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No one on staff is particularly interested in massively multiplayer online games; shocking, I know! Perhaps that will change with Guild Wars 2, perhaps not. A while back, executive producer Mike O'Brien posted a hype-filled design manifesto -- maybe you skimmed it?

With this new video, you don't have to feel guilty. Essentially, it takes the concepts mentioned in the manifesto and starts running. Actually, sprinting is more like it. The bold statements being made by AreaNet combined with the fantastic art style left me feeling impressed. Again, not an MMO guy. At all.

Guild Wars 2 will be at gamescom and PAX, so if you're hitting up either show, be sure to stop by.








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djiminezgamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:05
djiminezgamer
No monthly fees? I'm sold :DDD
Calavoow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:10
Calavoow
1. Thing alone will ruin this game, if not adressed properly: Lag

With a world reliant on things happening in real time and affecting attacks and the like, lag will put a serious dent in the game experience.
Drake00991's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:11
Drake00991
I just came in my pants infinite times
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:16
AceFlibble
The first GW was (is) fantastic. Even if it had had a subscription fee, it would still be not only the best MMORPGs out there but one of the best online multiplayer games period. I didn't like MMOs at all until I tried GW. I've been hyped for GW2 for the last three years and it's an utter crime that it hasn't gotten more coverage on the blogs, not to mention the major game sites.

And if GW is any indication, AreaNet absolutely can pull off everything they're promising. They did it with GW and a lot of the things they're talking about for GW2 already have their foundations in GW(1) mechanics. The only real problem I can see is that they are coming close to pulling a Molyneux; so far I can see them delivering everything they've mentioned, but if they push it much further then I'm going to start having my doubts.


We need a DToid Guild, if there isn't one already (I certainly haven't seen it).
Trevor McGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:19
Trevor McGee
Sounds very ambitious, hopefully they can pull it off well. It was a little odd hearing them basically trashing their own previous work. I actually really liked the first Guild Wars, and I really don't mind grinding, sometimes it's addicting. Do these people not know that Diablo fans exist? Anyway, like I said hopefully they don't mess this up and put out a really good game. I might pick it up eventually, but I haven't been too into PC gaming for a while.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:40
bluexy
Hire me already! I'll be your resident MMO nerd! So fucking excited for Guild Wars 2... I may stand in line to play the demo at PAX five or six time... AT LEAST!
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:45
Paroxysm
Absolutely stunning.
Derek Oliveira's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:50
Derek Oliveira
sounds like a regular RPG that has multiplayer features. I didn't like the first one so I'll probably pass.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:52
AceFlibble
@Nitex
GW1 could have already been a massive MMO revolution, but that game - just like this one - didn't get half the attention it deserved pre-launch. It got 'okay' coverage and still managed to be the #2 MMO right off the bat.

I've played WOW quite a lot - both before and after I played GW - and I'm fully confident that if GW2 got the exposure it deserves, it could knock WOW off the top spot. GW's main failing early on was just that a lot of people didn't hear about it until it launched, so it was hard to get excited for it. If GW2 manages to get more covergae without hitting Molyneux levels, I really don't see how it could fail.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 18:59
The Silent Protagonist
Sorry, but when the hell did Diablo clones become MMOs?

I don't mean that as a slight. I love Monster Hunter, Phantasy Star and Guild Wars, but MMOs they are not.
Iron Dragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 19:03
Iron Dragon
@The Silent Protagonist

Ohhh I'd say right about the time GW 2 became a persistent world instead of instanced?

Guild Wars was a CORPG but GW 2 will be MMO.
JerinsFury's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 19:12
JerinsFury
This pleases me greatly! I am still a huge fan of GW1 and it's expansions, so it is good to see they are making such huge strides in changing the gameplay up a bit.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 19:24
The Silent Protagonist
@Iron Dragon - An MMO without montly fees or at least microtransactions doesn't sound like an MMO that's going to last long.

