Lara in a bit of shock.
As such, I'm okay with it. It's sufficient. I think Master Chief would have done the same.
How many feminists wrote praising those games (or any games!) compared to how many wrote dissecting them to bash them? More importantly, this is like the poster child for feminist wailing and gnashing of teeth. First Tomb raider is ridiculed as an over-sexed male power fantasy made for pre-pubescent boys, and an insult to women. So the studio goes the other way, more realistic, and now it is ridiculed as rape-flavored power fantasy for pre-pubescent boys. Seems like someone is still complaining. *Nail still out of coffin*
@Icehearted
You're right; I forgot to ad the omnipresent nut-shot to the list.
What bothers me is that so many people seem to have a problem with Lara showing weakness through her, in my opinion, quite realistic screams of fear and pain. So what if she screams? She's still actually being proactive about her situation. I've always hated the stereotypical female badasses we've been peppered with in recent years; pathetic attempts to inject some feminism into storytelling. I'll take someone like Ellen Ripley, Buffy Summers, or Katniss Everdeen, someone who is actually allowed to show fear and weakness, over the over-sexualized, stereotypical, fetishist "badass chick" that keep getting written. The new Lara Croft is a step in the right direction. She's tough and determined, is dressed somewhat realistically, and hasn't been robbed of her relatable human frailties. And besides, it's pretty obvious that she's supposed to go through some sort of transformative arc throughout the game, from regular college girl to tomb-raiding warrior.
I second the John McClane preference. A good comparison, and my exact point. No one is upset when they portray a man being beat near to death on his road to victory, so why now with a woman? I can understand some long-term fans not liking any sort of change, but how in the hell is it sexist to portray a woman going through trials and tribulations that plenty of male characters have been shown enduring? Guess you can't win for losing with some people.
I second the John McClane preference. A good comparison, and my exact point. No one is upset when they portray a man being beat near to death on his road to victory, so why now with a woman? I can understand some long-term fans not liking any sort of change, but how in the hell is it sexist to portray a woman going through trials and tribulations that plenty of male characters have been shown enduring? Guess you can't win for losing with some people.

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