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Personally i have no problem with piracy. Within reason.
If you want to properly keep up to date, we Europeans have to little choice but to import/mod.
With great games still not out or delayed endlessly (Rockband/Smash Bros/No More Heroes) etc its no wonder that people feel that they have too look to illicit way of getting their gaming needs.
Oh and with Piracy, also comes rape and looting. Both worthy hobbies.
If you want to properly keep up to date, we Europeans have to little choice but to import/mod.
With great games still not out or delayed endlessly (Rockband/Smash Bros/No More Heroes) etc its no wonder that people feel that they have too look to illicit way of getting their gaming needs.
Oh and with Piracy, also comes rape and looting. Both worthy hobbies.
I think that piracy is bad , but don't affect the actual game sales... if a game is good people will like it and buy it...if the game is bad people will not play it even if its "free"
Piracy hurts gaming, its one of the factors why companies like Bioshock are making more games driven towards the Console (besides more money). PCs really need some sort of defense against pirates...
Music and movies, on the otherhand, I could care less if people pirate. Sure they are going to lose money due to piracy but they overcharge the public and actors/musicians make more money than they are worth anyways.
Music and movies, on the otherhand, I could care less if people pirate. Sure they are going to lose money due to piracy but they overcharge the public and actors/musicians make more money than they are worth anyways.
Man, I laughed so hard with this episode, and I loved the bit of "I have one penis, and one hole, can you solve the puzzle?"
Anyway, most of the games I have imported are for GBA and NDS, although not that much.
In the aspect of piracy, well, one can get frustrated with the time dates, especially in Europe and Australia, and I can tell that, I've been living in Norway for 7 months now and the release dates over here makes one to go into the piracy. One good example was the release of The Dracula X Chronicles, in America was in October and over here in February, that's a lot of difference.
I don't blame people who chooses to use the piracy as a medium to get the games faster, but still, it's kinda sad that many, but many does it just to get free games and not to buy them.
Well, I better shout my pie hole before this turns into a wall of text.
Again, a great episode, I really enjoyed it.
Anyway, most of the games I have imported are for GBA and NDS, although not that much.
In the aspect of piracy, well, one can get frustrated with the time dates, especially in Europe and Australia, and I can tell that, I've been living in Norway for 7 months now and the release dates over here makes one to go into the piracy. One good example was the release of The Dracula X Chronicles, in America was in October and over here in February, that's a lot of difference.
I don't blame people who chooses to use the piracy as a medium to get the games faster, but still, it's kinda sad that many, but many does it just to get free games and not to buy them.
Well, I better shout my pie hole before this turns into a wall of text.
Again, a great episode, I really enjoyed it.
If you don't work, pirate. But then again, games/movies should be free for students since it helps them creatively expand themselves and all that.
Except for Nintendo. I'm going to teach my students never to buy their products and show them how to mod their consoles when I get to teaching :P
Except for Nintendo. I'm going to teach my students never to buy their products and show them how to mod their consoles when I get to teaching :P
"I think that piracy is bad , but don't affect the actual game sales... if a game is good people will like it and buy it...if the game is bad people will not play it even if its "free""
Perfect thinking. It's not only the PC market that pirates either. I have a cousin who has 2 Xbox 360s. One for his Xbox Live account, another he never updates or lets go online. Instead, it's open-cased with a harddrive the size of Jim and has a ton of illegal games on it. Why does he do it? Cus he doesn't care about buying some of the games unless he KNOWS they're worth it. With events such as Jeff from GameSpot being canned over an honest review, it's an eye opener for some that review companies are paid off. So we can only trust our own instincts.
I'm for piracy. If BioShock were PC only, I woudln't have bought it. I would have downloaded it quicker than going to the store. I'm now cool with installing root kits and having SecuROM crap all over my games. If I finish the game and want to loan it out to my friends, I'm gonna do that. Remember in the 90s when we shared movies and music with each other? What's the harm in that? If I really enjoyed the movie/music, I'd buy it myself. Or when my friend showed me Mortal Kombat 3 (which I didn't want to buy) and let me borrow it for a month, I ended up going to the store with my saved lunch money and buying it. The problem with piracy: generic crappy slapped together games will NEVER be bought because who wants to waste money on that crap?
