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Shamefull tabloid "journalism" it makes me sad to be brittish as its one of the highest selling papers in the country and why? It has the literate complexity of a see spot run book, and it has tits.
Is it wrong that I respect the Daily Sport more than The Sun?
"MASSIVE TATTIES on Pages Front to Back!"
"MASSIVE TATTIES on Pages Front to Back!"
OMG, I just found out there's no Daily Sport anymore. What has this Great British Island of Something come to?
Shocked and appalled. Where am I supposed to look for Essex girls with big baps now? On the internet?! Pah! Don't make me laugh!
Shocked and appalled. Where am I supposed to look for Essex girls with big baps now? On the internet?! Pah! Don't make me laugh!
lol, I think they're confusing MS for Sony.
If they're looking for a hacking story, I'm pretty sure something of Sony's got hacked/breached this week.
Oh well...
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
If they're looking for a hacking story, I'm pretty sure something of Sony's got hacked/breached this week.
Oh well...
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Wow I usually don't complain about this but you posted the same thing a few days ago.I also find it funny because among the "LOL SUN" posts were about 4-6 people who have been hacked and are being screwed by Microsoft customer service.
The FIFA hacking is a real issue but it's not Sony so move along.
The FIFA hacking is a real issue but it's not Sony so move along.
The Sun is SERIOUSLY SHIT! Made for the type of people who are mentioned as "angry readers". 'Tards from the council estates who feel falsely entitled to riches.
Fuck em all... enjoy your paper.
Fuck em all... enjoy your paper.
Damn, my last comment was a bit harsh. I used to live on an estate, not meant to be a sweeping generalisation.
Sorry heh :p
...The Sun still sux tho.
Sorry heh :p
...The Sun still sux tho.
Refund policies? Microsoft will charge you on dead credit cards and force you into getting new year subscription's of Xbox Live. I would not be surprised if it was Microsoft committing the phishing scams. They are currently the biggest ripoff artists in the gaming industry.
Well, it's Microsoft, so accusations of fraud really don't surprise me. They're not the most moral company, knowingly rushing out a defective console, and then ignoring these hacks.
@mix Yeah, for sure. If this was Sony related it'd be a much different story. But since it's Microsoft... defense force to the rescue!
@mix Yeah, for sure. If this was Sony related it'd be a much different story. But since it's Microsoft... defense force to the rescue!
Finally The Sun prints some "real" news.
Unlike the Sony hack,hundreds of people (including 2 friends of mine) actually lost money from the FIFA 12 hack, yet MS is denying it ever happened.
I wonder if MS,and EA payed off the "Mainstream" media to sweep this one under the rug.
Unlike the Sony hack,hundreds of people (including 2 friends of mine) actually lost money from the FIFA 12 hack, yet MS is denying it ever happened.
I wonder if MS,and EA payed off the "Mainstream" media to sweep this one under the rug.
The Sun said something stupid about videogames. Jim Sterling called them idiots. People say slow news day.
When did JOURNALISM(!) become so boring and regular?
When did JOURNALISM(!) become so boring and regular?
I lost $300 on the FIFA 12 hacks and M$ only gave me back two free months of XBL Gold Codes and $60 dollars. I never go to bullshit phising sites or use "password" as my password. M$ kept telling me to buy a virus scanner and stuff to see what I did wrong. I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one. While the Sun is trying to make a buck on a sensationalist story, there is some truth behind it.
After I got fucked by them I did the only thing any logical, rational guy would do. Returned my entire Xbox 360 collection to Game$top for $800+ dollars and got a new PS3 slim with a bunch of exclusive games I never got a chance to play. All in all, I'm much happier and I don't need to put my credit card on file to use it properly. GG
After I got fucked by them I did the only thing any logical, rational guy would do. Returned my entire Xbox 360 collection to Game$top for $800+ dollars and got a new PS3 slim with a bunch of exclusive games I never got a chance to play. All in all, I'm much happier and I don't need to put my credit card on file to use it properly. GG
So what DID happen with the FIFA deal? A LOT of people seem to have been screwed over badly, but I'm seeing very little details. What's the real story? As MCBattery said, this turned out to be a much more damaging situation that the Sony hacking, so why isn't there a bigger fuss from the gaming media?
Yeah, the Sun is crap, and I'm sure most of their article is garbage, but why are they the only ones pushing through on this?
Yeah, the Sun is crap, and I'm sure most of their article is garbage, but why are they the only ones pushing through on this?
@Vallanthaz
Seems that way to me as well. I also never heard of a single Credit Card being compromised from the Sony intrusion.
