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The Question: Is Nintendo's dominance over? photo

[Every Friday, Destructoid will pose topical a question to the community. Answer it if you want!]

This generation has been marked by Nintendo utterly dominating the market with the Wii. However, as sales settle down (mostly due to everyone on Earth owning a unit) and the 3DS lurches off shelves at a slow pace, it would appear to the casual observer that Nintendo's time on top is drawing to a close. 

Project Cafe is approaching an imminent reveal, and its rumored focus on HD graphics and "core" gamers seems to paint it as a next generation GameCube. Could that be a bad thing? Nintendo trailed in last place in the previous generation, only shooting to the top with a unique new approach in the Wii. Is Project Cafe/Nintendo FEEL going to be unique enough to make lightning strike twice? 

Motion control is starting to fade away, and Nintendo clearly wants to apply jump leads to its hardware and kick off another craze. Will Nintendo do it, or is it setting itself up for another fall?

That is the question!








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SkullLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:23
SkullLeader
The answer: Nope.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:24
fetusmilk
they are so gonna release the nintendo FEEL powerglove with haptic feedback.
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:26
MuddBstrd
With regard to the 3DS, I'm not willing to write it off just yet because of initial sales that were more sluggish than people, even Nintendo, were expecting. As I recall, the original DS wasn't all that hot of a seller initially either. In fact, I don't think it was until the release of New Super Mario Bros. that the system really got going and became 'the little handheld that could'. I think Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market is far from over, and we need to wait another year or so before judgement can really be passed.

As for Project Cafe... we'll see. There's so little that's actually known about this thing that everything discussed here is going to be pure speculation. All we really know is that Nintendo does have a rough uphill climb getting back those gamers that will actually buy more than one or two games for a system and actually see the need to upgrade consoles into the next generation.

However, if they actually are calling it the FEEL, then I think it's safe to say that the console is fucked.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:27
Mr Andy Dixon
Just because they've sold the most this generation, I really haven't felt like they were "dominating" in over a decade.

So yes, their dominance is over... but it has been for a while.
quantumcatphd's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:28
quantumcatphd
I think the 3DS slow sales is in part because people expect a second, improved iteration to be out soon, even though DS versions were 2-3 years apart. "I'm waiting for the 3DS Lite" seems to be a constant refrain among those I speak to.

Combine that with anemic launch titles and lowish battery life and there you go. I think they'll be fine though. People will pick up the 3DS when more publishers switch over.
Sherwood513's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:28
Sherwood513
You're begging to be beat over the head with console fanboy epeens with this question.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:29
Mr Andy Dixon
@mrandydixon

Awesome sentence there, you jackass.
killatia's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:29
killatia
I think there dominance will be truly over if Project Cafe fails to sale to hardcore gamers.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:30
DinnertimeNinja
My gut reaction to the screen in the controller thing is "Well, that will be VERY expensive, but awesome."

And then I think about it some more, and I can't really think of much that the screen could be used for. I mean, you could choose plays in secret for football games (which I don't play), and you could put a HUD on it (but HUDs and stats are better left on screen so you don't look away from the action), and you could make another one of those Zelda: Four Swords things (which was decent but the novelty wore out fast), but other than that, what good is it?

Though I pretty much felt the same way about the Wii (still don't think waggle is good for much) and that seems to have done just fine for itself.
deaddays's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:30
deaddays
Nah, they'll be fine. You'll be using that "printing money" graphic again in no time.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:30
tuoman
I was recently looking at Nintendo's inverted yield curve when I saw the Wii's success dirrrrrrrrrRRRRRREEEGGGGGGIIIIIE IS MADE OF MEAT.
Willias's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:31
Willias
"Just because they've sold the most this generation, I really haven't felt like they were "dominating" in over a decade. "

This. You don't really hear people talking about how awesome the newest games on their Wiis are. People are always talking about the newest PC, Xbox, or PS game. Nintendo may have had the most console sales, but I'm not sure how much people really got out of those consoles outside of a few specific games.

