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NO NO HELL NO ITS FINE CHRIST WHY IN GODS GREEN EARTH WOULD YOU REBUILD THAT WHICH IS PRACTICALLY PERFECT
I'm fine with the series sticking to its guns. Playing a brand-new Zelda game is the closest thing to video game comfort food I get, and one of the few game formulas that I can enjoy anymore.
I'm one of the few people that doens't mind that every game has Ganondorf as the villain. In fact, I hate it when a game DOESN'T feature Ganon (Althought Vaati was great)
a retro 2D birds-eye view like the original would be a nice diversion for a 3DS game in the future...but all in all, I like where the series is at currently.
I would argue that Skyward Sword is to an extent, an overhaul. Eiji Aonuma said he was looking to change the formula and not to mention the new control scheme. That being said, I do think its about time that they do something drastically different. I loved Wind Waker for the fact that it was something which no one could ever have imagined they would do for the franchise. Innovation is what makes video games so different from other mediums and there's little enough of it around any way. We need big players like Nintendo to take risks to keep the ball rolling.
By god, let us get something new. I'm so sad to say I have absolutely zero point 2 degrees interest in Skyward Sword, no interest in repeating what I've done so many times. What made earlier iterations so inspirational, was the always new take on the wonders of the wander in a forest. Please don't make me play the same game ad infinitum.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People will complain anyways.
The Zelda formula is somewhat unique, there are few games quite like Zelda. The FPS genre need innovations and changes constantly, because there is so many games in that genre. Zelda still feels like something else when you play it, whether you like them or not, so the need for change isn't there.
But it would be nice with a small change, to keep things interesting... I think graphics may be one of them, for the Project Cafe. Playing Zelda with Uncharted level graphics will make the game feel fresh again, and we wont complain.
The Zelda formula is somewhat unique, there are few games quite like Zelda. The FPS genre need innovations and changes constantly, because there is so many games in that genre. Zelda still feels like something else when you play it, whether you like them or not, so the need for change isn't there.
But it would be nice with a small change, to keep things interesting... I think graphics may be one of them, for the Project Cafe. Playing Zelda with Uncharted level graphics will make the game feel fresh again, and we wont complain.
Zelda is my favorite Nintendo IP and Ocarina Of Time is my favorite game ever. That said, I think the series needs to introduce some new gameplay elements. We already have some pretty different art styles which look great (I love the new look of Skyward Sword), but I think something needs to be done about the whole "collect 3 amulets, get master sword, beat 6~7 temples, kill Ganon" formula.
Introducing new elements, like more magic (like in Adventure Of Link), difficulty levels, new villains, I dunno. The masks in Majora's Mask are a great example of a great new (at the time) gameplay mechanic in the Zelda series.
Don't get me wrong, I love all proper Zelda games, and I'll buy and love the shit out of Skyward Sword and OOT3DS. But I've been a fan for almost two decades now, and I'd love to see something new.
Introducing new elements, like more magic (like in Adventure Of Link), difficulty levels, new villains, I dunno. The masks in Majora's Mask are a great example of a great new (at the time) gameplay mechanic in the Zelda series.
Don't get me wrong, I love all proper Zelda games, and I'll buy and love the shit out of Skyward Sword and OOT3DS. But I've been a fan for almost two decades now, and I'd love to see something new.
While I complain about how shooters never change or how Madden pumps out the same crap, I'm with you on your experience with Zelda. When the story changes and you make incremental updates to the weaponry, the entire game feels different.
As with Mario, the developers don't simply repeat the exact level structure and only change graphics. Each game has an entirely different setting and vastly different puzzles, making every one unique.
So, nay for you question. I think Zelda is fine the way it is.
As with Mario, the developers don't simply repeat the exact level structure and only change graphics. Each game has an entirely different setting and vastly different puzzles, making every one unique.
So, nay for you question. I think Zelda is fine the way it is.
