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im pushing for it i really am. ive quite enjoyed mine
also. if nintendo is posting a loss off the 3ds now, who wants to bet that sony wont exactly be making a profit off each vita it sells either?
also. if nintendo is posting a loss off the 3ds now, who wants to bet that sony wont exactly be making a profit off each vita it sells either?
In short yes. It did not meet nintendo's expectations due to overpricing and lackluster games.
That being said, it's not "Saturnday" bad. They can easily pick themselves back up with the moves they're pulling today.
Also, inb4 sealtth.
That being said, it's not "Saturnday" bad. They can easily pick themselves back up with the moves they're pulling today.
Also, inb4 sealtth.
not yet. Nintendo still has space to maneuver, but if they do not recover fast, specially after the Vita launch, it could be in serious trouble.
I think the price cut drops it close enough to existing DSi models that many more people will give it a chance. I'm not sure one way or another if it will be the success the DS was, but I think it will probably be fairly strong in 6 months to a year.
Miracles happen, but so far it has all the hallmarks of a total disaster. With too few original games on the horizon (you can't support a handheld on nothing but remakes of decade-old games) and little to no apparent third party support, the prospects aren't good right now.
My vote is yes, it's a flop.
My vote is yes, it's a flop.
Maybe not a flop, but I don't think it'll have the same performance of the DS/DSi. But as a current 3DS Suc... err "Ambassador", I really hope it picks up some steam.
I think at the $250 price point it was a huge flop and I have yet to see in in the wild and no one I know own's one or plans to get one; however, with the current price drop it makes it much more attainable for the average consumer.
I said it before and I will say it again, at $250 smacks mom, dads, grandma's and grandpa's will NOT just run out and buy one for little Tommy's birthday.
I am still unsure it if will reach sales that Nintendo is hoping for as a TON of people, myself included, are all waiting on the Vita.
I said it before and I will say it again, at $250 smacks mom, dads, grandma's and grandpa's will NOT just run out and buy one for little Tommy's birthday.
I am still unsure it if will reach sales that Nintendo is hoping for as a TON of people, myself included, are all waiting on the Vita.
In terms of sales, I wouldn say so. In terms of games, so far I'd definitely and resoundingly say yes. You're not supposed to act like companies are doing you favors by shitting out dozens of ports
I do not think that Nintendo's 3DS is a flop. Rather, most people who plan on buying one are waiting for more Nintendo games to arrive (Kid Icarus; Mario Kart; Animal Crossing, just to name a few). By the time they get those games out they will also see if the 3DS hardware gets changed (revised) at all. That's what I think and almost did.
What makes or breaks a any gaming system is whether or not the games are any good. While the launch line up was very weak aside from SSF4 and fan favorite Ghost Recon, there are still a ton of great looking games on the way. Plus, it can take time for a console to truly find its place. Look at the PS3, that was an empty, overpriced husk for like the first two years of its run, but now it's my favorite console of this generation.
Unless a console is reaching Virtual Boy-levels of failure, then it just isn't fair to call a system a flop a mere four months after its international release. Besides, I keep getting the impression that the system has sold fine, the issue is just that it didn't explode out of the gates like everyone imagined it would.
Unless a console is reaching Virtual Boy-levels of failure, then it just isn't fair to call a system a flop a mere four months after its international release. Besides, I keep getting the impression that the system has sold fine, the issue is just that it didn't explode out of the gates like everyone imagined it would.
If it under-performs this holiday then maybe. The fact that this is The Question is proof that Nintendo handled their first quarterly loss in history with about as much grace and confidence as a 3 year old drowning in the shallow end of the kiddie pool.
Too soon to tell. Right now it appears to be a flop, 30% off original price in 6 months is no joke, ala 32X and Virtual Boy. I actually wouldn't mind Nintendo going 3rd party really. I digress, wait until this holiday season to tell. Maybe Vita and 3DS will underperform and dedicated handhelds will go extinct. Who knows?
I think this is a good question to ask after this holiday season. Right now it's pretty barebones but I'm optimistic that it'll pick up after this year.
That photo looks a lot better with Reggie. 3DS will be fine, Nintendo should put new IP's out. It will help them out a lot more.