Which is probably why Nintendo is making their next console much more beefy in terms of processing and graphical capability, so they can get stronger 3rd party support.
Sean Daisy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:31
Sean Daisy
The Wii succeeded by placing themselves utterly apart from the market. Project Cafe sounds like it is throwing itself back in the PlayStation/XBox fight. It can only suffer as a result.

The Wii was indeed a Revolution. With Project Cafe, Nintendo may stand to be scolded.
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:32
TriplZer0
I can't really answer this question until after Project Cafe's reveal. I mean it's true that Nintendo is slowing down when it comes to Wii sales. The 3DS isn't as much of a homerun as they hoped it would be (at least not yet). Who knows? Nintendo is usually full of surprises. I just hope this haptic stuff isn't going to be the new motion controls.
Hohojirozame's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:32
Hohojirozame
First of all Nintendo will never lose because Reggie pwns all of our faces. Personally its going to be an interesting to see how long it takes for people to shift to a different Nintendo system. Depending on when someone bought a Wii, that could influence their decision when thinking about purchasing this new contraption, especially if they are of the "casual" group. I think its similar with the 3DS in that they were still pushing the DSi XL and releasing a new variation for the release of the new Pokemon games. Maybe with their new marketing pull for the "core" gamer they might draw in those that never bought a Wii because it was too...kiddie, casual, and gimmicky? But I feel it will be hard to convince those people either way because they might think its another gimmick or its still too kiddie because its Nintendo. My answer: wait/leaning towards not failing.
Malchior Devenholm's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:32
Malchior Devenholm
Sony has network issues and Microsoft is losing their exclusives. Yeah, Nintendo's really losing their market dominance. Even if Project Cafe focuses on actual gamers again, most kids, moms, dads, will get one because...it's Nintendo.
VenusInFurs's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:33
VenusInFurs
Jim, I'm a big defender of you, but this is ludicrous! Of course not. Why would you ask such a stupid question. They make money, I've enjoyed all their games, motion controls are everywhere and here to stay. What else do you want? I'm sorry, but this "article" was done out of trolling. I love you, Jim, but this was unnecessary, and was just done to get page views/comments...Which, by the way, you succeeded in. Damn it, I love you, man, but come on!
Wolfy-Boey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:33
Wolfy-Boey
The lack the ability to see the future, therefore I cannot answer.
Linfosoma's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:33
Linfosoma
No sausages? I am disappoint Jim.
Wolfy-Boey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:34
Wolfy-Boey
*I lack
HellsHaxor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:36
HellsHaxor
Nintendo died after 64, as far as I'm concerned.
Janaff's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:37
Janaff
I'm willing to bet that the 3DS will pick up steam later this year.
If Project Cafe lives up to the hype, I can see Nintendo easily dominating once again.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:37
KingSigy
I might make a blog on this instead of the usual comment, but I feel that Nintendo is not done. While this new HD shit might not be enough to win them the next Generation, they've got be doing better than Sony. Learn from their mistakes and you'll see a substantial difference in user bases.
BadStar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:37
BadStar
The "dominance" may be over, but they will never go away. They have their low points, but they always seem to have an unlimited supply of tricks up their sleeve. Where Nintendo leads, others will follow, and that's how it's always going to be.
Zantetsuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:38
Zantetsuken
I wouldn't argue that they dominated in the first place. There hasn't been as many A+ titles on the Wii as there has been on other systems and selling the most does not a good console make. Its fun, but it relied too much on a gimmick that was never fully realised.
lokhe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:38
lokhe
If Nintendo released a HD console on par with what Microsoft and Sony offer, that will support the same library of games, then I would use that console over the competitors' anyday.
Ace829's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:39
Ace829
I wouldn't say so yet. The 3DS will get it's good games sooner rather than later. Especially with the promising amount of 3rd part support. What will make the 3DS run away as handheld king is if they can implement a competent online service through software updates.

The online service is a step in the right direction, but the lack of messaging friends, lack of e-Shop until later this month, and software drought is hurting the 3DS big time.