@MCBattery
I've read a few stories on the front pages as well as from people in the forums here.
Double Standards I suppose.
Seems that way to me as well. I also never heard of a single Credit Card being compromised from the Sony intrusion.
@MCBattery
I've read a few stories on the front pages as well as from people in the forums here.
Double Standards I suppose.
Who's, I never even heard about this FIFA scandal. Did it effect only people who played that game? /off to google
The funniest thing is that everytime that a Jim's article are received with more criticism than praise he never answer to others comments.
The Sun are hardly in the position to criticise MS for covering up a hacking scandal. Not after the News of World fuck-up.
@Arttemis
The more I read, the more widespread it looks.
http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/10/20/microsoft-responds-to-fifa-12-hacks/
People who haven't used their Live accounts in months or years claim to have been hit, so the phishing thing doesn't seem to hold water. And no, people without FIFA 12 have been hit.
Really strange that so few of the gaming blogs are bothering with this. Honestly, it looks like all Sony had to do was deny that anything happened when they got hacked, and the gaming press would have gone away.
The more I read, the more widespread it looks.
http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/10/20/microsoft-responds-to-fifa-12-hacks/
People who haven't used their Live accounts in months or years claim to have been hit, so the phishing thing doesn't seem to hold water. And no, people without FIFA 12 have been hit.
Really strange that so few of the gaming blogs are bothering with this. Honestly, it looks like all Sony had to do was deny that anything happened when they got hacked, and the gaming press would have gone away.
People are getting hacked.
MS gets hacked a lot, people get money stolen and says nothing about = Nobody says shit.
Sony gets hacked, NOBODY gets money stolen, and tells the world (though late) = People shit on Sony.
Hypocrisy and bias.
MS gets hacked a lot, people get money stolen and says nothing about = Nobody says shit.
Sony gets hacked, NOBODY gets money stolen, and tells the world (though late) = People shit on Sony.
Hypocrisy and bias.
In all fairness, this could be collateral damage from the PSN debacle. I''m sure there are some who had shared email/ password combos between their PSN / Xbox LIVE accounts that were never changed on LIVE after the breach of PSN's unencrypted consumer data sets.
It'd take months to sift through the data before we'd start hearing about cross-platform blowback from the PSN scandal. I'm sure more than a few iTunea accounts were compromised as well.
Whatever the problem is, Sony related or not, I hoped it's sorted out quickly.
It'd take months to sift through the data before we'd start hearing about cross-platform blowback from the PSN scandal. I'm sure more than a few iTunea accounts were compromised as well.
Whatever the problem is, Sony related or not, I hoped it's sorted out quickly.
I'm not sure, for once there actually does seem to something going on here. There's definitely something going on with this whole Fifa thing - and it's happened to far too many people for it to be your average phishing scam.
With regards to 'The Sun'? Well... throw enough shit and eventually you'll get a bullseye.
With regards to 'The Sun'? Well... throw enough shit and eventually you'll get a bullseye.
@Arrtemis:
No. Apparently this year's FIFA included tradeable collectible cards as DLC.
You can't really judge the size of what happened, because most of the reports came from message boards. Only a handful of game news sites (like Eurogamer) bothered to report it.
Microsoft said a "limited number" of people contacted them, but you can't entirely trust that, as word fairly quickly spread that reporting to Microsoft meant your account would be suspended for a month for an investigation. At least some people, particularly if they only lost a little money, decided not to even report for that reason.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-14-xbl-accounts-hacked-to-buy-fifa-packs
No. Apparently this year's FIFA included tradeable collectible cards as DLC.
You can't really judge the size of what happened, because most of the reports came from message boards. Only a handful of game news sites (like Eurogamer) bothered to report it.
Microsoft said a "limited number" of people contacted them, but you can't entirely trust that, as word fairly quickly spread that reporting to Microsoft meant your account would be suspended for a month for an investigation. At least some people, particularly if they only lost a little money, decided not to even report for that reason.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-14-xbl-accounts-hacked-to-buy-fifa-packs
@pokota Right...Sony catches a total shitstorm for waiting a few days to find proof before they announce to the public they have been hacked.
Yet Amid a shit ton of proof,Microsoft still outright denies people are having their money stolen. I find it very odd this info never saw major news coverage? Hmmm
Yet Amid a shit ton of proof,Microsoft still outright denies people are having their money stolen. I find it very odd this info never saw major news coverage? Hmmm
KwikPwn - "this could be collateral damage from the PSN debacle"
Awesome. Absolutely awesome. Never change, man.