I'm going to say it is not yet a flop.
Its in dangerous territory but it is far from being a failure.
What it needs is some good software to back it up, if it gets that it should be fine.
That said, am I concerned for its future? Yes
But I still have some faith that they can turn this thing around before it implodes. Unfortunately that rests in the hands of 3rd party developers.
In part the reason I think they went with the price drop wasn't necessarily to compete with the Vita in price. But to show the 3rd parties that there is going to be a good install base for them to release games to.
Now getting those same third parties to release games that aren't shovelware, "social" or a flood of FPS.... is another trick entirely.
Its in dangerous territory but it is far from being a failure.
What it needs is some good software to back it up, if it gets that it should be fine.
That said, am I concerned for its future? Yes
But I still have some faith that they can turn this thing around before it implodes. Unfortunately that rests in the hands of 3rd party developers.
In part the reason I think they went with the price drop wasn't necessarily to compete with the Vita in price. But to show the 3rd parties that there is going to be a good install base for them to release games to.
Now getting those same third parties to release games that aren't shovelware, "social" or a flood of FPS.... is another trick entirely.
Nintendo probably just saved it from being one for the time being. Just about every console and handheld has started on shaky ground (the PS2 and PS3 come to mind), and what it always comes down to is the games. If the lineup gains strength over the coming months, the system will pick up momentum. It's as simple as that (again, compare to the PS3's start).
Ill say it's not a flop, the system is still young, nintendo made some bad decisions just to appeal to stock holders, to me, it's a smart move to lower the price amd give early adopters a compensation, if nintendo wants to succed with this one, they must stop saying "look at us, we make 3d happen!" and focus more on the "this system can do this and that, and has a massive amount of games" and of course release more games. They started this race pretty bad, but i belive they will pick up, just look at sony they seem to be doing pretty well after the infamous $600 ps3
I think Nintendo has a very small chance of pulling through with the system. The major issue plaguing the 3DS right now is the lack of good games. Why would you buy a system that has nothing you want to play? I think that once some better games come out (such as Mario and the like) the system will sell better, but I don't know if it will make up for the losses Nintendo has suffered.
I wouldn't write it off just yet. Yeah it's not doing as well as Nintendo had hoped, but it's only because there hasn't been anything that makes people go "OH MY GOD I MUST HAVE THIS NOW!!!!!" I'm sure once Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 out, they'll get back to making huge profits.
As for the price drop, I'm sure most people see it as desperation, but I see it as a smart move. It's better for them to cut the price now when there is still time before the Vita comes out.
As for the price drop, I'm sure most people see it as desperation, but I see it as a smart move. It's better for them to cut the price now when there is still time before the Vita comes out.
High price
Missing features
Lacking power
Bad launch games (save for a few)
It was doomed from the beginning.
Missing features
Lacking power
Bad launch games (save for a few)
It was doomed from the beginning.
Nintendo not meeting their own expectations is like the Old Testament God not meeting his own expectations of humanity. The humans get sent out there, all loaded up with these urges and thoughts that he expects them to completely ignore, lest they be completely wiped out. And so we see a 3DS price cut two months after Nintendo jumped the gun and sent out a pretty much unready system and expected it to be the second coming.
Good on them for acting on it quickly enough, instead of letting it become stagnant. Although, they were pretty much forced into a corner here, what with the Wii being a virtual barren wasteland for the foreseeable future.
Good on them for acting on it quickly enough, instead of letting it become stagnant. Although, they were pretty much forced into a corner here, what with the Wii being a virtual barren wasteland for the foreseeable future.
I don't believe it's a flop. Nintendo STILL has a chance to turn this completely around with some new titles,but they're just lagging it like crazy. It NEEDS more support,Nintendo. Release some new good games. Or release better retro Gameboy games or something.
It will do very well for them once more (and better) games come out for it. Like many others, I have been holding off on buying one. This price cut is going to make me get one next month and I think sales will spike right through the holidays and beyond with this cut and the library of terrific titles that is slated to come out for it over the next year or so. To call it a flop would be ludicrous at this point.
The idea that its a flop is knee-jerking garbage. Its waaaay too soon to tell and I'm willing to bet it will be a big hit this holiday given its new price point.