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Perfect thinking. It's not only the PC market that pirates either. I have a cousin who has 2 Xbox 360s. One for his Xbox Live account, another he never updates or lets go online. Instead, it's open-cased with a harddrive the size of Jim and has a ton of illegal games on it. Why does he do it? Cus he doesn't care about buying some of the games unless he KNOWS they're worth it. With events such as Jeff from GameSpot being canned over an honest review, it's an eye opener for some that review companies are paid off. So we can only trust our own instincts.
I'm for piracy. If BioShock were PC only, I woudln't have bought it. I would have downloaded it quicker than going to the store. I'm now cool with installing root kits and having SecuROM crap all over my games. If I finish the game and want to loan it out to my friends, I'm gonna do that. Remember in the 90s when we shared movies and music with each other? What's the harm in that? If I really enjoyed the movie/music, I'd buy it myself. Or when my friend showed me Mortal Kombat 3 (which I didn't want to buy) and let me borrow it for a month, I ended up going to the store with my saved lunch money and buying it. The problem with piracy: generic crappy slapped together games will NEVER be bought because who wants to waste money on that crap?
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I will be making a skit. I am american. I don't expect to win, but if you like it enough, put me up as a runner up and then say something to the extent of "Fuck you, American pig."
Ha, fucking Danny Elfman and Oingo Boingo. The rampant ass fucking Nintendo expects it consumer base to take these day's is nothing short of amazing. I was more than willing to defend their marketing choices with the Wii but anyone who thinks they can still defend the big N and its obvious contempt for gamers is insane.
Piracy will always be a double edged sword. The more people pirate games the more obnoxious game publisher will become with security features. So while I won't condemn someone for being a pirate I don't want to hear a bunch of pissing and moaning when companies become Gestapo like with DRM.
Shit this is over 200 words better throw in a Kitten for Wardrox.
Piracy will always be a double edged sword. The more people pirate games the more obnoxious game publisher will become with security features. So while I won't condemn someone for being a pirate I don't want to hear a bunch of pissing and moaning when companies become Gestapo like with DRM.
Shit this is over 200 words better throw in a Kitten for Wardrox.
@ Wilbo
They didn't even let you talk normally, but damn, it was funny to hear you talk like Connery every time they let you talk.
They didn't even let you talk normally, but damn, it was funny to hear you talk like Connery every time they let you talk.
Just have one thing to say:
Jim: You're dead fucking wrong.
Smash Bros. doesn't cost any money to play online. The Pay to Play is coming out after Brawl. Brawl's already out in Japan, with free online. It'll come out soon enough in America, with free online.
And I suspect it'll come out in Europe, with free online.
If you're going to bash a company for doing something, at least know they're actually doing it, as opposed to bashing them for doing something they're not doing.
There's plenty to bash them for without making shit up.
Jim: You're dead fucking wrong.
Smash Bros. doesn't cost any money to play online. The Pay to Play is coming out after Brawl. Brawl's already out in Japan, with free online. It'll come out soon enough in America, with free online.
And I suspect it'll come out in Europe, with free online.
If you're going to bash a company for doing something, at least know they're actually doing it, as opposed to bashing them for doing something they're not doing.
There's plenty to bash them for without making shit up.
"So while I won't condemn someone for being a pirate I don't want to hear a bunch of pissing and moaning when companies become Gestapo like with DRM."
But who suffers? The consumer (the people purchasing) or the guys downloading and never worrying about keeping all their manuals for years to call a company and ask permission to install the game they bought? DRM does nothing but bug the people who spend money. No one else is harmed by it, especially hackers who will always be one foot ahead of the piracy war race.
But who suffers? The consumer (the people purchasing) or the guys downloading and never worrying about keeping all their manuals for years to call a company and ask permission to install the game they bought? DRM does nothing but bug the people who spend money. No one else is harmed by it, especially hackers who will always be one foot ahead of the piracy war race.
I know, but Like I said, I like to think of people as female :)
I shall make a note: Everybody is female on the internet, apart from Neonie.
I shall make a note: Everybody is female on the internet, apart from Neonie.
You see I already solved my Smash bro brawl hate problem. I have my xbox 360 next to my wii and so will my other friends next to their wii's. We will use xbox live to talk to eachother while fighting on our wii's :D. Problem solved aye? We would use a game like halo 3 and just stay in a room thats invite only. Eh EH? Am I on to something here? Or just use your pc but thats harder.
