The Internet has been all abuzz with the news about Sony's $100 price cut on the PlayStation 3. I'd like to take a quick look at all the talk that's been going on and what this might mean for Sony and the rest of us.
First, let's start with the news from those close to Sony -- namely, ThreeSpeech and PlayStation.Blog. ThreeSpeech tries to keep itself apart from Sony, and only has a short blurb and a link to GamesIndustry. PlayStation.Blog, though, has quite a bit more, with a more filled out explanation on what everything is in the package. Of course, there's not a ton of explanation behind these motives. So, where do we go for that?
Mr. N'Gai Croal, actually. Being all fancy with his Newsweek job and such (I <3 you, N'Gai!), he managed to sit down with Jack Tretton to talk about the price cut and such. Not surprisingly, Tretton continues to tout the "it's a great bargain" line with the fact that the machine is packing Blu-Ray under it's hood.
One of your main competitors, Microsoft has a number of the same features, but not all, in the Xbox 360. You don't think that the messaging that they put out would have primed the hardcore gamer to understand the PS3's potential value? At this point, I'm not sure what the total is for North America, but I believe that for this year, according to NPD, you guys have sold around 667,000 units, in addition to what was sold last year following the launch. So presumably, you're still talking to the early adopter and the hardcore gamer, who I think has the ability to understand this stuff. Then you've got Microsoft, which was already on the market with a lot of the same messaging. They didn't have a next-gen DVD drive built in, but they have downloads; the 360 SKUs that are really selling are the ones that have hard drives in them; it does video; it does pictures, etc. So I'm still not sure about how much of the reluctance from consumers stems from complexity of the message versus the price.
A little harsh, I'd say. Let's continue on and discuss this some.
Tretton, trying to take the question in stride, keeps up the Sony lines, this time with the "it's good for 10 years" line. Microsoft, meanwhile, is making you cobble together a next gen system with all these attachments and add-ons, that will ultimately look like a Frankenstein monster, and will only last about four years before bursting into flames (and throwing a small girl into a lake).
For the rest of the interview, it was a bit of smoke and mirrors, with Tretton trying to stay vague and give PR talk about the PlayStation 3's success with this new price cut. Now, the next step is fairly obvious: what did the fans have to say?
One thing I found particularly interesting was a poll going on in the CheapAssGamer forums. The poll asked if CAGers would be willing to pay for a $500 PS3. The result? About 25% said they'd be willing to do so. I don't know if this includes those who already own a PS3, but if not, then it shows some positive signs for the system.
If you take a look at the comments on the PlayStation.Blog post, I found it interesting the criticism of overshadowing the price cut with the announcement of the 80GB model. This is something I'll get into later,
What's more, Amazon gave us even more uplifting signs for the system. As Jim mentioned, the PS3 sales have gone up 700% since the price cut was announced. Also, as you can see below, the PS3 has jumped quite a bit in the Amazon sales rankings (however much that means to you is debatable):
Finally, there's the reaction from the competition -- namely, Microsoft. As of yet, there's been no comment from Major Nelson (although pay attention to the podcast, I'm sure he'll say something there). We've heard word of the 360 getting a price drop of it's own, due to the fact that the 65nm chips will soon be making their way into the consoles.
IGN also had some words from an unnamed Microsoft representative:
"We're not surprised by Sony's reaction to the market," a Microsoft representative told us. "We'll see if it makes a difference. It's interesting to note that they've significantly dropped their price in the first eight months while Xbox 360 has continued to sell well at our launch price for more than a year and a half. We're right where we want to be right now -- it's all about choice and bringing the best games and entertainment to homes around the world."
So, now that we've got all this information under our belts (and it really is quite a bit), let me dive into what I think this all means for Sony.
Essentially, this is a gigantic boon for Sony. Already there's been an increase in sales for the PS3, and this is only going to shoot up if there are strong PS3-exclusive games announced at E3. Here's my situation, which I think might mirror some other peoples' positions: right now, I only own a Wii. I've been saving up for an Xbox 360 Elite, which would come in at $479. Now, Sony has suddenly lowered the 60GB PS3, which I've considered to be plenty, to $499, a mere $20 above the 360. Now, it suddenly becomes a much more attractive offer. I know I want to buy Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII for the PS3, and if there's anything that gets me excited at E3, then I won't mind putting down the money for this console.
Sony really needs to push this price point, since it's so close to that of the Elite. If anything, they should let the higher 80GB PS3 sit off to the side as reserved for those who want to go into heavy downloading of movies and digital content, much like MS is doing with the Elite.
Does the announcement of the 80GB PS3 overshadow the price cut? I certainly don't think so. It's not like the Xbox 360 Elite is the only version of the console worth buying, and Microsoft realizes this. Sony needs to create more of a gap between the two systems, though. I really don't think that upgrading the HD by 20GB and including Motorstorm justifies a $100 increase. Microsoft increased the HD by 100GB and gave us HDMI ports for $80. Sony, you need to step up your game on this one. Even just some PSN points thrown in there would make it a little less painful.