But yeah, the people responsible for the PSN situation probably waited around for half a year for FIFA 12 to be released, despite the risk that a lot of those passwords would be changed in the meantime, then use them all at once. That's totally what I would do.
Awesome. Absolutely awesome. Never change, man.
But yeah, the people responsible for the PSN situation probably waited around for half a year for FIFA 12 to be released, despite the risk that a lot of those passwords would be changed in the meantime, then use them all at once. That's totally what I would do.
@ MCBattery
"Yet Amid a shit ton of proof,Microsoft still outright denies people are having their money stolen. I find it very odd this info never saw major news coverage?"
They never said that, you're putting words in their mouth. They simply said there was no evidence of hacking - which is potentially entirely true. Basically all they've said is that, as far as they're aware, it's not their fault.
Whether or not the media response to this story is fair is ultimately irrelevant. Personally I agree, this should be being reported more widely, but that's no reason to blatantly make shit up. Theorise conspiracies all you like, but don't bend the facts. That makes you just as guilty as you claim they are.
"Yet Amid a shit ton of proof,Microsoft still outright denies people are having their money stolen. I find it very odd this info never saw major news coverage?"
They never said that, you're putting words in their mouth. They simply said there was no evidence of hacking - which is potentially entirely true. Basically all they've said is that, as far as they're aware, it's not their fault.
Whether or not the media response to this story is fair is ultimately irrelevant. Personally I agree, this should be being reported more widely, but that's no reason to blatantly make shit up. Theorise conspiracies all you like, but don't bend the facts. That makes you just as guilty as you claim they are.
According to Microsoft "[We can] confirm that there has been no breach to the security of our Xbox LIVE service." So someone here is lying or straight up misinformed about what's actually going on. Since more people are starting to come out about this something definitely seems off. Is it possible that previous EA and other breaches are causing an overlap? Either way stolen CCs aren't cool no matter the platform of choice and hopefully this gets fixed asap.
@MCBattery What proof? All we have is anecdotal evidence and nothing more. The Sony hack had a lot more then that including individuals who warned them about weaknesses. This issue needs more investigation to see if it's a real 'hack' as gamers claim or just overlap/phishing from previous incidents.
@MCBattery What proof? All we have is anecdotal evidence and nothing more. The Sony hack had a lot more then that including individuals who warned them about weaknesses. This issue needs more investigation to see if it's a real 'hack' as gamers claim or just overlap/phishing from previous incidents.
I have been hearing a lot of stuff about accounts being hacked on video game message boards. Apparently I've also heard that EA was hacked and some people that had their gamertag and EA accounts linked were hacked? I don't know, maybe I made that up, and maybe the sun also made it up.
@llort het
EA boards were compromised earlier this year with PII being exposed or whatever individuals used but no credit card data was taken according to them.
EA boards were compromised earlier this year with PII being exposed or whatever individuals used but no credit card data was taken according to them.
I myself believe there might be some truth to this article.
My own Xbox live account was hacked last month.... The hackers bought about $80 worth of MS points on my account. I called MS and they acted like it was an isolated incident. I got my money back, and MS is still "investigating".
I find it hard to believe that even the SUN would make this kind of story up from thin air.
My own Xbox live account was hacked last month.... The hackers bought about $80 worth of MS points on my account. I called MS and they acted like it was an isolated incident. I got my money back, and MS is still "investigating".
I find it hard to believe that even the SUN would make this kind of story up from thin air.
@Relic28 This quote from MS themselves Is more than enough proof.
"We are working with our impacted members directly to resolve any unauthorized changes to their accounts"
Right there they are admitting that "something" is going on,yet they still have not gone public warning that this is happening.
Be it a hack,or a phishing attack, the public at large has a right to know about this so they can take proper precautions.
"We are working with our impacted members directly to resolve any unauthorized changes to their accounts"
Right there they are admitting that "something" is going on,yet they still have not gone public warning that this is happening.
Be it a hack,or a phishing attack, the public at large has a right to know about this so they can take proper precautions.
I've had something happen to me recently, as well.
Someone tried to buy MS points on my account, but couldn't.
Someone tried to buy MS points on my account, but couldn't.
@MCBattery That's not real proof of hacking, it's just them acknowledging they are working with phishing victims which most companies would do as a gesture of good will.
We cannot hold companies responsible for phishing attacks since that is OUR responsibility in today's age, not theirs. However if an actual 'hack' took place with someone compromising the LIVE servers go right ahead with your pitchfork, especially since they are downplaying it when eyebrow raisers like inactive accounts are claimed to have been hit.