Funnily enough I've gotten both the (female) and the (pokemon) thing before, trust me your not the first lol ^_^.
"But who suffers? The consumer (the people purchasing) or the guys downloading and never worrying about keeping all their manuals for years to call a company and ask permission to install the game they bought? DRM does nothing but bug the people who spend money. No one else is harmed by it, especially hackers who will always be one foot ahead of the piracy war race."
Oh yes the poor paying consumer who can’t load a game onto 80 machines at once. He truly is getting the shaft while hackers and pirates dance merrily in a field with kittens. I’m being a sarcastic ass because it’s my firm belief that a large percentage of these paying customers have taken part in piracy at one point or another. The relationship between gamers and game companies is cause and affect.
At one time games came with no copy protection and people pirated the shit out of them. So game companies responded with security features which people immediately hacked around so companies responded with even more stringent security measures and the cycle never ends.
The only people who get truly screwed are the small percentage of gamers who have never pirated anything ever. This is why I don’t want to hear the pissing and moaning personally because I know a good portion of it comes from fuckers who are part of the problem.
Do you truly expect companies to not protect their intellectual property? I know it’s the cool and elite to bash on large corporations but don’t they deserve to make at least a small profit? It’s kind of hard when people pirate the shit out of your games and that doesn’t even begin to cover pirating small independent studio’s who can’t take the hit giants like EA can. There is never an easy answer when it comes to piracy and my guess is in another decade it will be a moot argument when digital distribution becomes the way of the world.
Oh yes the poor paying consumer who can’t load a game onto 80 machines at once. He truly is getting the shaft while hackers and pirates dance merrily in a field with kittens. I’m being a sarcastic ass because it’s my firm belief that a large percentage of these paying customers have taken part in piracy at one point or another. The relationship between gamers and game companies is cause and affect.
At one time games came with no copy protection and people pirated the shit out of them. So game companies responded with security features which people immediately hacked around so companies responded with even more stringent security measures and the cycle never ends.
The only people who get truly screwed are the small percentage of gamers who have never pirated anything ever. This is why I don’t want to hear the pissing and moaning personally because I know a good portion of it comes from fuckers who are part of the problem.
Do you truly expect companies to not protect their intellectual property? I know it’s the cool and elite to bash on large corporations but don’t they deserve to make at least a small profit? It’s kind of hard when people pirate the shit out of your games and that doesn’t even begin to cover pirating small independent studio’s who can’t take the hit giants like EA can. There is never an easy answer when it comes to piracy and my guess is in another decade it will be a moot argument when digital distribution becomes the way of the world.
look at the music business today... more bands are letting you download the albums for free or paying what you think is fair. Im not saying that's the solution, but its a lot closer than to put copy protections to a game, i mean , how long can it take a group to hack that? its silly...
Again, the best solution is to do good games...people will buy them
pd: thats why there are music ARTISTS and thats why people in videogame medium aren't ...a music artist want to reach the people and communicate something, videogames nowdays are all about sales and bitching...
Again, the best solution is to do good games...people will buy them
pd: thats why there are music ARTISTS and thats why people in videogame medium aren't ...a music artist want to reach the people and communicate something, videogames nowdays are all about sales and bitching...
@Origim
"At one time games came with no copy protection and people pirated the shit out of them."
----I love that excuse, yet, DOOM was a high selling game and you can STILL find pirated copies on the street. Don't give me that. People that are into piracy only buy games WORTH buying.
A customer wouldn't put a copy of a game on 80 different computers, idiot. The problem with your idiotic argument is that you claim that poor customers would do that but open your eyes! The people into piracy are the ones FREE of DRM!!!
"At one time games came with no copy protection and people pirated the shit out of them."
----I love that excuse, yet, DOOM was a high selling game and you can STILL find pirated copies on the street. Don't give me that. People that are into piracy only buy games WORTH buying.
A customer wouldn't put a copy of a game on 80 different computers, idiot. The problem with your idiotic argument is that you claim that poor customers would do that but open your eyes! The people into piracy are the ones FREE of DRM!!!
@DryvBy: Funny I dont recall insulting you directly and I blatantly pointed out I was being sarcastic with my 80 machines comment and you choose to call me an idiot and claim my arguments are tired and sad.
