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If you've read elsewhere, you'll also find that EA's share price is the lowest it's been in 13 years.
So what you're saying is that TOR is nosediving faster than the Super Star Destroyer into the Death Star.
I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 1.3 million subscribers.
MMOs need to die ASAP the idea of them sucks, they never make the money companies want from them. and are usually dead after 3 months.
"Although the internet loves to pronounce the doom of all things, what we’re seeing is a huge increase in activity with [update] 1.2 as people return to see all of the new content."
Wow, he's braver than I thought.
Wow, he's braver than I thought.
I will always contend that SWTOR was a single player game that EA forced to be a mmo. Please Bioware just give us KOTOR 3.
@Mike
I basically treated TOR like KOTOR 3.
It was heavily instanced even while leveling, and I barely found groups for leveling/world PVP purposes: much less at endgame with the lack of a dungeon/group finder (which is supposed to be coming...at some point after they bleed more subscribers).
That said, my journey to 50 was actually pretty fun, just not worth paying $15 a month for.
I basically treated TOR like KOTOR 3.
It was heavily instanced even while leveling, and I barely found groups for leveling/world PVP purposes: much less at endgame with the lack of a dungeon/group finder (which is supposed to be coming...at some point after they bleed more subscribers).
That said, my journey to 50 was actually pretty fun, just not worth paying $15 a month for.
I agree that SWTOR had great single-player elements.
I hope that this signals the death of MMOs, especially with the launch of so many MMO titles in this period. The basic idea of an MMO is evil: just grind for that carrot and just when you get there oh here comes another expansion! I hate that!
Now F2P games are doing the same thing, oh sure you don't need to pay but what fun is it when I am stuck with the basic crap and the guy with all premium stuff is owning me?
The good thing is that there are so much games coming out that you have choices even without MMOs & F2Ps. Now if we can get rid of that DLC stuff it would be awesome.
I hope that this signals the death of MMOs, especially with the launch of so many MMO titles in this period. The basic idea of an MMO is evil: just grind for that carrot and just when you get there oh here comes another expansion! I hate that!
Now F2P games are doing the same thing, oh sure you don't need to pay but what fun is it when I am stuck with the basic crap and the guy with all premium stuff is owning me?
The good thing is that there are so much games coming out that you have choices even without MMOs & F2Ps. Now if we can get rid of that DLC stuff it would be awesome.
Would it be presumptuous of me to say that a small percentage of those lost numbers were due to the Mass Effect 3 endings? A friend of mine and the author of a blog I frequent quit because of that.
Heh. 200 million to build SWTOR, right down the toilet. It'll take decades of FTP microtransactions to break even. Good going, EA.
Wonder how many subs SWG had when it was taken down? Anyone got them numbers, id lulz all over EA, Bioware and LucasArts if that relic held more subs then this shiny piece of shit.
TOR is a brilliant, if a little grindy, single-player game.
No way in hell am I paying a subscription for it.
No way in hell am I paying a subscription for it.
Sharding, refusing to merge servers, no server transfers, and terrible management is whats causing people to leave. Well that and its nothing new, just another WoW-clone... Still, I had far more fun playing TOR than I ever did playing WoW.
Its the subscription fee that made me leave, personally.
Its the subscription fee that made me leave, personally.
Well count me in that 400,000.. Twice.. I actually unsubed, just to resub because I thought the perks they were giving (the tauntaun and whatever) were more then they really were, just to read the page on TOR's site and figure out that it wouldn't be worth even an extra month of playtime (that I probably wouldn't have used).
Plus, "you aren't looking in the right places" is a horrible way to go about it, because it isn't some rhetorical question: You either have the subcriptions or you don't. Its really just about the one time where you can say with any certainty in this industry that things are black and white.
I'm starting to see where people are saying BioWare has fallen though. I liked DA2 well enough to even defend it quite a bit, but after playing TOR and having just finished ME3 I can see what people are saying -and it has nothing to do with ME3's endings. Actually, for as much as I didn't like ME3's endings, my problems with the game were way more seated in all the graphical and grammatical errors I saw in the game from front to back. That games lacked some serious polish.
"Well, speaking from experience, even around launch, I saw less people in TOR's persistent world than I have in any other MMO I've ever played."
Me too, and I also dare say I saw about the same level of activity in the "over 1million strong" open beta, on one of the most populated worlds. Only problem there is too, the game really isn't stable, it has a hard time playing on my brand new gaming system (that I bought with TOR in mind) with 20 people in the zone, let alone over 50.
"I just recently started playing TERA Online, and I've already found and grouped with more people in the starting zone than I did the entirety of TOR."
I haven't been playing past launch, but I played the open beta weekend and I saw the same thing. As for the grouping situation in that game, its almost necessary considering when I played the open beta no one could tell who was fighting what. Even after playing WoW for 7 years I never saw that many people complain that others were stealing their kills, lol.