I think it needs to change a little, but not a complete overhaul. Just alter the structure a little bit so it doesn't feel the same. Less of a focus on dungeons and more on the world. I'd personally like another, darker Zelda game that's similar to Majora's Mask, but don't focus on a central town. Also stop putting Ganondorf in every Zelda game, can we have another recurring villain? Bring back Majora's Mask or Vaati even, just stop raping Ganon.
Personally a more diverse combat system would be good too, but that's too much of a change. Zelda cares far too much about puzzles to flesh out the combat.
Personally a more diverse combat system would be good too, but that's too much of a change. Zelda cares far too much about puzzles to flesh out the combat.
The series has always been very bright and whimsical, which is fine, but I'd like to see a darker, more mature side, perhaps a spin off? Possibly it's my own desire to see it look more Western than anime, as is the current trend.
Each Zelda game (not counting the CDi ones) successes in make the player live an epic adventure. Yes, it's almost the same adventure (Hero rescuing Princess from Evil Dictator), but each game has its differences, not only in storytelling and the world where the adventure occurs, it also creates sometimes subtle forms of interaction player-world (weapons, characters, time traveling, season traveling)) and sometimes radical changes (Wind Waker world, islands).
I think Zelda is great the way it is, because is not just a graphic refresh, each game offers so many differences that you need to play it to experience all these changes.
I think Zelda is great the way it is, because is not just a graphic refresh, each game offers so many differences that you need to play it to experience all these changes.
The Zelda games are fantastic, no doubt, but they really are getting to the point where they're feeling like rehashes. A rebirth would probably be out of line for such a respected franchise, but maybe something like what Mario Galaxy did for that franchise would make for a fresher experience.
I have wondered for a while what would happen if these games that were made popular in 2 dimensions and made the jump to 3D went back to 2D. What if instead of making a 3D Castlevania, they made a SotN style game with simply more in it. The same could work for Zelda. Instead of making a 3 dimensional game, make a game not unlike 3D Dot Game Heroes with more content than any of the 3D Zelda games could hope to have. Dedicate the resources to creating a massive amount of diverse content as opposed to using them to create something pretty. Could see a return to PSX era style diversity, where games had a ton of diverse content because they didn't need to devote all their resources to making a huge 3D world (remember when games had more than 100 enemies, almost none of which were shoddy reskins? Man those days rocked).
Just a thought.
I have wondered for a while what would happen if these games that were made popular in 2 dimensions and made the jump to 3D went back to 2D. What if instead of making a 3D Castlevania, they made a SotN style game with simply more in it. The same could work for Zelda. Instead of making a 3 dimensional game, make a game not unlike 3D Dot Game Heroes with more content than any of the 3D Zelda games could hope to have. Dedicate the resources to creating a massive amount of diverse content as opposed to using them to create something pretty. Could see a return to PSX era style diversity, where games had a ton of diverse content because they didn't need to devote all their resources to making a huge 3D world (remember when games had more than 100 enemies, almost none of which were shoddy reskins? Man those days rocked).
Just a thought.
I would argue that Skyward Sword is to an extent, an overhaul. Eiji Aonuma said he was looking to change the formula from those of the older games the least of which is the new control scheme. That being said, I do think its about time that they do something drastically different. I loved Wind Waker for the fact that it was something which no one could ever have imagined they would do with the franchise. Innovation is what makes video games so different from other mediums and I daresay there's little enough of it around any way. We need big players like Nintendo to take risks to keep the ball rolling.
I love the Zelda series the way it is, but I don't think they should be afraid of taking risks every once in awhile. I mean, Majora's Mask took enormous risks, and it's considered by many to be the best in the series. I'll love the Zelda series regardless of what they do, but at the same time a little bit of change never hurt anybody.
As someone who has seen everything the series has offered over the years, yes.
However, each new Zelda is someone's first so I understand why they stick to the successful formula
However, each new Zelda is someone's first so I understand why they stick to the successful formula
I don't get how Zelda is the "same game" repeated. Majora's Mask and The Wind Waker are both very unique. Even Twilight Princess has its own charm and is full of new ideas. Really Zelda makes more of an effort than most series to be original with each installment. There's just so many installments that it sometimes doesn't seem like that.
