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[Editor's note: Count Grishnack talks about Final Fantasy VIII for his Monthly Musing piece. -- CTZ]

Many of the entries in this month's Monthly Musings have been colorful and entertaining tales of youth - of unwrapping their first NES and being throughly enthralled with an awesome old-school game or scrimping and saving allowance money to buy that new game that kicked off their love affair with gaming.

Not that these haven't been great reads (the Earthbound one, by Dexter345 especially) or in theme, but my story is a bit different. It doesn't start with my first (or even second) console or a story of eight-year-old me playing these new fangled Nintendos. It's the story of the first game that made me realize that I'm a gamer. 

The Sony PlayStation was the third or fourth console in my gaming career. I had already loved the NES, SNES and Genesis at this point - playing titles like Mario, Sonic, The Star Wars games and many others with my friends. I genuinely loved videogames. But one game took that love to the next level.

I don't remember how I got a PS, what the first game I played on it was or any of that. I do remember that it was a kickass machine. One of my best friends had a PlayStation as well and a bunch of awesome games. One of those games was Final Fantasy VII.

Regarded as one of the best games ever, FFVII is a game, still to this day, I have yet to beat (I know, my RPG gamer card should be revoked). But the next installment in the Final Fantasy series kicked off what can only be called an obsession with RPGs and videogames for me.

The thing that first struck me about FFVIII was that it was four freakin discs. I remember on the car ride back from the mall after getting the game, flipping through the manual and just being amazed that a game could be this ... epic - and that was before playing it.
 

After popping disc one into my PS, the opening cut scene started. The music, the amazing graphics, the introduction to the hero and villain before even playing one second - it all seemed like a movie to me. After playing the game three or four times through, I still get goosebumps after watching that intro.

I had played a few other RPGs before, so FFVIII was familiar, gameplay-wise. I loved the summons - five minute animations and all. I loved tinkering with the junction system, trying to find the perfect combination to beef my stats. I loved flying the Ragnarok around, looking for tougher enemies to throwdown with and power leveling on Cactuar Island. I loved the card game - Triple Triad - so much that I wondered what it would take to make a real-world version of it.


Doomtrain was the man.

I logged over 100 hours on my first play through, making damn sure I exhausted nearly every side quest before taking on the multi-staged and ridiculously epic final boss.

But then I did something I had never done with a game before - I bought a strategy guide. The thing was a tome - it was thicker than most of the books I had read up to that point as a kid - and I did everything in it. From unlocking the myriad of Guardian Forces, to hunting for the rare items to make the best weapons, to bending over backwards to beat Ultima Weapon - I did it all.

In today's GameFAQs.com age, strategy guides are a thing of the past. But after FFVIII, I usually dropped some coin on a strategy guide to go with my RPGs, mainly for that OCD induced sense of completeness. Call me a cheater, but I miss the days of brightly pictured, glossy strat guides giving my detailed maps and telling me "this guy is weak to Ice" right before a big fight.


Shhhh, secret tech.

FFVIII showed me what it's like to be throughly engrossed in a make-believe world. But what's more, is that it showed me what an obsessive and crazy gamer I am. I still love finding hidden things in games - collecting heart containers, finding cog tags or leaping for those last agility spheres. I think I have FFVIII to thank for that.

FFVIII, to me, will always be regarded as the red-headed stepchild to FFVII. FFVII has Sepiroth, it has Aeris' death, it is one of the elite "best game ever?" candidates. But FFVIII shaped me into the gamer I am today. Without it, I don't think I would be nearly as passionate about playing games as I am today.

I played through FFVIII recently - in a time when funds were low and boredom was high - and loved every minute of it. I blew through enemies with my superior knowledge of the junction system, memorized the weaknesses for nearly every boss battle and taught the final boss a lesson for making me sweat gallons years ago wondering "is this the last form of this motherfucker?!"

Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite game of all-time and the game that started a life-long love for games that I don't envision going away anytime soon.

Squall over Cloud for life.

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blehman at 06/17/2008 14:38
That's a cool story man. Personally, I could only get so far in this game because I just got tired of the draw system after 40 or so hours. Nothing wrong with it, just...wore me out man.

