1.stick a female character in you game
THE END
no matter how they are represented, complaints all around
oh no to fat, to skinny, to beautiful, to ugly, to strong, to weak,
not accurate enough, to accurate
can these feminists give the game industry a break or what?
For gods sake
Hopefully when the game comes out the only thing that will seem exploitative will be the marketing, not the game's narrative.
okay, sorry.
Ahem, well, i think the only thing done completely wrong here (and i *would* want a different Tomb Raider game, then the one being made, but it's something i don't consider "wrong), is how that PR guy went with rape as a pr thing. It was a very silly move. It makes them look bad and will make the impact of the situation in game much smaller.
If you can't understand why Crystal Dynamic's/Sqeenix's promotion of this game could very definitely be considered classless/offensive, then for one moment please take a look at the community around us, and this game's obvious target audience. The trend of targeting the gamers who love visceral cinematic experiences with big set pieces and "press X for viscera" gameplay has never seemed so pronounced, and this crowd has never been known for being on the generous side of accepting.
We don't need the hyperbole, I get that. But to pretend like we can put our prejudices on display, then defend them as non-factors, that is the most harmful of all.
If you can't understand why Crystal Dynamic's/Sqeenix's promotion of this game could very definitely be considered classless/offensive, then for one moment please take a look at the community around us, and this game's obvious target audience. The trend of targeting the gamers who love visceral cinematic experiences with big set pieces and "press X for viscera" gameplay has never seemed so pronounced, and this crowd has never been known for being on the generous side of accepting.
We don't need the hyperbole, I get that. But to pretend like we can put our prejudices on display, then defend them as non-factors, that is the most harmful of all.
I don't have an issue with an attempted rape being in the game. My only issue with the Kotaku interview was the idea that we, as players, don't project ourselves onto Lara.
Of course we fucking do!
I'm a huge Tomb Raider fan. I love Lara. I love her character, style and one bad-ass lady. She might have had assets that gave some guys a boner but she had the attitude that made me cheer for her. We cheered for her. She was one of the girls!
On the rape though;
I've read a few interviews and am shocked by the sheer amount of people working on the game who seem to think it's really cool to want to be the big man and look after poor ol' Lara.
I love the fact she is going through hell and back and is dealing with it AS A WOMAN. Not as an avatar being controlled by a man. You might be moving her about yourself but she is a character with a story and a future. She shouldn't be rendered down to simply 'the player' and that's how she is good at anything. She has her own worth.
Plus, the 'rape' scene we are all getting angry about? It's implied. She doesn't get raped. The trailer we all saw contained the whole scene (from that I've been told by CD employees/PR) and if a bit of light touching and neck kissing offends you so much then it might be worth turning off your TV and never going back.
Using rape as a story tool is a little clique when it comes to woman. In entertainment pop culture female characters can look forward to being impregnated, raped, abused, bullied, etc. Everywhere has done it from Desperate Housewives, Batman Arkham Asylum to GTAIV and Star Trek.
While I celebrate CD trying something more adult in video game form, I don't get why we're all going mental over something that we've been watching on our TV and in our cinemas for years.
I can concede to many of your points, though. If, in the end, this could all be chalked up to bad (baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad...) marketing and PR... I think I'd be willing to give the game a shot.
Seems like a good time... Well, not for them, but for me, a member of the "Shooting Rapist in the face is fun" society...
If you are against shooting rapist in the face, you are pro-rape!
Just by looking at the different pictures Jim used in this editorial... is it just me, or are Lara's jugs constantly shrinking and growing depending on the picture they feel like choosing?
You are fueling those who are "opportunistically offended." Anyone that is genuinely and seriously offended by this is probably offended by the shape of a banana, too.
Somebody please, tell me an easy way to demonstrate a character is strong in an adventure game without making him/her overcoming hard situations. I think is hard to do that with any character (female or not) if you don't want to explain it all in videos, but this is a videogame and it's supossed to be played.
But with that beautiful and young Lara screaming for everything I understand the issue.
Something we need to know about you, Mr. Developer?
The way they're talking about it absolutely ridiculous. Rape isn't this throwaway plot device. It's a serious thing that ruins lives. If you can't handle it maturely without blurting out "HEY GUYS SHE'S A TUFF ONE THAT LARA SHE GETS RAPED" then sorry but I am going to have to pass on a game I was otherwise looking forward too.
No, we are watching her grow from a spoiled rich girl to a bad ass...
What part of that is so hard to grasp? they call the ship "The Endurance" for gods sake.
Just like movies, video games are evolving. In a few years, a rape seen will be just as common as seeing one taking place on CSI: Miami.
