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He's just trying to throw everybody off. They'll release a new system in the next 3 years (announcement at E3 2012 maybe?). After they're done taking "Scrooge McDuck" swims in all of their 3DS money of course.
If he's serious about the follow-up to the Wii (which is possible since it's not even his decision anyway), Nintendo is going to be making a huge mistake.
Yeah I really think he's just saying that about the Wii to throw us off here. Unlike Sony, Nintendo is really good about keeping things that are meant to be secret a "secret to everybody". (See what I did there? I'm so witty.)
I'm about to buy a 360 and a 3DS, I don't want to see a Wii successor for a good few years now. Besides, it's still a strong console and there are a lot of games I still haven't played yet.
Mr. Jonathan Holmes,
He's trying to divert our attention for their own secret's sake,
While he and Mr. Miyamoto enjoy that tasty cake.
So says Mr. Stewart.
He's trying to divert our attention for their own secret's sake,
While he and Mr. Miyamoto enjoy that tasty cake.
So says Mr. Stewart.
I think Sony will be first out of the gate with the PS4. They're not going to want to give MS another head start in America.
The Wii still has some legs left in it, I don't think Nintendo will bring a new system to market until the Wii's sales slow considerably.
The Wii still has some legs left in it, I don't think Nintendo will bring a new system to market until the Wii's sales slow considerably.
a) That cake is incredible.
b) I think he just got a little too cocky and threw some stuff out there.
b) I think he just got a little too cocky and threw some stuff out there.
@Johnathan - Metroid has always enjoyed critical acclaim, but it has never been a multi-million seller like Zelda and Mario have. Each Metroid game has topped off at just over a million sales, usually. And Japanese sales never come close to what American sales have for that series, they've just never appreciated the series as much as westerners have.
Also, what you claim as merits to the series - that's generally why it never gets more than a million copies sold. Silent, no character development and yet there's lots of story that, unless you experience [i]in context to the times the games were originally released, cannot fully be appreciated by the new gamers of today. Newer gamers that can pick up Metroid today, play it and understand it the way you and I did are going to be rare at best.
Going back to that its going to be a really hard thing for even Metroid to do, we've had eight years of more-story driven Metroid games, so going back to how it was in 1994 may not be the most practical decision. And even as great as the Prime games were, Prime 3 was struggling for new ideas, some of which came off really arbitrary.
And people freaked about about people talking - hell, just there being other people - in Prime 3 as well. God forbid Samus even have interaction with other people, even though she's a bounty hunter that works contracts for a living.
Also, what you claim as merits to the series - that's generally why it never gets more than a million copies sold. Silent, no character development and yet there's lots of story that, unless you experience [i]in context to the times the games were originally released, cannot fully be appreciated by the new gamers of today. Newer gamers that can pick up Metroid today, play it and understand it the way you and I did are going to be rare at best.
Going back to that its going to be a really hard thing for even Metroid to do, we've had eight years of more-story driven Metroid games, so going back to how it was in 1994 may not be the most practical decision. And even as great as the Prime games were, Prime 3 was struggling for new ideas, some of which came off really arbitrary.
And people freaked about about people talking - hell, just there being other people - in Prime 3 as well. God forbid Samus even have interaction with other people, even though she's a bounty hunter that works contracts for a living.
Yeah man, Nintendo needs to move forward with a successor before the others. I think, in around two years, Nintendo should release a successor with the following:
1. Modern graphical/display/internet/etc. capabilities. Essentially, it needs to be a modern console. At the least, I would expect slight improvements over the PS3.
2. Cheap. It needs to be around the same pricepoint as the PS3 and 360 of the time.
3. Interesting new control mechanic. It needs a way of improving upon ALL the current motion tech. My guess: some combination of Kinect and Move/Wii+.
4. They NEED some sweet killer apps right on release. I mean, some sort of much much improved Wii Sports. A new Mario. Maybe a new Zelda, Smash Bros. or Mario Kart. Some combination of these a few random decent-to-good third party releases would do a lot....