I would argue that Skyward Sword is to an extent, an overhaul. Eiji Aonuma said he was looking to change the formula from those of the older games the least of which is the new control scheme. That being said, I do think its about time that they do something drastically different. I loved Wind Waker for the fact that it was something which no one could ever have imagined they would do with the franchise. Innovation is what makes video games so different from other mediums and I daresay there's little enough of it around any way. We need big players like Nintendo to take risks to keep the ball rolling.
who cares what people are saying.
Those same people are saying nintendo main characters need voices
COUGH SAMUS COUGH
Those same people are saying nintendo main characters need voices
COUGH SAMUS COUGH
I haven't played a Zelda game since OoT (though I watched my brother play most of MM), but from what I hear from my Zelda-loving brother-in-law, they're doing just fine.
I should note, however, that he was not at all interested in Skyward Sword after watching the trailer; it just didn't do it for him. I'm sure once he gets his hands on the game he'll be singing a different tune, though!
I should note, however, that he was not at all interested in Skyward Sword after watching the trailer; it just didn't do it for him. I'm sure once he gets his hands on the game he'll be singing a different tune, though!
It'd be nice to see the series add some voice acting (if done right of course), the random grunting noises with text tends to throw me off a bit, it should go full voice or no voice.
Leave the main Zelda titles alone and make a separate LoZ RPG series. I mean, Mario RPG (and its spiritual successors Paper Mario and the handheld Mario & Luigi series) have lived alongside the "normal" Mario games. So why can't a LoZ RPG be made in the same fashion?
I'm sure that there are people who are sick of playing what seems like the same game over and over, but there are also people who like Zelda the way it is and think that you shouldn't fix something that isn't broken. The people in the latter are probably the ones who are most likely to buy Zelda games. If Nintendo were to change the formula now, they'd likely be alienating most of Zelda's fan base. If you're tired of playing Zelda, there are other games that you can play.
The fundamentals of the formula are fine, but there's a lot of fat which needs to be trimmed (way too many items) and even though the visual style changes with each entry, everything else stays identical, even down to the order in which items are collected. I'm not quite sick of the series, but am not all that excited about Skyward Sword either - a bit of a shock, considering Zelda is second only to Mario for series I grew up playing.
Nintendo either need to mix up the story from the Ocarina template they've been relying upon (Majora's Mask is a perfect example of how to do this), or do something new with the gameplay, like bringing back some of the original game's non-linear elements. The problem is that they hit near perfection for 3D Zeldas first time around with Ocarina, and are clearly having trouble working out where to go from there. (Especially considering Majora, despite being the best game since by far, didn't sell all that brilliantly).
Nintendo either need to mix up the story from the Ocarina template they've been relying upon (Majora's Mask is a perfect example of how to do this), or do something new with the gameplay, like bringing back some of the original game's non-linear elements. The problem is that they hit near perfection for 3D Zeldas first time around with Ocarina, and are clearly having trouble working out where to go from there. (Especially considering Majora, despite being the best game since by far, didn't sell all that brilliantly).
I want an overhaul. I lost interest in the game solely because it is the same crap every time. Nintendo is so traditional with this series. I would like just ONE game with Link to have a voice. If they can change the art style drastically for one outing, why not just give us ONE overhaul Zelda game.
If it's not broken, don't fix it.
Every title they release has some significant difference anyway. Even official sequels of previous games present new gameplay elements.
Sure, there are a LOT of games like it, but a lot of puzzles eventually make you look for the solution on GameFAQs at least once.
Every title they release has some significant difference anyway. Even official sequels of previous games present new gameplay elements.
Sure, there are a LOT of games like it, but a lot of puzzles eventually make you look for the solution on GameFAQs at least once.
No it always feels nice to play a new Zelda title, its fresh yet so damn familliar.
Feels like coming home for a visit except every time you do, the furniture is different yet still just as comfy as it was before.
Feels like coming home for a visit except every time you do, the furniture is different yet still just as comfy as it was before.
They still make Zelda games? Go figure.