On Project Cafe, there's way too much speculation and rumor at the moment to really know how the hell Nintendo will do in the next year. The "FEEL" name sounds ridiculous, but considering the success of the Wii it won't impact sales at all.

The touch screen controller seems rife with potential, but that's all it is at the moment. Potential.

In comparison with the competition, Sony is in no shape to take that crown with the PSN fiasco and all. Microsoft could take the crown, but the lack of compelling exclusive software for both Kinect and regular 360 hinders their chances of dominating. Yes, the Kinect SHIPPED well, but I only see it as a shallow fad with wasted potential. Kinect hackers has come up with better shit than Microsoft themselves.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:39
Dv8thwonder
Isn't funny that these doom and gloom articles always include Nintendo yet exclude Sony and Microsoft despite their losses of billions of dollars?

3ds is pitiful ATM; needs more mainstream successful software, i.e 1st party titles.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:40
RenegadePanda
The Wii console sold like hotcakes, but that's not where any company makes it's money. They rely on royalties and first-party merchandise, neither of which have reached the levels they did back in the NES/SNES days. I've seen more Wii's traded in and sold as used (meaning no profit for Ninty) than any other system during it's current generation. They made it affordable, so a lot of people bought one and a handful of games, then never really touched it again.

Nintendo only dominates when no one can figure out how to do what they do better. The problem is Sony and Microsoft have, for the most part, done everything better. Online, graphics, games, marketplace content, and even motion control (arguable) are all done better on the other systems. Not to mention the additional features that Nintendo refuses to implement that the others have had since launch.
SBC Slam's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:40
SBC Slam
Seriously, if you're asking this question pretending that the answer is anything other than a resounding "yes, they'll do it" you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years.
Hohojirozame's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:41
Hohojirozame
@Zantetsuken it might not make a good console, but it does make the company richer...and richer...and richer...which is the point of running a business, even though it might suck for us "regulars"
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:42
amtalx
Who knows? No one thought the Wii would be as successful as it is, nor did anyone think Sony would be pulling up the rear.
Ace829's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:42
Ace829
@Dv8thwonder Have you been willfully ignoring all the PSN doom and gloom articles? And I remember the reporting of MS losing a million dollars in MS money point coins. So...it's not funny at all.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:42
Spaz
If its anything Like the Wii, I won't be picking one up till its a $100 or less. Lack of any good third party titles will kill the Wii with the gamer that is above the age of 15 every time. out of all the games coming out The Last Story and Xeno Blade are all I'm looking forward to.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:43
Everyday Legend
I don't think dominance is what any manufacturer will actually see. Too many options, too many fanboys, and way too much money in three different corporate directions.
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:44
fluxanimator
You know what else sells tons? Justin Bieber, Ke$ha, the Chevy Malibu and Taco Bell. Quantity does not = quality. To me this gen the Wii utterly failed. Not in sales of course but in the eyes of gamers. I think Nintendo has realized that gamers are the ones that will continue to buy their games, systems etc. Not moms, babies and grandpas.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:44
Occams electric toothbrush
I think if Nintendo doesn't do something to recapture the magic and the hearts of a lot of gamers then they will lose their dominance. I haven't played my Wii in months because there has been nothing coming out for it that appeals to me. I went from adoring the Super NES and enjoying the N64 to being blown away by the playstation and PS2 library then finding an entirely new gaming existence with XBLA and playing with online friends. A lot of my friends are in the same boat and I get the impression that that's the story for a lot of people.

Nintendo needs to learn how to talk to that generation of gamer that grew up with the early systems and adored them as I feel like somewhere along the way, what I wanted from a console and what Nintendo wanted to make split off. It's a shame cause I miss that magic of Nintendo. I know part of it is my taste in games has changed but I really think part of it is that Nintendo is making a product that isn't really a viable alternative to the experience that Microsoft and Sony offer, especially from a playing online point of view. I dunno, just kinda bums me out that I have the Wii and I look at it and shrug. Shame its come to that for me.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:44
EternalDeathSlayer
If this console is significantly more powerful than a PS3 or Xbox 360 and gets solid third party support, then they'll be just fine. If MS or Sony suddenly came out with a new console in 2012, then they're fucked.