5. Wii backwards compatibility.
If they pulled this off, they would be able to sell it as revolutionary, sell it as modern, and sell it as "priced for a family budget." They would also be able to sell it as an effective replacement for a Wii. Maybe they could even create some sort of slightly rebated "Trade in your Wii for a NuWii" sorta plan.
That's how Nintendo needs to move ahead. Otherwise, they jeopardize falling back into late n64/gamecube era-style secondary hardware importance, which was not a successful long-term position for Sega....
1. Modern graphical/display/internet/etc. capabilities. Essentially, it needs to be a modern console. At the least, I would expect slight improvements over the PS3.
2. Cheap. It needs to be around the same pricepoint as the PS3 and 360 of the time.
3. Interesting new control mechanic. It needs a way of improving upon ALL the current motion tech. My guess: some combination of Kinect and Move/Wii+.
4. They NEED some sweet killer apps right on release. I mean, some sort of much much improved Wii Sports. A new Mario. Maybe a new Zelda, Smash Bros. or Mario Kart. Some combination of these a few random decent-to-good third party releases would do a lot....
5. Wii backwards compatibility.
If they pulled this off, they would be able to sell it as revolutionary, sell it as modern, and sell it as "priced for a family budget." They would also be able to sell it as an effective replacement for a Wii. Maybe they could even create some sort of slightly rebated "Trade in your Wii for a NuWii" sorta plan.
That's how Nintendo needs to move ahead. Otherwise, they jeopardize falling back into late n64/gamecube era-style secondary hardware importance, which was not a successful long-term position for Sega....
@Holmes: "the sight of" :P
First rule of console club is: You do NOT talk about the next console. At least before it makes sense. A confirmed Wii HD would slow down the Wii sales even more, I don't think they would announce it more than a year ahead.
First rule of console club is: You do NOT talk about the next console. At least before it makes sense. A confirmed Wii HD would slow down the Wii sales even more, I don't think they would announce it more than a year ahead.
They're aiming to sell tons of red Wii consoles this holiday, ~of course~ there's NO new Nintendo console in the horizon, who EVEN could have thought about that possibility? Seriously. Go buy a red Wii for christmas, please.
Mattrotroid: How about let's bash on Metroid: Other M because lots of people don't like it? I mean, are we supposed to like it just because you do? Or just because it's published by Nintendo?
I haven't even played the game. The point is that you have no right to tell people they're wrong for feeling differently from you. And since when is it "cool" to bash Metroid games? Usually bashing Metroid games will get you shunned in any gaming community. The fact that a fair amount of people agree that the game isn't that good means that it probably isn't that good.
Usually people suck Metroid off like it's got the cure for cancer in it's testicles.
I haven't even played the game. The point is that you have no right to tell people they're wrong for feeling differently from you. And since when is it "cool" to bash Metroid games? Usually bashing Metroid games will get you shunned in any gaming community. The fact that a fair amount of people agree that the game isn't that good means that it probably isn't that good.
Usually people suck Metroid off like it's got the cure for cancer in it's testicles.
I dunno Holmes, is it hard for you to understand that Other M is a good game whether or not it appeals to you personally? What about the fact that despite the game's quality (which according to the vast majority of critics is pretty damn high), they simply failed to entice buyers in the first place? Buyers who had no way to know of all the little stupid complaints a limited portion of so called TRUE METROID FANZ have made? Given that, yes, it's hard to know exactly what went wrong with reception and what they need to change for the next one.
And what's wrong with having a couple more years without a Wii successor for you to be so amazed that they won't discuss specific plans before selling that many more Wiis? Is there some rule that says they must release it next year or what? Next year is the 3DS time to shine, and there are plenty more "big" Wii games to come, both known (Last Story, Dragon Quest X) and unknown (as Nintendo rarely show games long before release these days and they did indicate they have more titles in development in recent interviews), as to not need a successor. Granted the number is pure PR talk just to get you to shut about the successor a little, it certainly drives his point home, so it's very possible a new system will be released before that milestone, but at least it should make shitty blogs stop pretending that it's happening tommorow and that the Wii is already dead whenever its sales lower for a few months in a row (and then proceed to shut up in the holiday periods where it picks up again as usual).