I'll give it longer than DDO, but not much longer than it lasted before going to microtransactions.
Turbofail's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 19:52
Turbofail
I hear them bitching about a lot of problems, but all their "solutions" seem to the be the same catch phrases developers have been spitting out for years. "A world where your decisions have lasting effects! Enemies that really think! Full cinematic personalized story lines! Combat that isn't hack and slash!". Ugh, I feel like posting an article from about 10 years back with the developer saying the exact same things.
Beece's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 19:59
Beece
Looks incredible. So excited for this game
Gorash's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 20:19
Gorash
@ The Silent Protagonist

You're really not making a lot of sense. Define what an MMO is.
Waquan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 20:28
Waquan
Guild Wars 1 & 2...the MMO for people who hate MMOs.
Blahblahblahblah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 20:34
Blahblahblahblah
@The Silent Protagonist

Uhh.. there's still plenty playing Guild Wars, and you obviously don't know what MMO means..
Max-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 20:47
Max-
I can't wait for this game at all! After watching/reading all the changes they've talked about in their blogs I'm sold on this, heck it's got me playing the first GW all over again to unlock things! :D

Arenanet won't let me down...I hope.
Daniel Jara E's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:04
Daniel Jara E
F**** Awesome
SkullLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:18
SkullLeader
Wow, Destructoid. Finally coverin GW2 news! GG

Anyway, I already fapped like 12 times to this video today.
SkullLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:28
SkullLeader
Oh, one more thing.

If you've never played the original Guild Wars, you really shouldn't be acting so negative and skeptical. GW1 is actually really successful and is famous for no subscription fees. It wasn't a conventional MMO, but GW2 isn't going to be like GW1. ArenaNet has a fantastic reputation with its fans for delivering an awesome product. Pretty much everybody who's familiar with GW1 (and I mean, played it regularly, not quit 10 minutes because it's not like WoW) and ANet is very confident this game will live up to the hype.
Doctor Tran's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:30
Doctor Tran
The trailer is amazing. Let's hope they live up to it.
WildEcho's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:43
WildEcho
"We were going for a painterly, illustrative feel."

Is that why it looks like more Unreal engine bullshit with some light bloom? When will a developer have the balls to ACTUALLY MAKE THEIR GAME LOOK PAINTERLY AND ILLUSTRATED? LIMBO, the new Zelda (Skyward Sword? The title is eluding me), and a few others do a good job of not looking like dull-as-dishwater realism garbage.

No criticism of the game. It could turn out to be awesome. But this video is full of bullshit. When I see your game, I don't think, "WOW, THIS LOOKS LIKE NOTHING I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE". I think, "Wow, another generic fantasy MMO. I wonder which Tolkien races I'll get to be in this one."
darthVato's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 21:52
darthVato
I'm loling pretty hard right now at The Silent Protagonist...

FFS, Guild Wars is still going.

Might want to read up on this type of thing before you make yourself look like an idiot.
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:04
runtheplacered
Didn't care about Guild Wars 1.. but this actually looks decent.
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:06
runtheplacered
@ Silent Protaganist,

"I'll give it longer than DDO,"

Can you see the future? That game is still going and making plenty of money. I have no idea how you can know when that will stop.
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:07
runtheplacered
^^ and of course Guild Wars itself is still going just fine too... so, yeah.. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

(sorry about the triple post.. i'm done now.)
Bolduk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:23
Bolduk
MMOs are destroying gaming. But if it's free I'll give this one a try.
Nuula's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:26
Nuula
05:09... so... deathwing managed to break his way into other games i see...
SkullLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 22:37
SkullLeader
@WildEcho: He's mainly referring to the environments. Also, haven't you seen any of the concept art? ANet has AMAZING artists and the artistic design of the game is amazing. It doesn't look anything like Unreal.
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DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 23:05
DustyBlue
Well, color me excited. I played Runescape and World of Warcraft, and both became too boring too quickly. No subscription fees either? Shiiiiiiiiiit...
Shakaruine's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2010 23:12
Shakaruine
Yay for more bs phasing
Randios187's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 00:54
Randios187
Heard a lot about this game from a friend on nice long 8 hour car trips... but this just sold me on it.
Linkoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 01:26
Linkoman
Finally an MMO that isn't WoW or obscenely complex like EVE. I do enjoy WoW but I'm sick of clones. Time for something different.
James's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 02:24
James
hmmm I would not say its like nothing I've scene before.... just looks like any other fantasy game with the dev team standing in what looks like a street fighter IV trailer.

Saying that I gave GW1 a skip as I didn't have the time back then and now I've got some free time I can see myself at least giving this a try
ParticleSt0rm's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 02:32
ParticleSt0rm
I can't stand MMOs but damn that looks impressive. This one could well convert me if it lives up to the sales pitch.
Gee-Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 02:35
Gee-Man
Not too interested but hey, no monthly fees? That alone puts it over every other MMO I've ever seen.
Time Glitch's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 02:43
Time Glitch
Game won't be as revolutionary as the developers sell it to be, but I think they're trying for something different here. Guild Wars 1 was a testament to that. Low level cap, but increasing enemy difficulty is just one thing that sets GW1 apart from the competition.

