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The Podcastle 14: Magazines n' sh*t photo

If you like listening to The Podcastle, well you're in for a treat son, because we have Episode 14 for you right now! You usual cast of Jim Sterling, Wardrox and Atheistium are joined by returning guest Phoenix Blood to discuss all sorts of things, ranging from GTA to stolen televisions to our main topic, print media.

Also guest starring: Background noise of piano and birdsong. Epic! But for now, here's a handy list of things to listen out for in this episode:

  • Phoenix had a few connection problems. She kindly recorded her reactions to them.
  • Beautiful Katamari is demanding and Gitaroo Man is the king of games. Also, GTA (Gobbly The Arseholes) IV talk primes us for the upcoming controversy episode.
  • Tell me ... how does Motorstorm make you feel?
  • Harry Potter fans are the reason games get spoiled.
  • Solidrox? ... Can't be!
  • Wardrox manages to lose an entire HDTV in the middle of a podcast.
  • Guitar Hero and how Wardrox's dad is his mum.
  • Edge is the best thing in the world, apparently.
  • The difference between British print media and American print media.
  • Can official mags be trusted?
  • The truth about "free" game discs.
  • PSM2 was pretty cool.
  • Magazine editors be warned: Your testes are forfeit at the next GMAs.
  • More abuse of the listeners.
  • "It's not casual gamers I fear -- it's Ubisoft."
  • A long discussion of EGM's integrity and apparently saying several nice things about Sharpless = wanting to have sex with him.
As always, you can download/stream us at the official page, or check us out on iTunes. Love to ya Niko mah bredren!







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Jim Sterling serves as reviews editor for Destructoid.com, head of the Podtoid podcast, and produces a number of news stories, original features, one-of-a-kind videos. With his passionate argumentative style, controversial opinions, harsh delivery, and dedication to brutal honesty Sterling is a name that you can't help but recognize. Likes PS2, iPod Touch, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid, Dynasty Warriors 3 Meet the rest of the team



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Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 19:01
Samit Sarkar
Look it’s dat damn Podcastle and ting
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 19:03
wardrox
Atheistium hates Sharpless, confirmed.
Kif 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 19:20
Kif
Note to self: If I'm ever going to meet Atheistium, buy some new shirts.

Also Edge and GamesTM are the only magazines I even buy nowadays. Gotta read something on the shitter, right?
Lord_Satorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 19:27
Lord_Satorious
Yes, "Edge" is the best thing ever. There isn't a video game magazine in the US written for the 20-30+ demographic. I'm tired of reading "EGM" and feeling like I'm reading something for sixteen year olds.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 19:54
Cowboy TTop
Yep Edge is top mag, and that why its still around, because it caters for older gamers. I'm also tired of kiddy games mags that sell on hype and enlarged screenshots. Games TM is tops too.

We understand if you don't dig them Jim (perhaps bitter chips cause they didn't hire you, go figure), perhaps you prefer to read single format mags instead.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 20:20
aborto thefetus
What the hell is Pheonix-blood talking about? Americans don't have to import Edge. Every Borders I have ever gone to sells them.
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 20:29
Alexradl
I've got to move to Europe. Anyway, great episode, as always.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 20:46
Jim Sterling
"We understand if you don't dig them Jim (perhaps bitter chips cause they didn't hire you, go figure), perhaps you prefer to read single format mags instead."

The Hell? I distinctly remember agreeing with Lauren about the benefits of magazines in this ep. Whenever I buy a games magazine, GamesTM is my mag of choice.

No idea where you got the impression that I actively dislike them.
The Bez's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 20:56
The Bez
^FAIL
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 21:16
Maurice Tan
Yay Hollie!
Elitechief27's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2008 21:31
Elitechief27
Nice podcastle guys. Since Retroforce is MIA for a few weeks, I'll have a little suprise for you guys next show. It won't be a haiku, but it will be something special, you just wait and see
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 02:12
Cowboy TTop
Okay Jim, well if I'm mistaken, I apologise to you.
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 02:37
TheRemedy
A) The way Brits say stupid is adorable!