How is this even a question? They've been making the same game over and over since 1986, of course it needs an update. Is there any other media where this tedium is so eagerly applauded?
So dumb.
How is this even a question? They've been making the same game over and over since 1986, of course it needs an update. Is there any other media where this tedium is so eagerly applauded?
So dumb.
They still make Zelda games? Go figure.
How is this even a question? They've been making the same game over and over since 1986, of course it needs an update. Is there any other media where this tedium is so eagerly applauded?
So dumb.
How is this even a question? They've been making the same game over and over since 1986, of course it needs an update. Is there any other media where this tedium is so eagerly applauded?
So dumb.
I think it could use some change up. but not much. I think it just needs less structure overall. How it is now, is
1.enter dungeon
2.Get compass/map
3.get keys
4.Find new item.
5.get boss key.
6.Use new item to kill boss. Hardely use said item again.
7.Get heart container.
8.warp out of dungeon.
All I would want to see is the game less structured. And more open. It can keep all he same mechanics and gameplay. Would be great if there were no load times, like you could just walk into a cave or dungeon seamlessly, or walk to any part of the world with no load screens/fade to black.(technology permetting)
And have the game feel open, sort of like fallout. Where you could stumble across some cave or town, and have no idea what to expect inside. possible some rare weapon or item, and not be sure if you will fight some type of boss character, or perhaps it is just completely empty. Or take on a quest to fight some big enemy, but you must go find him in some general area in the world and not right behind a boss door at the end of a dungeon. And give quests or actions or whatever multiple ways to complete. More open ended.
I just want it to return to more exploration, and the surprise behind it, and not knowing what to expect. and less like just completing structured 'levels'.
I know this is all easier said than done. But I would love to play this type of game from Nintendo. And I would say that it is possible.
1.enter dungeon
2.Get compass/map
3.get keys
4.Find new item.
5.get boss key.
6.Use new item to kill boss. Hardely use said item again.
7.Get heart container.
8.warp out of dungeon.
All I would want to see is the game less structured. And more open. It can keep all he same mechanics and gameplay. Would be great if there were no load times, like you could just walk into a cave or dungeon seamlessly, or walk to any part of the world with no load screens/fade to black.(technology permetting)
And have the game feel open, sort of like fallout. Where you could stumble across some cave or town, and have no idea what to expect inside. possible some rare weapon or item, and not be sure if you will fight some type of boss character, or perhaps it is just completely empty. Or take on a quest to fight some big enemy, but you must go find him in some general area in the world and not right behind a boss door at the end of a dungeon. And give quests or actions or whatever multiple ways to complete. More open ended.
I just want it to return to more exploration, and the surprise behind it, and not knowing what to expect. and less like just completing structured 'levels'.
I know this is all easier said than done. But I would love to play this type of game from Nintendo. And I would say that it is possible.
i love the series tho i do think there is room for change. i personally want an darker zelda. darker than twilight princess. oh and voice acting.
I'd like to see them do something new with the setting, maybe a bit more story. Most of all, I'd like to see new items, I feel like most of the items we get in a Zelda game are ones we've seen before, I don't mind seeing some old favorites, but I'd like more new ones.
The core formula should stay the same (dungeons, keys, etc), but I think a change in traversal would be welcome. Like how Assassins Creed opens up ladder and shortcuts as you go so, if you fall, you don't have as much of a backtrack to do. Zelda dungeons that become quicker to traverse as you delve farther in would make the experience much more ... friendly, I guess is the word.
The rest of it, I can enjoy as just plain Zelda-style.
The rest of it, I can enjoy as just plain Zelda-style.
Not a complete overhaul no, but more evolution than was present in TP certainly. With that said it seems we are getting that to some degree with SS, the new combat will shake things up in a big way and they are taking a new approach to the story. Will it be enough of a change? I'm not sure, but the fact remains that a huge amount of people won't care so long as it plays like a dream.
Personally after hearing that the team do keep a timeline and whatnot I wouldn't mind seeing them become more ambitious with the storylines and characters. Bring some narrative continuity to the series, give the next one a sequel (ala MM, PH) or something. Shake up the core themes a little, reinforce the series 'pixar'-ness in regards to being kid friendly but with stuff only adult players can appreciate and generally reshape the way it tells it's story.