I hear people go on and on about what a force mobile gaming is and they fail to distinguish that mobile gaming is a completely different market and even ritually forget how disorganized and unregulated that market is.
Mobile games are for people that just don't care to distinguish between what 3DS and Vita will look to offer (substance) and Angry Birds (a novelty that stole directly from another IP).
I think the moblie market is going to face an 80s style crash with the way things are going. Apple is does nothing to regulate it like Nintendo and Sony regulate their own markets.
I also think smartphones are a phase like any other. They are not the end point. The tablet is way more relevant long-term as it could potentially replace PC, console and Handheld alike, but the smartphone could just as easily go the way of the cell phone or pager as technology continues to evolve.
Not to mention its a portable buzzkill. Being a swiss army knife prepares you for a lot of situations, but what it doesn't do is teach you how to use those tools properly. And given its apparent lack of a d-pad and buttons, I'd say its not quite there on games as people like to claim it is.
You've said it yourself, Jim. Touch-only games aren't a full replacement for proper d-pads, sticks and buttons. Even for the novelties iOS devices like to dwell in, they'd make those iOS games that much there if they were there.
Their absense is a big turn-off to me and that's why I'll always defer to 3DS and Vita before a smartphone.
I hear people go on and on about what a force mobile gaming is and they fail to distinguish that mobile gaming is a completely different market and even ritually forget how disorganized and unregulated that market is.
Mobile games are for people that just don't care to distinguish between what 3DS and Vita will look to offer (substance) and Angry Birds (a novelty that stole directly from another IP).
I think the moblie market is going to face an 80s style crash with the way things are going. Apple is does nothing to regulate it like Nintendo and Sony regulate their own markets.
I also think smartphones are a phase like any other. They are not the end point. The tablet is way more relevant long-term as it could potentially replace PC, console and Handheld alike, but the smartphone could just as easily go the way of the cell phone or pager as technology continues to evolve.
Not to mention its a portable buzzkill. Being a swiss army knife prepares you for a lot of situations, but what it doesn't do is teach you how to use those tools properly. And given its apparent lack of a d-pad and buttons, I'd say its not quite there on games as people like to claim it is.
You've said it yourself, Jim. Touch-only games aren't a full replacement for proper d-pads, sticks and buttons. Even for the novelties iOS devices like to dwell in, they'd make those iOS games that much there if they were there.
Their absense is a big turn-off to me and that's why I'll always defer to 3DS and Vita before a smartphone.
The way I see it, this is the kind of question I'd see on TMZ. The system is five months old. Yes, sales are slow. Yes, there's been a price drop. But Gizmondo 2.0 this ain't. It's way to early to tell. Ask again next July.
So far? As far as meeting Nintendo's expectations, certainly. But ultimately? Absolutely not. It's too early to make an accurate call, but Nintendo has a lot of work ahead of them to make it live up to the DS.
I would consider the system's first year to be a flop, but not the system itself. From a lackluster launch, and lack of games during the first 6 months. To the massive price cut that will cause problems dues to Nintendo not making any profit from their new system and their inability to have another price cut for years. I personally would have cut the price to $200 and bundled it with Pilotwings, but that's just me. If over the next few months we see developers announcing and releasing new titles and Nintendo improving the eShop functionality, then the system might just become a hit and sell enough to actually make money for Nintendo. The future of the system depends on numerous factors, but the biggest one, at least to me, is how well will it sell during the Christmas season. As for now I just have two things to say, don't release six first party titles for one system during a period of five months, and don't launch something prematurely.
I think its still to early in the game for it to be a flop. yes it isn't selling particularly well but since it appears Nintendo is fighting hard by slashing the price and rewarding early adopters I has a much better chance. Plus hopefully this mess is a wake up call for Nintendo that will force them to listen to what the fans want and deliver. Hopefully urban Champions 3D will be the last stupid eshop release for a while. not likely, but still. If we start seeing Pokemon and gBA games release for the eshop and Majora's Mask 3d announced and possibly The Operation Rainfall games, Nintendo can make a comeback.