I'm surprised you didn't comment on his other statement about having good third party support but I suppose even you can't deny that it's been receiving more titles than usual lately, and it's not like it would be wise to kick third parties while they're down. After all, their failure to support the system harmed themselves the most, money left on the table and all that, which is why they all jump to 3DS so fast, and likely will do the same with a future home system.
And what's wrong with having a couple more years without a Wii successor for you to be so amazed that they won't discuss specific plans before selling that many more Wiis? Is there some rule that says they must release it next year or what? Next year is the 3DS time to shine, and there are plenty more "big" Wii games to come, both known (Last Story, Dragon Quest X) and unknown (as Nintendo rarely show games long before release these days and they did indicate they have more titles in development in recent interviews), as to not need a successor. Granted the number is pure PR talk just to get you to shut about the successor a little, it certainly drives his point home, so it's very possible a new system will be released before that milestone, but at least it should make shitty blogs stop pretending that it's happening tommorow and that the Wii is already dead whenever its sales lower for a few months in a row (and then proceed to shut up in the holiday periods where it picks up again as usual).
I'm surprised you didn't comment on his other statement about having good third party support but I suppose even you can't deny that it's been receiving more titles than usual lately, and it's not like it would be wise to kick third parties while they're down. After all, their failure to support the system harmed themselves the most, money left on the table and all that, which is why they all jump to 3DS so fast, and likely will do the same with a future home system.
Other M hasn't hit the million mark yet!! That's upsetting. Man I love that game. It's almost exactly what I wanted out of a new 3rd person Metroid. The only thing left to make it extra nice would have been HD. The graphics were pretty slick as they were, bit HD would make it that much better.
I bet they know what went wrong (let's face it, they do listen to fans, even if they don't show it; what was E3 2010, if not a long love-letter to their fans?), they just don't want to come right out with it. Personally, I think they should leave Metroid with Retro; they know what they're doing and now that they've had a go at 2D with DKCR, they could take a fair whack at a handheld 2D Metroid.
To clarify, I'm not puzzled that Nintendo isn't going to suddenly announce a new home console, I'm just puzzled that they named a specific number of consoles that they plan to sell before talking about the subject.
At best, that sets them up for looking like liars in the long run if Wii sales really slow down, and they announce the console before the Wii hits 45 million sold. At worst, it makes them look like they're blackmailing their audience into buying more Wii consoles so that they'll make something new.
As for Other M, c'mon now. There are so many reasons why the game wouldn't sell. Piracy, stiff competition from Red Dead Redeption, weird gameplay, abandonment of the feel and style of Metroid and Metroid Prime; the list goes on and on.
The only things the game really had going for it was the Metroid name and a few cool commercials. Like someone up there said, Metroid games rarely sell that well anyway. The fact that Reggie expected the game to sell over a million units says to me that he overestimates the importance of marking, and underestimates the importance sticking with your strengths.
At best, that sets them up for looking like liars in the long run if Wii sales really slow down, and they announce the console before the Wii hits 45 million sold. At worst, it makes them look like they're blackmailing their audience into buying more Wii consoles so that they'll make something new.
As for Other M, c'mon now. There are so many reasons why the game wouldn't sell. Piracy, stiff competition from Red Dead Redeption, weird gameplay, abandonment of the feel and style of Metroid and Metroid Prime; the list goes on and on.
The only things the game really had going for it was the Metroid name and a few cool commercials. Like someone up there said, Metroid games rarely sell that well anyway. The fact that Reggie expected the game to sell over a million units says to me that he overestimates the importance of marking, and underestimates the importance sticking with your strengths.
1 - Other M (or Mmetroid if you prefer), Dont sell because it's quite different and gamers kind of hate different things. Maybe they lost the oportunity to start a new IP. Same everything, another universe. Maybe without the "weight" of be a Metroid, the game could have more chance.