I don't know man, I need to play through this again maybe try and finish it.
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Y0j1mb0 at 06/17/2008 14:50
Good read, Count. Glad to see you blogging here again Bro.
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Perry Simm at 06/17/2008 15:16
God, that last boss was a bitch. When I faced him, he had an ridiculous amount of hitpoints, because I thought the "enemies are leveling up with you"-rule only applies to random encounters. So I faced him with Squall on Level 100 - big mistake.

But yeah, I too enjoyed FFVIII more than its predecessor.
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zeph at 06/17/2008 16:51
The end bosses for Final Fantasy VIII were extremely enjoyable because of how ungodly hard they were. I remember getting all the cards in triple triad just so I can convert them to holy wars (I think that was the name of the group invincibility potions). My goal was to defeat the Omega Weapon, and even with the holy wars it took me like a dozen or so tries just to get the system down pat.

Beating the Omega Weapon was a bad idea as I found out because I blew most of my holy wars and this made fighting the last boss extremely difficult. It was a down to the wire event with Irvine pulling a limit break with 1 hp left and the rest of party dead. I remember smashing the controller buttons over and over trying to get as many shots out as possible before the time limit ended. Somehow on the last shot he killed the boss, and I remember screaming like I just won a million dollars!!!

The end bosses of that game were so awesome, and Irvine will always be way cooler that Vincent because of the Hail Mary save he did. I still think Final Fantasy VIII is better than Final Fantasy VII just because how crazy my end bosses experience were.
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Colette Bennett at 06/24/2008 15:37
Fuck YES. I love this game. Great post!
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Kryptinite at 06/24/2008 15:44
This game made me love RPGs. It was the first Final Fantasy I ever played and it was fucking amazing.

Great write up!!!
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demonelite at 06/24/2008 15:47
This was my first Final Fantasy and first RPG I ever played. I cant stress the great place this game has in my heart.

Great article and congrats for getting front paged.
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Icarus-Rising at 06/24/2008 15:57
I share your shame.

I too, have never beat FFVII...I got it for free, played the hell out of it, and ended up never beating it.

Of course, back in those days I didn't beat a LOT of games. 70% of my PS2 and older library, I never beat.
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Newsworthy at 06/24/2008 15:58
....Aeris dies?

I loved VIII, and Quistis haunts many a fantasy of mine. Felt nothing for Rinoa though... Nice work. :)
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Zulu at 06/24/2008 15:58
I always loved Final Fantasy 8. I played it for the first time 2 years ago, and I had those same OCD like tendencies as well. Mainly in the grinding aspect. Later on in the game (disc 3 or 4) I learned that I eventually screwed myself over because I didn't draw from some of the earlier bosses for GF's that I needed. I love that game, but since I spent so many hours on it with so little fruit to bare from it, I just can't take starting it up again.
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Murumasa123 at 06/24/2008 16:04
The one thing that this game did for me (above all others) was make me love classical music as a theme in games within an Intro.
So much so that i practically wet myself at the begging car chase in Alone in the Dark and can't get enough latin sounds from even the likes of SSBB. Stupid ausueme sounding Latin.
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Matlox at 06/24/2008 16:12
Fail for spelling "Grishnackh" wrong.
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eternalplayer2345 at 06/24/2008 16:14
FF8 is my second favorite game of all time, and my favorite rpg ever. I sadly have a screwed up disc one so I'm on the hunt for a replacement copy right now.
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Tekoa at 06/24/2008 16:16
FFVIII is one of the few FF game that i actually lvled my characters to max lvl.
i even spent the time to draw enough ultima spells to make my party immune to all the spells...that took so freakin long.
my head hurts just thinking about it.
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PappaDukes at 06/24/2008 16:26
This game is the sole reason I bought a PS. I was at the doctor's office, in the lobby, suffering from some ailment, and I had remembered a review in some magazine about the game. I had an epiphany at that moment while I waited for sweet, sweet drugs, and I decided then and there, I would take my hard-earned cash, and for the first time ever in my gaming career, I would buy a console, for a game.
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nats at 06/24/2008 16:27
Word! FFVIII was the game that made me a gamer too. The last boss fight Ultimecia/Griever/Both/Freaky-No-Faced-Bitch is still my favorite out of all the games I've played and it's the only game I've liked enough to beat more than once. I really love its music too. Shuffle and Boogie, Fisherman's Horizon, and The Landing are my favorites. It also turned me into a web designer. My first web site was a FFVIII fan site and now I'm studying Digital Art in school.