It's not a question of competition from Sony or mobile phones. It's a matter of the direction Nintendo was taking their software with the 3DS. They were taking their handhelds in the direction that they took their N64 and Game Cube software...and like those system, the 3DS bombed horribly as a result, on top of everything else.
Look at the games on the 3DS, and the games that are getting made. Almost all of them are N64 ports or are going to be Game Cube-esque in nature. The idenity of the 3DS is similar to that of those two consoles. And those two consoles were also failures (as they failed to capture the mass market like the NES and Wii did). It should be no shock that the 3DS is failing when the philosophy behind that is the same behind Nintendo's other failed systems. The only difference between then and now is that when those systems failed, the economy was still doing well, so it took the sting out of the failure. Now, with the economy going tits up, making the 3DS and Wii U is like putting a gun to your own head, in a business sense.
The Wii U is being made with the intent of taking their games back to the Game Cube and N64 direction, and like the 3DS, the system is going bomb as well, nevermind the shitty economy factoring in to all this.
If Nintendo was smart, they would stop producing the 3DS, cancel production of the Wii U (as it no reason to exist), and instead focus on making games for the Wii and DS, and focus on making NEW games, and taking some of their declining IPs (like Zelda and Metroid) back to their roots (Skyward Sword isn't doing this, and Other M was a disaster). Putting Kid Icarus on the 3DS was a massive mistake when it could have had a much greater identity on the Wii taking advantage of the controls to make it exciting. Instead the developers just took the easy way out.
Making more games along the same principles as NSMB Wii or making a content heavy game using the principles behind Wii Sports would be a good first step towards restoring trust among the gamers that bought a Wii in the first place. The problem is that Nintendo is no longer a content oriented company, and this more than anything has been slowly killing the company over the years. They see gaming more as technology than in terms of what the player can do, and what kind of exciting universes the player can play in (of course this problem affects the game industry at large, so I'm not just singling out Nintendo).
Nintendo could have ushered in a new golden age for video games. Instead they got lazy and took the easy way out. And the easy way out leads to mediocrity. And in shitty economic times, nobody will pay for mediocrity. Nobody.
Look at the games on the 3DS, and the games that are getting made. Almost all of them are N64 ports or are going to be Game Cube-esque in nature. The idenity of the 3DS is similar to that of those two consoles. And those two consoles were also failures (as they failed to capture the mass market like the NES and Wii did). It should be no shock that the 3DS is failing when the philosophy behind that is the same behind Nintendo's other failed systems. The only difference between then and now is that when those systems failed, the economy was still doing well, so it took the sting out of the failure. Now, with the economy going tits up, making the 3DS and Wii U is like putting a gun to your own head, in a business sense.
The Wii U is being made with the intent of taking their games back to the Game Cube and N64 direction, and like the 3DS, the system is going bomb as well, nevermind the shitty economy factoring in to all this.
If Nintendo was smart, they would stop producing the 3DS, cancel production of the Wii U (as it no reason to exist), and instead focus on making games for the Wii and DS, and focus on making NEW games, and taking some of their declining IPs (like Zelda and Metroid) back to their roots (Skyward Sword isn't doing this, and Other M was a disaster). Putting Kid Icarus on the 3DS was a massive mistake when it could have had a much greater identity on the Wii taking advantage of the controls to make it exciting. Instead the developers just took the easy way out.
Making more games along the same principles as NSMB Wii or making a content heavy game using the principles behind Wii Sports would be a good first step towards restoring trust among the gamers that bought a Wii in the first place. The problem is that Nintendo is no longer a content oriented company, and this more than anything has been slowly killing the company over the years. They see gaming more as technology than in terms of what the player can do, and what kind of exciting universes the player can play in (of course this problem affects the game industry at large, so I'm not just singling out Nintendo).
Nintendo could have ushered in a new golden age for video games. Instead they got lazy and took the easy way out. And the easy way out leads to mediocrity. And in shitty economic times, nobody will pay for mediocrity. Nobody.
come the holidays, when all the first party titles like mario 3DS, mario kart, kid icarus, star fox and luigis mansion drop, 3DS will be a success. At this price point it will flourish. If only the aformentioned titles come out for the system, it will still have more great titles than the DS or the PSP ever had.