B) I'll try to do better next time Jim.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 03:04
Sharpless
Uh oh. I'm scared to listen, now.
Trevsweb's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 03:45
Trevsweb
The DS gutiar hero looks like a trumpet! im gonna go tm trumpet hero... ooooo u can use the mic to blow into (for the trumpet)
hjd uk's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 05:16
hjd uk
Hey jim! how the hell do i PM you?

Britains finest game devs: Majestic Studios

And their stellar game : Asset Theft
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 08:51
Clance
Great pod, I will say this:

- Let's hope Sharpless wasn't on the phone to his misses when Atheistium was....errrrm... well. That would have taken some explaining.

- On the MGS review-gate no score thing. I am with Wardrox On that one. I also think that when you subscribe to a game company doing you a favour and giving you the game early etc etc, you have to accept you are selling your soul to get that 'exclusive' and should therefore accept that somethings should not be divulged. As if Konami needs these guys to sell Solid Snake's final fucking stand. So get to play the game early, get your hits, make the companies advertising on your website happy and fuck off because without the people that make these great games we wouldn't have a job or a fucking industry.

On the other hand, if you don't want to leave out the glitches and flaws in a game, then just wait and play it like everybody else and give it the score that it deserves, hence not selling your soul to the man.

Rant over. Back to the work I should be doing.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 08:53
Clance
"Hey jim! how the hell do i PM you?"

Matt Damon!
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 08:54
Clance
"A) The way Brits say stupid is adorable!"

The way the yanks say it is fuckin' stoopid
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 11:00
Demtor
Just wanted to say that was a great show guys! I had fun listening. Hearing about Edge, and after looking in to it, I am now a jealous American... and wars have started over less so watch it! >:-)
Irvine_frost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 11:10
Irvine_frost
my god, girls with a british accent is so easy in the mind. and hot too.

i'm so moving the're
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 11:23
Clance
"girls with a british accent is so easy in the mind"

I think Atheistium and Phoenix Blood have quite neutral English accents. There are many variations, but I recommend you move to Liverpool or Birmingham to enjoy the delights of the 'British accent'.
Irvine_frost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 11:29
Irvine_frost
we're filled with texans here at the university, that accent is freaking torture
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 11:57
AgentMOO
Sharpless done got raped... in the good way
niacin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 12:13
niacin
sniff your mocking my scotland. At least we dont have stoke, yeah no answer to that is there.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 13:38
Sharpless
@Clance
I don't have a missus so, uh, I'll be safe. I'm listening now. *tremble*
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 13:40
PhazonYoshi
EDGE is my favorite, though I'm a cheap bastard so I normally just use the internet and teletext <____<
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 14:51
Sharpless
@wardrox
Publications shouldn't have to pay for games, for this reason: They need to get their games ahead of time, so they can have adequate time to play and review the game before its release. Thus, they can't go to a store and buy it, or else it will result in a late review. And generally speaking, I prefer to hear about a game as close to release as possible.

And I don't honestly see the justification of their, as Jim said, "take your ball and go home" mentality. That is unprofessional and childish. If they don't want negative reviews, make better games. If they keep getting negative reviews, then the answer is not "stop having your products reviewed," it's "make it so reviewers don't have negative things to say about our games."

Also, Lauren, Hollie, Jim, Wardrox: It's my birthday tomorrow. Thus, best birthday gift ever. :D WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME, LAUREN?
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 16:12
Clance
@Sharpless: She loved you "long time". She was right though, wow that was some uber love going on within the space of 5 seconds... Apologies, the word 'epic', 'a dude'... Sometimes you need a begrudgingly given blow job to bring you back down to earth.