I'm going to hold my thoughts on any reactions from Microsoft, because their E3 announcements will certainly shift the landscape some. At this point, though, I don't think a price cut from them will shift the market drastically. They've gotten gamers willing to spend just about $500 for the Elite, and so they've just opened the floodgate for Sony.
Sony just needs to take the aggressive and flex its muscles. In the N'Gai Croal interview, Tretton mentions that Sony has a strong first-party studio -- and they need to exploit that more. Some great games have come out of SCEA's development teams (Legend of Dragoon is a personal favorite), and if they unveil some new titles at E3, or give us some strong leads later on in the summer, it'll turn into more sales of the conosle.
So, is this going to turn things around for Sony?
Still, what's in the past is in the past. The NOW is what matters the most, and a lot of new info will be made clear come E3.
Can't wait!
damn this crappy keyboard!
I always liked the pure game companies far more than the giant corperate company with money to throw around. I kinda feel like Sony is driving for the games more than the tech now, and feeling the pain of the transition.
unless you're talking about blu-ray... then ya, the ps3 is a damned good value as a movie player.
"I own both a 360 and a ps3. I think a lot of you people that don't believe there are amazing exclusives coming to the ps3 are either slightly slow or living under a freaking rock. To me the PS3 at even $599 is a much better value than the 360 at $399. ITS ALL ABOUT GAMES AND SONY KNOW HOW TO DELIVER A UNIQUE AND FRESH EXPERIENCE."
DO YOU HAVE THE SAME PS3 THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS?
OR
ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE OR AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE?
I think when the PS3 is able to produce great games (that are actually on store shelves), then the PS3 will be a great value. Considering it is suddenly $100 cheaper, it does seem like a great value. However, it's still a $500 console.
It's not that I'm hating on the PS3. I do see so much more potential in it than I did a few months ago, but it's still losing exclusives, expensive to program for and own, and doesn't do as much for the consumer in the now.
In spite of this, I do think a lot more people will be willing to buy one. Let's not forget that the 360 has been on the market for almost two years, with a $400 price tag, better games, and Live and still hasn't sold as well as one might think. Price is still a huge barrier of entry and the sales of the PS2 tell that story all too well.
Many people will probably buy a PS3 at the newly discounted price, but will most? I'm going to say "no". I feel the same way about the 360. Most people will buy a console once it hits that magic $200 price point. Until then, we are all early adopters in the grand scheme of this generation.
I mean, this is what I, being a 360 and Wii owner, know I will play in the next few months:
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Halo 3
Rock Band
Guitar Hero III
GTA IV
Call of Duty 4
Metroid Prime 3
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
On PS3, what would I want to play?
MGS4...probably
FFXIII...maybe
Drake...maybe
Killzone 2...maybe
Burnout Paradise (also on 360, though built for PS3, so I'll put it here)
Heavenly Sword...probably
Is all this worth putting $500 down? If any of those games don't look great...no
Even if all those games look great...no. I'd still be fine with my 360.
If the PS3 drops to $400 at least, MAYBE.
Sony, let's talk in another year.
PS3 will have something neat?
I can't wait for SPORE.
Who cares about anything when Spore will be out sometime before I die... hopefully.
I still think it's too expensive, but I'll still buy it. Infact, I never bought my PS2 until 2002 or 3..about 2 or 3 years after launch.
I'm just curious as to how people think Live is a selling point though.. I wouldn't want to spend $50 dollars a year just to be online..I already pay my fuckin' ISP for DSL..why pay for a seperate online service? I just like Sony's position of making it free.
I guess I'm a tightass when it comes to financial decisions. As my father has always told me, "If it's free, then it's for me."
Wow that's a long post.
Some of those titles you listed are also on the PS3. Here's a list of titles that are worth mentioning for the PS3 (so far). And they aren't all necessarily exclusives, but here's what I'd buy if I was a PS3 owner.
Resistance
Socom Confrontation
Lair
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Grand Theft Auto 4
Half-Life: Orange Box
Guitar Hero 3
Call of Duty 4
Assassin's Creed
Rock Band
Timeshift
Army of 2
Brother's In Arms: Hell's Highway
Kane and Lynch: Dead Men
Haze
Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy 13 Versus
Alone In the Dark
The Darkness
Unreal Tournament 3
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Should I keep going. I think the software drought for the PS3 is close to an end. And I believe that a lot of the bad press and bad mouthing is because of company and service preference. And after E3, I bet that with everything that will be announced..the PS3 will be worth the buy..especially for those without an Xbox 360.
Sony's "10 year product plan" doesn't seem so bad when you look at it from that perspective.
Shit, I totally forgot about that game. I remember reading about it in EGM a few months ago..