P.S. If you don't know about them already, there are some Triple Triad programs out there, so you can at least play it on your computer. :P
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KyleGamgee at 06/24/2008 16:43
This game will forever hold a special place in my heart. I played through it at a friend's house, in installments, with him along side me the whole time, helping me get all the GFs.

It's one of those, gaming shaped who I am today and forged lifelong friiendships, helped me find my wife, etc. stories.
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joeisremy at 06/24/2008 16:54
Im glad someone else out there likes it
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SysiphusRock at 06/24/2008 16:59
Easiest FF ever. I was at level 100, by accident, before the end of the third disc. Plus the ridiculous magic system. Other than that, a FANTASTIC story and overall fun game.
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Hoodie at 06/24/2008 17:01
Good to see FFVIII get some love! Personally, I loved the non-SD character design. Squall was so... glam. And the characters went to a high school especially for badasses. Yes!
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dcxoffender at 06/24/2008 17:03
Three Reasons I love FFVIII:
-Favorite Uematsu score
-Triple Triad FTW
-With the right magic and junctions you could actually get three characters with all stats at 255(within a reasonable amount of time(looking at you X))
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Redzie at 06/24/2008 17:07
I feel a strong dose of nostalgia from all this. I remember my gaming magazines back in the day previewing this game. I even remember reading at one point that Laguna had his own half of the game as a playable character from the beginning instead of just those (SPOILER!!!) flashback sequences within Squall's story. My local Barnes and Noble still has FFVIII strategy guides in stock so I may pick the game up again. Thanks.
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Count Grishnack at 06/24/2008 17:10
@Rock: It is super easy, especially once you've beaten it once. It's so easy to get 100 of the diesel spells for your stats and smash face. Still super fun though.

And does anyone know what game came with demo for this? I couldn't remember for the life of me...
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Slick Icarus at 06/24/2008 17:11
Reminds me... this is still on my List O' Shame... Ah, well. Nice article, BTW. Mine all suck. All two of them.
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DynamicSheep at 06/24/2008 17:12
This game had the exact opposite effect on me... it made me consider never turning on another console for the rest of my life. Then I got bored and played something good.
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donkeykong at 06/24/2008 17:14
easiest ever? oh, you're joking...
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Evila at 06/24/2008 17:21
Awesome post. Nice to see other big fans of FF8. I was totally in love with the Junction system and the Triple Triad game too. Heck, sometimes I just turned on the game solely to play Triple Triad. A portable version of that would probably have a death grip on me. Psst SquareEnix, why don't you make a Triple Triad+Tetra Master game for PSP or DS? Pretty please? >_>

The settings and music were all beautiful too. I'll be revisiting the game again once my main computer gets fixed. Until then, the shiny PC version box shall sit here on my desk, mocking me... lol.
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ry mc at 06/24/2008 17:23
I LOVE THIS GAME!
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The Phazer at 06/24/2008 17:29
I love VIII. Still my favourite FF game. The story is so good, tightly integrated, touching and it all comes together so well at the end.

The final boss wasn't so hard if you had 99 Ultimas, 99 Auras and 99 Melta lined up in your stats for Squall, Zell and Rinoa. Then just Aura everyone, have Rinoa renewing them and Pheonix Down-ing fallen paries and proceed to limit break the hell out of her. With Squall's ulimate weapon you should be thumping her for 18,000 hp or so per break and Aura allows you to do it every time.

I so wish we'd got some more stories set in the VIII universe though - it's the game left most open for a sequel. SeeD were pretty much intact at the end, and could go on to further adventures without going their seperate ways like so many FF groups.
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Verol at 06/24/2008 17:54
@Count Grishnack
Brave Fencer Musashi, my favorite game on the PS behind FFVIII.