I like these games because you don't feel obligated to get your "money's worth" out of them. You don't have to play Guild Wars like a second job because you're paying for it. It's the best "in and out" "whenever I feel like it" MMO out there, and I can't complain.

Bring it on Guild Wars 2...You look AWESOME.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 03:28
bustaballs
I wasn't a big fan of the first GW. I played FFXI for 6 years and I've played dozens, if not close to 100, other MMOs. I'm curious as to how they'll implement these new designs. I have high hopes but I'm not going to let the hype ruin it for me either.

@ The Silent Protagonist:

I agree with you completely. If Guild Wars is an MMORPG, so is Monster Hunter Tri. If Diablo is an MMO, so is Call of Duty 4. They are not MMOs. An MMO requires the game world you play in to be actively filled with hundreds or thousands of other players. Those games only allow a small number of people to be in the same game world at the same time. Just being in the same "server" or the same online game at the same time doesn't count as an MMO. This probably won't either.

And I'm saying this as a person who actively plays and loves Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst.
Dare365's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 03:35
Dare365
Anyone who knows the guys at ArenaNet, knows that they are VERY capable of delivering, especially when it comes to satisfying a community. Also, if you don't think an MMO without a monthly fee is possible, then look no further then the original Guild Wars, and ask anyone who played the game to its full extent if it played like a fully functioning MMO. The PVP was probably the best in any MMO and the story based quest were more interesting then any other MMO too. The support from ArenaNet was top notch, they took a lot of cues from the community and were the first to glorify their top PVP players and guilds.

The best MMO in my opinion will always be Ultima Online, but damn does the original Guild Wars hold a close second.
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 03:43
Gorescream
That HEUG dragon @ the end really looks like Chinwing, but then purple.

Color me interested.

However, since NCSoft killed off Auto Assault, I promised myself not to buy another product of them, but we'll see what happens in the future...
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 04:03
Gorescream
I was so sad that day the servers of Auto Assault went down....
Witherbucket's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 04:27
Witherbucket
@Gorescream
Don't see it as helping NCSoft, which I suppose happens, but as helping ArenaNet. I'm not a big fan of NCSoft either, but I try to make sure people know in this case all they're doing is publishing.
SkullLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 07:18
SkullLeader
Yeah.. I'm still shocked that people are surprised at no monthly fees. I mean, I understand some people just don't like MMOs so they don't follow them, but the original Guild Wars had no monthly fees and it was a pretty big deal. I was sure this was common knowledge in video game communities, even for people who never played it.
SBParrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 12:27
SBParrothead
Couple things of note:

There will be no phasing. When you do something in the world, it affects everyone. If you help save a town, everyone that comes along finds the town saved. If you let a bridge get destroyed, it's destroyed for the next person that comes along. They may find options to help defend or repair the bridge.

It's fully an MMO. Just like WoW and other games, you'll be able to come across a crapload of people out there in the world. There will be some instancing with regards to your personal story, but the world is the world and you all share it.

This is ArenaNet, not NCsoft.

That dragon people are calling Deathwing is the reason Deathwing left Ascalon and went to Azeroth. It's only a little one too... the Elder Dragons are bigger. Much bigger.

Level cap is 80, but the curve is flat, no increasing amount of time and grond required for each successive level.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 12:47
DinnertimeNinja
Well I LOVED GW1 (and I don't play MMOs because I find them tedious) and this looks to take that framework and make it even better.

And for those skeptical that ArenaNet can deliver on their promises, I can tell you this; even if it's flawed right out of the gate, ArenaNet WILL fix it by listening to the community and making any and all necessary changes. They are known for their incredible support and their desire to keep their games fair, balanced, and above all, fun.


Also, it sad to see so many people surprised that this game will have no monthly fees. Which basically just tells me that so many people are new to Guild Wars in general. They make money off of yearly/bi-yearly expansions which are practically entire new games worth of content.

GW1 was already the MMO for people who didn't like the bullshit of regular MMOs (you can hit the level cap in a day or two), and GW2 looks to continue that tradition and expand on it ten-fold.

I'll be there day one for this one.
CanderousXOrdo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2010 18:23
CanderousXOrdo
Second guy looks like Father Gregory from HL2
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