These are the steps people, just step aside and let them happen.
they might make her look weak but she's still swingin' round bow-ing and punching people in their face's covered in a years supply of fresh blood.
I don't know what people call weak these days but I wouldn't be able to survive one day on a freaking deserted island.
hell i wouldn't survive being locked out of my house for 5 whole minutes.
You are exactly what he's talking about. Insisting people are "opportunistically offended" is a prime example of refusing to even TRY to understand where people are coming from. The idea that folks just spend time, for NO reason (because what are they going to gain? Money? Their name in lights? What are the stakes, honestly?), "trying" to get offended about things?
Besides, no one is really honestly "offended" here, they're just discussing the possible implications of a rape scene in an established game franchise featuring a well-known female character. You come off as just completely dismissive, thinking that a contentious discussion = offense, and especially to imply that said offense is just manufactured for grins.
Some people actually care about what the things that come out of our culture imply, and what they'll affect.
Personally I'm worried about how they're handling it, because the industry seriously doesn't need another Other M and that interview with Rosenberg doesn't inspire confidence in their approach to the subject. But, it could just be earnest missteps on their part, they have time to turn it around and get their message across properly.
Wait, what? We're watching her grow from an unstoppable rich woman who kills condors for fun into a badass that gets her ass kicked every few seconds... in an origin story? So growth works in reverse somehow?
You do realize they're trying to make her more vulnerable, and less badass, right? It's kinda the point of nearly all the hoopla surrounding this game, and at the base of the base of this article.
You have to understand how ironic it is that you'd claim someone not grasping something when you seem to not grasp the largest and most obvious aspect of this whole thing.
It's not about how "progressive" having such a scene in a videogame is or having such a scene at all, it's about how it gets promoted by the people who have made the game.
The PR department are a bunch of dummies that made a serious issue unsavory and further cement the view that videogames are not a serious medium for entertainment.
*Anyone* taking on an island full of murderous sociopaths shouldn't be a lighthearted adventure. You should actually give a shit about what happens. Guess it took a woman to do a man's job.
Quoted for truth. The dismissive attitude towards any kind of controversy is the most obnoxious thing in any kind of discourse and the prime example of the "I have it ALL figured out" way of thinking.
The one-time cover model of The Face magazine suddenly being raped and tortured? Fox News will have a field day! Look at how pathetic the "controversy" over Mass Effect got, and that was over a bit of side boob.
maybe you misunderstood the original point was to make her go from
"oh my god how did i get here and what do I do" to the tomb raider you know from other games thus weak -> strong.
i don't know if they've changed that but it was the original point.
ps. this game takes place before she became badass
As for the violence, other than the arrow neck stab performed by Lara, nothing else reply stands out, although all I've seen of the game is what was shown during E3'11 & E3'12.
It certainly wasn't on Passion of the Christ's level of "violence for the sake of violence even though we're trying to make it meaningful and turning Jesus into a Sloppy Joe".
It's a reboot... She's starting from scratch as a character...
A spoiled rich people murder defenseless birds all the time, remember when the last VP shot his friend in the face quail hunting?
And I didn't really see her "Get her ass kicked" She killed a pirate who was almost twice her size with her hands tied behind her back.
Yeah, She's not Bayonetta, but she is a fairly realistic portrayal of a survivor, not a comic book heroine
You raise all good points, I think the bulk of the issue here is the insistence on focusing on all these Lara is so weak moments, yes the whole point is for her overcome and become the Lara we know, but it doesn't change the fact that all we see are these terrible videos where she's grunting and moaning at every step, the producer talking about the whole rape thing with such glee is another huge issue.
And may I just say to the people saying stop getting so offended, rape isn't funny and it should not be used as a marketing tool.
or is anyone here going to say that rape is something that doesn't exist and we should all feel bad for talking about it and leaving no "trigger" warnings?
for the first time we have Lara Croft that's much more human than past "blowup doll" entries in the series.
this whole "scandal" just proves the fact that all those people are complete retards and nothing else - we've seen literally 5minutes of the 12+ hour long game taken completely out of context. not to mention it's an ORIGIN story so Lara is not a badass, shooting every person/animal in the face.
how the fuck does new Tomb Raider portray "male power" exactly? i would really love to know that.
Feminism isn't women first, it's wanting women to be equal to men.
It just bugs me when the comments that could otherwise be intelligent turn out to sound misogynist.
Anyways, going along with the whole "women have to overcome personal tragedy" thing, why is it that men always have to end up as gruff, sarcastic borderline antiheroes these days. I'm reminded of James Heller and how that one betrayal towards the end of the game is ALL HIS FAULT because he wouldn't stop being a jackass for five minutes.

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