We cannot hold companies responsible for phishing attacks since that is OUR responsibility in today's age, not theirs. However if an actual 'hack' took place with someone compromising the LIVE servers go right ahead with your pitchfork, especially since they are downplaying it when eyebrow raisers like inactive accounts are claimed to have been hit.
"Be it a hack,or a phishing attack, the public at large has a right to know about this so they can take proper precautions."
Yes, but the proper precautions change depending on what the issue is. Since they aren't sure they're directing people to their standard Xbox Live safety page - which covers all the bases. Again, since (as far as they know) the problem is not on their end there's very little they can do other than cover the bases as usual.
If it's a hack that isn't on their side - they've no way of knowing until it goes public. In which case one would hope they would act accordingly.
By all means if it turns out to be MS that is at fault, then yes it's a serious internal issue for them. Until that's proven, however, it's difficult to gauge. They can't very well force people to keep their details safe and use multiple passwords for everything - that's just bloody common sense, as is not giving out your password. Not to mention there are plenty of warnings and information on account safety available at xbox.com.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate, but it would be silly to place blame at this stage without knowing all the facts. As such we can only draw judgements from the little that has been released so far.
Yes, but the proper precautions change depending on what the issue is. Since they aren't sure they're directing people to their standard Xbox Live safety page - which covers all the bases. Again, since (as far as they know) the problem is not on their end there's very little they can do other than cover the bases as usual.
If it's a hack that isn't on their side - they've no way of knowing until it goes public. In which case one would hope they would act accordingly.
By all means if it turns out to be MS that is at fault, then yes it's a serious internal issue for them. Until that's proven, however, it's difficult to gauge. They can't very well force people to keep their details safe and use multiple passwords for everything - that's just bloody common sense, as is not giving out your password. Not to mention there are plenty of warnings and information on account safety available at xbox.com.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate, but it would be silly to place blame at this stage without knowing all the facts. As such we can only draw judgements from the little that has been released so far.
@LsTr Of SmG
I agree with you. Something happened, though the only thing we can definitely blame Microsoft for at the moment is downplaying what appears to be a widespread problem, and all corporations do that. Still, I very much hope that they are actively working to nail down exactly how this happened, even if they aren't at fault. If it's not on the Microsoft end, then there has to be some other link.
I'm more troubled by the response from the gaming press, or lack thereof. What we're seeing is that most gaming "news" sites really do nothing except repeat press releases, then tack their own opinions on at the end. An entity like Microsoft says "it's no big deal, move along now" and the gaming press shuffles its feet awkwardly and ambles on to something else. That a creature like The Sun, no matter how ill-intentioned, is one of the few major publications talking about this is kind of disheartening.
I agree with you. Something happened, though the only thing we can definitely blame Microsoft for at the moment is downplaying what appears to be a widespread problem, and all corporations do that. Still, I very much hope that they are actively working to nail down exactly how this happened, even if they aren't at fault. If it's not on the Microsoft end, then there has to be some other link.
I'm more troubled by the response from the gaming press, or lack thereof. What we're seeing is that most gaming "news" sites really do nothing except repeat press releases, then tack their own opinions on at the end. An entity like Microsoft says "it's no big deal, move along now" and the gaming press shuffles its feet awkwardly and ambles on to something else. That a creature like The Sun, no matter how ill-intentioned, is one of the few major publications talking about this is kind of disheartening.
My Live account was hacked four months ago and migrated to a Brazilian email account. Microsoft has done nothing but tell me to create a new Live account. They haven't reimbursed the hundreds of dollars of content I purchased on my Live account that got hacked. So this doesn't surprise me.
@pokota
Totally agreed. It's the lack of media attention I find more troubling, though I don't think it's a case of outlets shuffling along because MS said it was fine. This all kicked off a month ago and even then I didn't see a single story about it on any of the sites I frequent - not even about the initial issue. Usually you at least get that coverage...
I can't really sum it up better than your last line, which bears repeating:
"That a creature like The Sun, no matter how ill-intentioned, is one of the few major publications talking about this is kind of disheartening."
Totally agreed. It's the lack of media attention I find more troubling, though I don't think it's a case of outlets shuffling along because MS said it was fine. This all kicked off a month ago and even then I didn't see a single story about it on any of the sites I frequent - not even about the initial issue. Usually you at least get that coverage...
I can't really sum it up better than your last line, which bears repeating:
"That a creature like The Sun, no matter how ill-intentioned, is one of the few major publications talking about this is kind of disheartening."
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