I still think that FFVIII has the best love story. I loved the fact that you can make this game as easy or as hard as you like with Card-Mod. I think this might have been the only Minigame that actually helped you for more than one thing.
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grrza at 06/24/2008 18:02
I'm with dynamic sheep. To each his own, but this is one awful FF. Tedious comes to mind. The story felt completely ad hoc and nonsensical, what with everyone somehow knowing each other from childhood, the evil sorceress being locked up in a space station, and seed being established by cid and edea in the first place to defeat her - and somehow there isn't the faintest hint of any of this mystery at the beginning? I mean, really?
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DaedHead8 at 06/24/2008 18:17
I really don't like FF8 either. I mean, it's final fantasy, so its good but the story just didn't do it for me. I hated squall and I hated rinoa. The junctioning system, however, kept me playing. I really enjoyed that bit of the game.
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Harukai at 06/24/2008 18:24
Good blog man, sounds like your childhood was similar to mine in america land. FFVIII > FFVII any day, Squall is the man and I can't get enough replays of this game. Nice write up :D
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Kyoden at 06/24/2008 19:28
I recently beat this game again and loved everything about it but the story. I thought making the love story the primary focus and motivation for plot advancement was a bad choice.

That said, the junction system remains one of my favorite character advancement systems in an rpg (2nd only to FF tactics). Once you reach the end of the game (if you've done things right) you can basically woop on anybody with no problem, and that's a rare feeling in an rpg (aura, ftw).
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hobofusion at 06/24/2008 19:40
Every Final Fantasy is as easy as you want to make it.
My gaming experience was defined by playing FF7 when it came out, when I was a mere 7 years of age. I fell in love with the final battle between Cloud and Sephiroth, and would sit and do that fight about 4 times a day (considering it took about 2 hours from loading my file to the end of the credits)

When Final Fantasy 8 came out, I was amazed by the cinematics and in-game graphics, having rid the heroes of their block hands, and overall created a much flashier looking world.

Now, since I'm a die hard fan of the series, I manage to complete each game once a year, and upon playing FF8 last year, was agast at how the graphics are. I'm not comparing them to the likes of FF12, which will be on par with many PS3 games for some time to come, but with Final Fantasy 7.

You could claim this is because I am a true Cloud fanboy, but if you play FF7, the graphics are very clear, despite being moderately cartoon like. In FF8 however, the graphics have an 'etchy' feel to them. Try it yourself, compare the battles from FF7 to that of FF8. Infact, not just the graphics, but the fluency of the ATB.

Don't get me wrong, FF8 was an amazing game. And it is still possibly the easiest Final Fantasy that exists. For example, within 10 hours, I had Squall and Quistis at level 100, Quistis weilding her amazing Save The Queen, and Squall carrying the powerful Punishment. Simply from Card and Card-mod. Now, because of Junctioning, my Squall's attack bordered 200. Junction Blizzaga to my elemental attack, BAM, Ifrit takes a nice 9999 damage.

From here, the game gets easier still! Simply junctioning high level magic to any level character to get the effects you so desire!

Omega Weapon? Somewhat overated. Yes, he is capable of dealing 9998 to all of your characters at once, but at level 100, he only has 1,160,000 HP I believe? Lion Heart does 17 hits, each doing 9999, plus a minimum of a four hit Renzokuken, adding another 16,000 or so, giving approximately 186,000 damage per limit. Simply have Irvine, Squall and Rinoa in constant Aura, expand a little Pulse Ammo and maintain Invincible Moon. Try it yourself, Omega Weapon won't last very long at all! 50 bullets or so later and 4 Lion Hearts, he's dead.

I still enjoy Final Fantasy 8 a great deal, and still get goosebumps as the Seed ships break the reflection of the moon in the sea as they approach Dollet, with The Landing belting out as loud as possible. It may well be the easiest game, but it doesn't take away from it's enjoyment.

What makes others so much better though, such as FF9, and FF10, is the re-introduction of the job system. Versatile characters are incredibly useful, but it takes away from the real nature of Final Fantasy games, in Japan, a Zodiac Job system version of FF12 was released, where the player chooses a job for each of their characters, and this job can then not be changed for the duration of the game.