I happen to be one of these poor gamers you claim to defend and still fell the way I do. As soon as I post this I am off to pan handle in front of a super market in an effort to afford Lost Odyssey. So while I could continue to debate this issue with you, I think the far better solution would be for us to both take our sad and tired arguments and go our separate ways.
I happen to be one of these poor gamers you claim to defend and still fell the way I do. As soon as I post this I am off to pan handle in front of a super market in an effort to afford Lost Odyssey. So while I could continue to debate this issue with you, I think the far better solution would be for us to both take our sad and tired arguments and go our separate ways.
Question for you limeys. Why haven't you guys switched to the Euro like everyone else in the EU?
Irishman here.
Irishman here.
Piracy will always be a part of the media industry. New improved methods of encrypting discs will only ever slow the process down, if the encryption protocols were created by humans then they can also be broken by humans - remember how long it took to crack the encryption on 360 discs?
Good stuff. I can't agree with the Wii being shit. The hardware is fun, but the majority of the software is shit, that I can agree with. Is there someone that considers themselves more than a casual gamer that has played their Wii more than a few hours the last month? SSBB might change it, but damn...
Piracy? Love it within reason.
Piracy? Love it within reason.
I have used piracy in the past, but usually a last resort. Living in Australia, or all places, where the US's M15 games often get bumped to R18+ here (and with no R18+, that means BANNED FOREVER unless content is removed) I often find myself with little alternative but to download said games.
The Supreme Court here did fairly rule that using mod chips to get around regional locking was a valid thing for a consumer to do, especially given the price differences between software locally and overseas, so that made things a tad easier.
With that said, when I buy a PS3 I will have no need to mod it. Region freeness will be the one thing that draws me back to Sony. I will mod my damn Dual Shock 3 with a decent d-pad if I have to, but I will get a PS3 because I'm fucking sick of Nintendo and I don't want an MS console to die out the ass on me just because I turned it on when the planets weren't aligned with the moon in the house of Aries on the day of the Solar Equinox.
Sony have effectively removed my need to pirate shit on their console. I will need to find an import store better than PlayAsia though. They still have nasty mark ups. Anyone in the US know of a decent online store that ships to SUN CANCER LAND?
The Supreme Court here did fairly rule that using mod chips to get around regional locking was a valid thing for a consumer to do, especially given the price differences between software locally and overseas, so that made things a tad easier.
With that said, when I buy a PS3 I will have no need to mod it. Region freeness will be the one thing that draws me back to Sony. I will mod my damn Dual Shock 3 with a decent d-pad if I have to, but I will get a PS3 because I'm fucking sick of Nintendo and I don't want an MS console to die out the ass on me just because I turned it on when the planets weren't aligned with the moon in the house of Aries on the day of the Solar Equinox.
Sony have effectively removed my need to pirate shit on their console. I will need to find an import store better than PlayAsia though. They still have nasty mark ups. Anyone in the US know of a decent online store that ships to SUN CANCER LAND?
Was this podcast about 'importing and piracy' or 'importing Smash Bros and how much Nintendo sucks'? Anyway interesting points on importing, It must be tough being in the UK, constantly shafted with release dates.
Yeah the DS has a bunch of mini games, but just because it's $30 for a crossword puzzle, doesn't mean it's not stealing to play a bootleg. Nintendo's providing a service, that you can pay for and enjoy, or not purchase, no ones being lured into stealing in my opinion.
Also, I don't mean to insist on a PG13 podcast or any regulating on your guys' freedom of speech, but the first 10-15 minutes were pretty hard for me to get through, nothing about games, just everyone being as vulgar and explicit as possible. Other gaming sites' podcasts are equally informative, yet I don't have to wear headphones for fear of my wife listening in. Just a thought.
This was the first D-Toid podcast I've listened to, good job guys and lady.
Yeah the DS has a bunch of mini games, but just because it's $30 for a crossword puzzle, doesn't mean it's not stealing to play a bootleg. Nintendo's providing a service, that you can pay for and enjoy, or not purchase, no ones being lured into stealing in my opinion.
Also, I don't mean to insist on a PG13 podcast or any regulating on your guys' freedom of speech, but the first 10-15 minutes were pretty hard for me to get through, nothing about games, just everyone being as vulgar and explicit as possible. Other gaming sites' podcasts are equally informative, yet I don't have to wear headphones for fear of my wife listening in. Just a thought.
This was the first D-Toid podcast I've listened to, good job guys and lady.
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