Afterall they have changed the villain/s numerous times, that isn't the problem, it's more the way in which they generally follow a set formulae (for the most part) over the course of the game that has made it seem samey. This series is probably the one closest to my heart and in many ways I don't want to see them touch it, but looking back on it's history it can be a surprise to see that where it has proven most successful is when it -has- experimented or changed something we had previously thought reverential.
But I guess that is all a long winded way of saying "change stuff! But not too much." :P
Oh and I want them to continue to develop Zelda into something far far far removed from Peach. She works best as a character who can 'save herself' so to speak, and whilst the series was founded on Link rushing to her rescue I don't think it is a required element going forward. Personally I would love it if they turned the tables around in a sequence of a future game, with Link getting captured and the player controlling Zelda as she retuns the favour. I would also love to see Midna return but that is unlikely.
Lastly I hope they realise when NOT to innovate and change. For example they often bring back the same or similar weapons from past games and I am fine with that, they often come with new gimmicks and whatnot anyway. However they are in danger of shoehorning in new musical instruments for the hell of it now, I see no reason why they can't just bring back the wind baton or the ocarina, they have hardly gotten stale or boring.
Personally after hearing that the team do keep a timeline and whatnot I wouldn't mind seeing them become more ambitious with the storylines and characters. Bring some narrative continuity to the series, give the next one a sequel (ala MM, PH) or something. Shake up the core themes a little, reinforce the series 'pixar'-ness in regards to being kid friendly but with stuff only adult players can appreciate and generally reshape the way it tells it's story.
Afterall they have changed the villain/s numerous times, that isn't the problem, it's more the way in which they generally follow a set formulae (for the most part) over the course of the game that has made it seem samey. This series is probably the one closest to my heart and in many ways I don't want to see them touch it, but looking back on it's history it can be a surprise to see that where it has proven most successful is when it -has- experimented or changed something we had previously thought reverential.
But I guess that is all a long winded way of saying "change stuff! But not too much." :P
Oh and I want them to continue to develop Zelda into something far far far removed from Peach. She works best as a character who can 'save herself' so to speak, and whilst the series was founded on Link rushing to her rescue I don't think it is a required element going forward. Personally I would love it if they turned the tables around in a sequence of a future game, with Link getting captured and the player controlling Zelda as she retuns the favour. I would also love to see Midna return but that is unlikely.
Lastly I hope they realise when NOT to innovate and change. For example they often bring back the same or similar weapons from past games and I am fine with that, they often come with new gimmicks and whatnot anyway. However they are in danger of shoehorning in new musical instruments for the hell of it now, I see no reason why they can't just bring back the wind baton or the ocarina, they have hardly gotten stale or boring.
New control schemes, art styles, settings don't seem to be enough to change what is essentially a "3D" action RPG where the goal is to run dungeons and collect treasures that help solve previously unsolvable puzzles. The dimensions that Nintendo are adding to Skyward Sword (the ones they have previewed) aren't game changers, they're just bullet-point additions that owners of the Wii are likely to appreciate because it allows them to finally use their controller in the way they (and I) imagined we could when we first played Twilight Princess. But, I assume, the control scheme will eventually annoy, and we'll wish there was an option for button-press sword swinging.
It'd be interesting to see a Zelda with new game mechanics. Maybe add some optional quests (like a Witcher or Dragon Age), give Link the ability to amass a militia and storm Ganon's (or whomever's) tower. Terrible ideas, sure, but I hope Nintendo does something different with Zelda. Different enough that I look forward to the new one more than a probable announcement of a new Darksiders.
It'd be interesting to see a Zelda with new game mechanics. Maybe add some optional quests (like a Witcher or Dragon Age), give Link the ability to amass a militia and storm Ganon's (or whomever's) tower. Terrible ideas, sure, but I hope Nintendo does something different with Zelda. Different enough that I look forward to the new one more than a probable announcement of a new Darksiders.
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