Not to mention that the eshop will get better games also. Just look at the "free games" list that Nintendo is offering.
I'm a proud 3DS owner and early adoptor.
Not to mention that the eshop will get better games also. Just look at the "free games" list that Nintendo is offering.
I'm a proud 3DS owner and early adoptor.
It isn't a flop. The problem it had is that it released before having a lot of great games and the price was higher than most people wanted. Problem 2 is being solved and it seems like problem 1 is being fixed soon. The PS3 started horribly and Sony came back... Nintendo sure as hell can do the same. As far as the price cut, I will be enjoying my free GBA games.
I will keep saying
1) Its sold more worldwide than the ds had at the same point in time during a non holiday
2) Every analyst has the 3ds being the top selling piece of hardware this year in japan
3) ITS ONLY 4 FUCKING MONTHS
1) Its sold more worldwide than the ds had at the same point in time during a non holiday
2) Every analyst has the 3ds being the top selling piece of hardware this year in japan
3) ITS ONLY 4 FUCKING MONTHS
I don't think anyone can seriously answer this question with a straight face without waiting a few more years.
Seriously. It's not even a year old. This price cut hasn't even gone into effect. People are counting their chickens WAAAAAAY too soon on this.
And I think the 3DS is a piece of crap anyways.
Seriously. It's not even a year old. This price cut hasn't even gone into effect. People are counting their chickens WAAAAAAY too soon on this.
And I think the 3DS is a piece of crap anyways.
At this very moment I'd say yes it is a flop, BUT after the price drop,more games,and the holiday's hit. I think it will start to take off.
Those who have one will say No(because, it isn't. You're just over-sensationalizing things, Jimmyboy).
Those who never planned on getting one(trolls) will say yes.
/thread
Tsk tsk tsk.
Those who never planned on getting one(trolls) will say yes.
/thread
Tsk tsk tsk.
Well Nintendo shot themselves in the foot by having, no games, bad online market and short battery time... And I kinda know that they will release a better verson in a year or two. Fuck you Nintendo.
I kind of find it funny how people say once mario this, mario kart that, metroid and so on will save the system. While maybe true its just really sad that it can ONLY survive because of first party titles.
It's on a fatal ledge, but not without a future. When you run the games down, Mario, Kid Icarus, Paper Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda and Luigi's Mansion the console does look fun. It's just... eventually fun.
250$ system released early
Over 7 million DS systems around the world
Barely any noticeable advertisements to differentiate the 3DS between existing DS systems
On top of that.... Barely any playable games... I don't even think its past 40 games yet...
When it comes down to it... the damn system doesn't have any games.. Uhhh hello? isn't that why you bought it in the first place? If the system continues to starve and doesn't pick up the pace in software releases.... call it a wrap...
Btw looking forward to about 2 games a month isnt "picking up the pace" This isn't even including the "online and eshop" debacle either...
Over 7 million DS systems around the world
Barely any noticeable advertisements to differentiate the 3DS between existing DS systems
On top of that.... Barely any playable games... I don't even think its past 40 games yet...
When it comes down to it... the damn system doesn't have any games.. Uhhh hello? isn't that why you bought it in the first place? If the system continues to starve and doesn't pick up the pace in software releases.... call it a wrap...
Btw looking forward to about 2 games a month isnt "picking up the pace" This isn't even including the "online and eshop" debacle either...
I dont know what you all are talking about but there namco, atlus, square, capcom, level 5, ect ect ect
stuff I want to play
stuff I want to play
I think it will depend on the games it gets. Right now the biggest problem it has is that there's nothing to play on it. I can't really imagine anyone plopping down 200+ euro just to play RE Mercs or OoT unless they have some seriously disposable income.
My guess is that Christmas will be a good indicator of its potential success as, presumably a lot of the games we're anticipating will be available by then and people might seriously consider getting one. But then it's already limping, so if the PS Vita is in any way a hit then they may be in even more trouble.
My guess is that Christmas will be a good indicator of its potential success as, presumably a lot of the games we're anticipating will be available by then and people might seriously consider getting one. But then it's already limping, so if the PS Vita is in any way a hit then they may be in even more trouble.
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