2 - They imposed a hard goal in terms of Hardware selas. Impossible? Maybe not. They can change the hardware a little (make wonders it DS and X360). Think, the Wii is the only console that hasn't a plastic surgery in this generation.
2 - They imposed a hard goal in terms of Hardware selas. Impossible? Maybe not. They can change the hardware a little (make wonders it DS and X360). Think, the Wii is the only console that hasn't a plastic surgery in this generation.
@Jonathan - you're in some serious denial about Metroid if you don't see Other M as markedly similar in flow to Zero Mission and Fusion. If you have to know how Other M is structured, you can't let those games get away either because"
- They're just as "linear"
- They're just as hand-holding
- Fusion is just as story-driven in proportion to Other M.
What Other M did was nothing new to the series aside from cutscenes and acting, its just fans are in denial about these other "issues" they claim only Other M has, but Fusion and ZM totally have them as well. Nintendo didn't "abandon" the feel of Metroid, fans just can't seem to move past what Super Metroid or Metroid Prime are. And that's only what this is about - that its a console Metroid that didn't match or surpass Super Metroid/Metroid Prime.
You CANNOT make a game like that today and expect it to sell any better, not with all the presentation elements that are now expected. Metroid Prime 2 sold low numbers, too. Metroid Prime 3 did not fare that much better. So adressing the points you're concerned about isn't going to move the series forward any better.
I think Retro could do amazing things with the engine that Other M has and would love to see them have a go at it, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they can make another game in the style of Super Metroid or Prime and expect it to bottle lightning all over again. DKCR might, but that's because 2D platformers have so much more design freedom and like Mario or Link, DK is like Homer Simpson. The next day, the next adventure is just a giant continuity reset.
- They're just as "linear"
- They're just as hand-holding
- Fusion is just as story-driven in proportion to Other M.
What Other M did was nothing new to the series aside from cutscenes and acting, its just fans are in denial about these other "issues" they claim only Other M has, but Fusion and ZM totally have them as well. Nintendo didn't "abandon" the feel of Metroid, fans just can't seem to move past what Super Metroid or Metroid Prime are. And that's only what this is about - that its a console Metroid that didn't match or surpass Super Metroid/Metroid Prime.
You CANNOT make a game like that today and expect it to sell any better, not with all the presentation elements that are now expected. Metroid Prime 2 sold low numbers, too. Metroid Prime 3 did not fare that much better. So adressing the points you're concerned about isn't going to move the series forward any better.
I think Retro could do amazing things with the engine that Other M has and would love to see them have a go at it, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they can make another game in the style of Super Metroid or Prime and expect it to bottle lightning all over again. DKCR might, but that's because 2D platformers have so much more design freedom and like Mario or Link, DK is like Homer Simpson. The next day, the next adventure is just a giant continuity reset.
prob they can stretch the wii a while since i geuss they aiming for a big succes on the 3ds till there next home console.
In all fairness, it seems like Reggie likes his job and is simply trying to hype up his company and keep them excited. For some reason I sense this might be a whole big mountain out of a molehill.
@ The Silent Protagonist- If you try to jump off a ledge in any Metroid game other than Other M, do you ever hit an invisible wall that keeps you from falling?
If not, then I think you'll have to admit that maybe you're the one in denial about Other M. If permitting you to falling from a misplaced jump isn't hand-holding, then I don't know what is. And don't get me started on the way that the new power-ups are just handed to you at random times, or "find the green slime on the ground before you can proceed" scene. The amount of times that Other M physically holds you back from exploring, or physically hands you something new to hold, are too many to count.
I agree that Fusion and Zero Mission are more linear than a lot of fans remember, but doesn't that tell you something about how well they were made? If Other M did its job, it wouldn't have felt so linear. That's the trick; leading your player on a set path without them know that that's what you're doing. Zero Mission and Fusion pulled that off much better than Other M. If they didn't, then why else would fans complain about Other M so often?