The Wii is the Japanese economy car, you can drive the shit out of it, have fun, and it will hardly ever give you problems, but that 4 cylinder engine won't win you any races.
The 360 is the American Muscle Car, built in some guys garage by some teenagers and a blast to drive, but always needs work because somthing is always breaking, and lets not even touch on gas mileage
And the PS3 is a god damn semi-truck. Big, expensive, and slow to take off. But when (if) it does take off, it can crush anything in its way.
The PS3 will be a contender. It will do well... eventually. But personally, as a gamer, it is far on the backburner, and only after futher price drops and incentives will I consider it worth my dollars, particularly considering my cup is already overfull.
Honestly, I own all the consoles. They're all good consoles, they all have great stuff coming to them, they're all worth buying. (well, my 360 is currently bricked, but the games are good. I look forward to the 65 nms cause I think those will be much more reliable).
All things aside, I think this is good news for the PS3. It's a very good reliable console, easily the one best built console I've owned thus far (with nearly the durability of the n64, and that thing was friggen tough). And honestly, the PS3 comes with all the parts right out of the box and doesn't nickel/dime you for add ons. It's a good system and I don't regret buying it.
And don't try to weigh in the bundled Motorstorm in the equation at more than 10$. Yes, I saw you trying. ;)
Note: The same is obviously true for Microsoft with their Core/Pro/Elite bullshit).
this weeks numbers will look like launch numbers x 1000 because of all of the stock of the ps3 available (laugh now suckers), i think alot of people out there sat on getting a ps3 because of the price not the games that are not out yet or tentative exclusives, that is not how the mass market thinks ... they know msg4 and ff13 are coming out on the ps3 .. for most everything else is just a bonus.
however if things cool down significantly after the next 2 weeks i would think twice about buying sony stock, but IMO i really think this move is sony's bounce back into the race hardcore .. if they shift less than 1 million units before the end of the month i would be very surprised, but most importantly because its summertime every ps3 sold = a 360 not sold in the short term and thats how races are won.
It's not that you want to. It's that they want you to. Sony Pictures - BluRay stuffed down your throat - media convergence - Playstation as a "hub"... That sort of stuff.
As far as I'm concerned, I would like a unified console system that only plays its games. I have a PC to do everything else (and I guess I'm not the only one), I don't need my console to try to clumsily replicate that.
Xbox Live is good. It's just that it should be the norm, but people have adapted to low standards and see it as a divine gift (not quite a gift, I know).
Multiplayer is supported by MS, not the developer. I'm sure you've seen or heard of games that get shelved after 4-5 years of being around because the developer wants you to play their new game. Imagine what would happen if Blizzard shut down Battle.net servers to get people to buy WoW 2. That would result in faces getting curb stomped.
If you let a free publisher run network exist, you run into that potential issue. Otherwise your options are to let the publisher charge for game access (as was the case on some of the PS2 online games) or strip out online (Like Sega and VF5).
And who the hell needs a browser on their TV that badly? I only got the one on my Wii because it was free. I never use the damn thing because it's faster and easier for me to surf the internet on my computer.
As for watching streaming video, trust me, if you knew how to rip and dump your DVD collection to a 300 GB HDD and make it accessible over a network to your game console, you'd do it. Because, there's no greater joy in being able to switch between killing zombies in a mall, and then 30 seconds later, being able to watch Dawn of the Dead, all without having to get off your fat ass to change discs.
With my 360, I have a full media server streaming HD resolution content from my iMac onto my TV. It's quite exquisite. As for downloading, I don't like to rent anyway. I'd be interested to hear your complaints about this feature after Sony announces their own media download service this week.
Here's hoping another console doesn't share the 3DO's fate.
It seems as though this generation's early adopters have already bought their PS3s. A $500 price point for the PS3 absolutely makes it more attractive, but that doesn't mean it's worth the price yet to the average gamer.
*There was only one controller port on the console, while extra controllers plugged into the controller ahead of it. Very strange indeed.
Though I know price cuts are always a possibility for general market items, generally they come in $20 to $40 at a time, not a full $100 off.
As a Sony supporter (and supporter of Microsoft and Nintendo, I own all three consoles), I have to admit that such a drastic reduction in price really hurts.
Man, daisy chaining controllers! Thanks for the trip down memory lane. :)
To me, at the moment very little, and less when you consider that my gaming needs are already being met by games that are here now; real not potential. As this situation goes on the relevancy of the PS3 becomes less and less.
There are some games that do appeal to me and they "may" be Sony exclusive but for those few gems the cost is still to high. They will remain games that I respect, but maybe just will not get to own.
To me, at the moment very little, and less when you consider that my gaming needs are already being met by games that are here now; real not potential. As this situation goes on the relevancy of the PS3 becomes less and less.
There are some games that do appeal to me and they "may" be Sony exclusive but for those few gems the cost is still to high. They will remain games that I respect, but maybe just will not get to own.