The hardcore crowd and frat-boy crowd are only going to buy a new Nintendo system if it's games are prettier than the games they're currently playing on the 360/PS3. And not just slightly prettier, it has to be a significant improvement on them.

Also, games. Project Cafe needs them.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:47
mix
I don't think this will take off as "feeling things" doesn't seem that huge to me and I don't think HD graphics is something Nintendo has ever placed as their number one "reason" to buy their console. I don't think casual gamers will even relly care about HD graphics, they want quirky things like motion control and cheap barriers of entry.

This does not really sound like Nintendo.

They've had those battle chest things wher you can FEEL each punch and I've never seen a single one, nor have I ever felt inclined to buy one.
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:49
fluxanimator
Also can't wait for the trolling when the first multiplat 360/ps3/Cafe title hits and Nintendo's version still looks the worst.
Derek Oliveira's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:52
Derek Oliveira
Were they dominant?
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:52
Dv8thwonder
@Ace829 The PSN fiasco is not "doom and/or gloom". That is their new reality. The PS3 and PSN can and will be hacked at any time.

The only thing that gives this op-ed piece credence is the fact that the handheld market is Nintendo's bread and butter and the 3ds ain't doing too well.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:53
Aurain
Ask after Wii 2 is out.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:53
Excel-2011
Until the general public with small reference pools stops referring to video games in general as "Nintendo", it's not over. Nobody calls the "Atari" anymore, for example.
UltorOscariot's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:55
UltorOscariot
I think they are going to have a hard time selling new consoles on the scale of the Wii, since most casuals just used it as a Wii Sports/Wii Fit machine, and those people are not used to the console cycle the way the core is. I think though as a result, building a more core oriented machine may lead to higher software sales, even if the install base never reaches the Wii.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:55
Jim Sterling
Bear in mind I am not asking whether or not Nintendo will die. I think a few people are looking at the question too extremely. I'm asking if you think Nintendo will stay ahead of Microsoft and Sony. I think it's a reasonable question to ask. Nobody stays on top in this industry forever.
Joel Thoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:56
Joel Thoman
Whatever happened to the Nintendo that made the Super Nintendo? So many of the games of that era are legendary, and since then nothing has been able to compare that has been on a system with a label of Nintendo. They need to carry on with the idea of wii ware, and make the hardware something that at least meets or exceeds that of the Xbox 360/ PS3.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:57
PEICanada7
You do realize, that the 3DS is outpacing the DS in initial sales right? The 3DS sold 3.6 million units for only one month of sales in Japan and only one week for the rest of the world. The DS only sold 5 million units for its entire first 6 full month of availability, which I know this for a fact, because that's what Nintendo themselves announced at E3 2005.

Jesse Divnich from EEDAR put it best, when he was on G4's FeedBack podcast this week. He said: “Nintendo is only in the first inning, of a 9 inning game here. The DS's launch was worst, than the 3DS's, so Nintendo has plenty of time to sell its inevitable 100+ million systems, over the next 6 years.” So people will always count Nintendo out and that's never going to change, but you'd think by now, people would be a bit more optomistic when it come to Nintendo sales!
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:57
Stealth
uh jim your kinda wrong on everything...........

Even though the 3ds only sold 3.6 million out of the 4 nintendo was expecting. Thats far better than the ds was.......

And I dont recall any system ever pushing that at launch (during a non holiday no less)
FPS Baby Jesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2011 13:57
FPS Baby Jesus
Most of the sales of the Wii early on seemed to have come from curiousity. Everyone wanted one because the motion control were different. I know dozens of ppl who own Wiis, and I never hear one of them talk about it. Honestly to me, the gimmick gets old. Not because motion controls are bad, but because they usually seem like they were thrown in for no reason. Hell, even the best nintendo games probaly don't need motion controls. Galaxy 1 and 2, Smash Bros., Twighlight Princess would all still be great regardless of the wiimote. Nintendo dominated sales more so than innovation. They aren't anymore innovative than Sony or M$ to be honest.
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