And I don't know why you are so sure that a traditional 2D Metroid game wouldn't sell in today's market. NSMB Wii was a traditional 2D platformer, and it sold over 15 million. Punch-Out was a traditional Punch-Out game, and it sold over a million copies. Kirby's Epic Yarn is selling well, Shadow Complex sold great on XBLA/PSN, Cave Story did well on WiiWare, the list goes on.
Anyway, even if you were right about that, that still wouldn't change the fact that altering Metroid to make it more marketable to today's gamers wasn't a good idea, as evidenced by Nintendo's disappointment with Other M's sales. You can argue with me all you want, but that wont change the fact that Other M didn't succeed, at least in Nintendo's eyes.
If not, then I think you'll have to admit that maybe you're the one in denial about Other M. If permitting you to falling from a misplaced jump isn't hand-holding, then I don't know what is. And don't get me started on the way that the new power-ups are just handed to you at random times, or "find the green slime on the ground before you can proceed" scene. The amount of times that Other M physically holds you back from exploring, or physically hands you something new to hold, are too many to count.
I agree that Fusion and Zero Mission are more linear than a lot of fans remember, but doesn't that tell you something about how well they were made? If Other M did its job, it wouldn't have felt so linear. That's the trick; leading your player on a set path without them know that that's what you're doing. Zero Mission and Fusion pulled that off much better than Other M. If they didn't, then why else would fans complain about Other M so often?
And I don't know why you are so sure that a traditional 2D Metroid game wouldn't sell in today's market. NSMB Wii was a traditional 2D platformer, and it sold over 15 million. Punch-Out was a traditional Punch-Out game, and it sold over a million copies. Kirby's Epic Yarn is selling well, Shadow Complex sold great on XBLA/PSN, Cave Story did well on WiiWare, the list goes on.
Anyway, even if you were right about that, that still wouldn't change the fact that altering Metroid to make it more marketable to today's gamers wasn't a good idea, as evidenced by Nintendo's disappointment with Other M's sales. You can argue with me all you want, but that wont change the fact that Other M didn't succeed, at least in Nintendo's eyes.
@ MasterBalls: Actually, it's because they're from Japan. Pretty hard to be an American company when you were founded by Japanese dudes in Japan.
I'm not sure why metroid would have to be "done up" / made more accesible to newcomers to the franchise... It'd be like frogger having a forcefield or bullet time added. I really wonder why they can't make a metroid game keep it's 2d action and difficulty , personally I'd be happier knowing that I could play with the increasing difficulty . Sad he's a bit confused why it didn't sell.
Mario is creepy in this picture, hiding behind the cake and watching them smiling like "Yes... That's it... Eat the cake... Eat it right up..."
as someone who works in game retail i had expected Other M to be the game that 360/ps3 only gamers, who own a wii but never play it (like me,) would pick up and really get into. Unfortunately it wasnt that game that the adverts had me expecting, at least not as good as the select game footage i saw made me expect
Linear or not, through its flaws, I enjoyed the hell out of Metroid: Other M... and that's after I just recently beat the beyond amazing Super Metroid(for the first time). Sales wise, I have no idea why it didn't sell well. I mean, Scott Pilgrim didn't make mad money either. Go figure. Everything, in terms of popularity and sales, aren't as clear cut and dry as we may think.
I'm pretty sure he threw out the number "45 million" since he had been comparing the Wii to the PS2's life-to-date install base in the US (which is around 45 million).
Personally, I interpreted the quote as Reggie just saying that they - obviously - see a lot of life left in the Wii. I don't if it that will be the case, especially looking at the currently barren release schedule for 2011. But I don't think it's worth worrying about statements like that.
Personally, I interpreted the quote as Reggie just saying that they - obviously - see a lot of life left in the Wii. I don't if it that will be the case, especially looking at the currently barren release schedule for 2011. But I don't think it's worth worrying about statements like that.
What I understand from these quotes is that Reggie Fils-Aime is an idiot, plain and simple: Other M is a disaster of a Metroid title.
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