For me on the review point though. To be fair that is the burden of reviewers and the curse. They must play the game they are reviewing in a very short period of time. Yeah, they won't enjoy it as much and can't treasure moments as much... But this is the sacrifice for being in their position, which is a right arm giver upper if ever I've heard of one for gamers. So bollocks to having a game too early.

But making bad games is not cool, although I feel for companies who don't have 4 years and a budget the size of Georgia to make a game like Rockstar that still get slated.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 16:47
wardrox
Happy Birthday Sharpless!

My point wasn't defending the people at Konami and what they did, they were dicks. but as Clance pointed out, it's basically that the reviewers are asking for this kind of stuff by demanding the free games. If they don't want the industry to put demands on them, then they shouldn't expect the industry to help them out.

In my opinion they should have nothing to do with the publisher or developer regarding the review. If you have it any other way, there will be bias in there.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2008 23:40
Sharpless
@wardrox
But my point isn't really that they should get free games. If they want to make the reviewers pay for the games, I have no problem with that. But I think that, whether paid for or not, the game companies need to provide full retail copies of games for the reviewers to play, and long enough before the game's release date that the reviewers can spend a substantial amount of time with the game. Apart from corruption, my two biggest complaints about reviews are late reviews and rushed reviews.

Thanks for the "happy birthday." :)
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2008 04:53
Clance
@Sharpless,

I don't think games companies 'need' to send anything to reviewers. If they have made a bad game they would probably be better off letting the reviewers and the public sweat over the quality of the game until after release. From a business point of view this makes sense. I mean, at the end of the day, good game or not, the developers are trying to make as much cash as possible - just like any other business in the world.

Take Haze, for example. I reckon the game would have sold much more on release if they weren't dealt such bad reviews in the week leading up to launch. Many people were turned off the game (plus the dodgy demo) and sales were probably hit by as much as 30% (or more than that. Or less. But a number here makes me look like I know what I'm talking about. Did I type that out loud? D'oh!).

It's not a civil duty to provide copies to reviewers and one day games companies could stop doing it altogether and there would be nothing we could do about it.

In the case of MGS, I think it is petty as the game is quite obviously orgasmic, so shouldn't need this kind of treatment.

Happy Birthday Sharpless, whoever you may be!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2008 13:59
Sharpless
As a consumer, I want reviews prior to a game's release, or at least on the day of its release. That's the bottomline and I know I'm not alone on that one. That's the way it has to happen in the games industry. That's the way it happens in EVERY industry. Music, movies, TV, books... reviewers almost always get advance access for review purposes. Games should be no different. Simply put, it IS a civic duty, in a manner of speaking.

And thanks. :)
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2008 08:39
Murumasa123
Lol i think Jim aint on Metacritic anymore!
Lowest is 87
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2008 08:52
Murumasa123
Anyway glad that they did a Magazine edition. Gaming Magazines are doing even better than film ones and since 1.4 billion mags were sold in the UK and 77% of adults regularly buy one, making us second in the world, its not really "surviving" they are flourishing.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2008 09:47
Jim Sterling
"Lol i think Jim aint on Metacritic anymore!
Lowest is 87"

Nope, still there.
maximumriskee's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/15/2008 23:17
maximumriskee
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8766157&publicUserId=5379721

Wardrox please read this and educate yourself. I'm a huge fan of the podcastle and I think you may have been highly misinformed and ignorant in your opinion of egm. Thanks.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2008 09:45
wardrox
@ maximumriskee, yeah, I read that.

The reason I was "highly misinformed and ignorant" on the EGM stuff was because that info came out 2 days after my rant. I was going off what was known at the time. Had I read it before we recorded, I would still have ranted, only I wouldn't have sounded quite so douchey.
maximumriskee's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2008 18:29
maximumriskee
sorry if i came off as some "White Knight" for egm but I'm a huge fan of the 1upnetwork and it was just highly irritating to hear them smeared like that. It's really cool you didn't flame me for flaming you though lol. More podcastle please!
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