Anyway, my rant is over, this was a great review of an all time great, which despite many of it's flaws, has some amazing redeemingly qualities to ensure it will never be forgotten.
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Franky Digital at 06/24/2008 19:57
I am totally with you on this one. FFVIII > *. <3
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Monte at 06/24/2008 20:29
I'm gonna go against the flow cause i never really liked ffviii much. I didn't really like the draw system because it made the characters much less unique gameplay wise; i mean, any character could have any stats; the only real difference was the limit breaks... too much flexability

But the story was what really hit me hard... really there seemed to be so many little problems in the story that i just couldn't ignore. And i never did develop much of a fondness for any of the characters... it's kinda of odd to say that since i think FFVIII might have been like my second RPG with the first being FIX; i say it's odd since i was still new to rpg's but already new what i wanted to see in a game... FFVII, FF:Tactics, and FFVI all came after and those i loved
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Mohawk at 06/24/2008 22:37
@ Count Grishnack
My copy of FFVII came with a demo disk for FFVIII. I think you could play through the gardens area up until that boss (I keep wanting to think of fighting T Rex at some point... am I way off?)

Anyway, FFVII was my first game for my PSone, I had a friend who was really into RPG's and we had decided that I would get VII first and then get VIII later (I managed to completed VII 100%).

When I finally got VIII I loved it even more. I finish it 100% as well, but it was a messy 100% I didn't want to fight the final boss until I had done everything else, which made the final boss pretty freaking hard.

I finally beat her after quite a few attempts, and remember letting out shrieks of joy, which to my parents (with my pre-pubescent voice) apparently sounded like I had broken my leg, as they ran into my room...
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Fronz at 06/24/2008 22:46
Man I loved the card battle system in this game!
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Ashtolia at 06/24/2008 23:31
Personally I thought VIII was the definite weak link in the series. Characters I cared nothing for and some downright disliked, and a story that at times made me laugh out loud at the wrong times. But I am happy if any game can pull someone into the wonderful world of RPGs.
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vertice at 06/25/2008 00:16
I remember wanting a moomba so very much :
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/ff8-moomba.html
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Cryoplasma at 06/25/2008 06:43
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I for one hated the game, though I did play all the way through it. I think the junction system was stupid as hell, the summon system was a little annoying and the story was too girly. Though it is my least favorite Final Fantasy game, I'm glad I played it, as it did help to shape me into the gamer I am today.

I tried to go back and play it a year or two ago and got about 15 minutes in before I said screw it and turned it off. It's just not the game for me. I've played every other Final Fantasy multiple times (with the acception of 10 and 12) but I just couldn't bring myself to play through this one again.

Vincent Valentine > Cloud > Squal
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Julian Solo at 06/25/2008 08:43
Loved this game! I didn't finish it either...
I got struck in Eshtar playing endlessly Triple Triad to get some rare card...
Maybe the junction system is disappointing at first but the plot is one of the most fascinating ever...these two aspects making FFVIII one of the most enjoyable and underrated RPG of all times.
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mwuest at 06/25/2008 09:01
2 things; I believe it was either Parasite Eve or Parasite Eve II that came with a demo for FFVIII. Also, I love the post, but I'm pissed that you wrote it before I did; I love this game. Definitely have Squall standing on my bookshelf in my apt. And him and Rinoa? Great stuff.
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Seta Soujiro at 06/25/2008 10:39
*wipes away tears* Nice read man. =) I too love FFVIII, one of my favorite games and my favorite FF game. Yeah, even above over-rated FFVII. =P
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LadiesMan_2123 at 06/25/2008 16:45
I also thought this was one of the easiest FF games. even at level 100, I only needed selphie and squall through the entire fight to beat the final boss with no sweat. Also, FF IV has the best Uematsu soundtrack. This game really doesn't even compare to FF VII.
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The Unforgivable at 06/25/2008 22:34
I still haven't got to the fist CD, Blasphemy I know.
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Edco at 06/27/2008 01:54
Awesome post. FF8 is still and may always be my fave FF game, much to many folks' disbelief. I really dug reading how much you enjoyed it and all the other posters here, too. We are not alone!

Gunblade? Hells yea.
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Dexter345 at 06/30/2008 16:00
Hey, thanks for the shout out. Yours was a good read as well. I think FFVIII gets more crap than it deserves, and while I personally like FFVII better, I loved FFVIII too.
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