Plus, "you aren't looking in the right places" is a horrible way to go about it, because it isn't some rhetorical question: You either have the subcriptions or you don't. Its really just about the one time where you can say with any certainty in this industry that things are black and white.
I'm starting to see where people are saying BioWare has fallen though. I liked DA2 well enough to even defend it quite a bit, but after playing TOR and having just finished ME3 I can see what people are saying -and it has nothing to do with ME3's endings. Actually, for as much as I didn't like ME3's endings, my problems with the game were way more seated in all the graphical and grammatical errors I saw in the game from front to back. That games lacked some serious polish.
"Well, speaking from experience, even around launch, I saw less people in TOR's persistent world than I have in any other MMO I've ever played."
Me too, and I also dare say I saw about the same level of activity in the "over 1million strong" open beta, on one of the most populated worlds. Only problem there is too, the game really isn't stable, it has a hard time playing on my brand new gaming system (that I bought with TOR in mind) with 20 people in the zone, let alone over 50.
"I just recently started playing TERA Online, and I've already found and grouped with more people in the starting zone than I did the entirety of TOR."
I haven't been playing past launch, but I played the open beta weekend and I saw the same thing. As for the grouping situation in that game, its almost necessary considering when I played the open beta no one could tell who was fighting what. Even after playing WoW for 7 years I never saw that many people complain that others were stealing their kills, lol.
FREE TO PLAY- I mean, uh, yeah. It's a little sad knowing that some of you are all like "Death to the MMO Infidel!". I mean, MMO's like WoW? I hate copycat's myself but MMO is a technology, not a game design philosophy. Look at PlanetSide2, EVE Online or Guild Wars 2. Totally unique games that use MMO in a way that separates themselves from WoW entirely.
In any case, I think they should've made KotOR3.
In any case, I think they should've made KotOR3.
...... they just should have released a decent single player game like the other KTOR games (I still wouldn't have played it because EA) I think it would have done much better than trying to twist a great single player game into a flavor of the month MMO.
I just guessed that this would fall to a f2p model eventually. I guess it'll happen sooner rather than later. LOTRO has the right idea of f2p. I really enjoyed playing that and didn't actually pay a penny. I was rewarded points that in turn were traded in for the mission packs in certain areas. I'm sure I would have paid for some of the end game stuff, but the idea of paying $40-60 for a game that you then have to pay $10-15 a month for sickens me.
A Kotor 3 made by Bioware in this day and age would be terrible anyway.
Hey guys, let's all play Star Trek Online! No? Ok. :(
Hey guys, let's all play Star Trek Online! No? Ok. :(
The only thing Bioware and EA did right with the launch of SWOTOR was not requiring an origin install to play it.
We all know it was KoTOR3. The mechanics were completely wrong for an MMO setting. To narrow, to restricted in play styles, the near mirror aspect of the light and dark classes. Everything screams a design refocus at the 60-70% complete mark from RPG to MMO.
Protip for EA: stop buying great developers and then forcing them to abandon the practices that made them great and valuable in the first place. You are literally pissing money and people's careers away when you behave that stupidly.
We all know it was KoTOR3. The mechanics were completely wrong for an MMO setting. To narrow, to restricted in play styles, the near mirror aspect of the light and dark classes. Everything screams a design refocus at the 60-70% complete mark from RPG to MMO.
Protip for EA: stop buying great developers and then forcing them to abandon the practices that made them great and valuable in the first place. You are literally pissing money and people's careers away when you behave that stupidly.
@ TheNopeMan
That's said about everything. And of course it's never true.
I still play TOR, but only because I like playing with my guild. Been with them for years (originally in WoW), and it's still fun to be with them. If not for that, I would've quit about a week after hitting 50 probably (which was early January).
That's said about everything. And of course it's never true.
I still play TOR, but only because I like playing with my guild. Been with them for years (originally in WoW), and it's still fun to be with them. If not for that, I would've quit about a week after hitting 50 probably (which was early January).
Those 400,000 missing went to Toshi Station to pick power converters.
They were attacked by Sand People on the way.
They were attacked by Sand People on the way.
SWTOR seems specifically designed to ensure a low-density population. There are way more servers than needed. Also, the degree of difference between a 'Light' population and a 'Heavy' population doesn't seem very significant.
I think that benefits the game as a whole as it's not designed to be 'massively multiplayer' at all. It's for four people. That's it. The entire game worth playing is best enjoyed with only two people and their companions. Everyone else just gets in the way.
That of course is a double-edged sword. I feel it absolutely made the core experience of the game more enjoyable (contingent on the fact that I had a partner to play with). But by the time the story was finished and the highest level achieved, there is absolutely no community investment to hold someone in the game. It is completely non-committal.
I've been saying this would be the case right from the beginning but for what it's worth, I enjoyed it thoroughly and am ready to move on without any of the nagging baggage typically associated with leaving an MMO. (That's probably little consolation to EA or their investors, about whom I couldn't give a shit.)
I think that benefits the game as a whole as it's not designed to be 'massively multiplayer' at all. It's for four people. That's it. The entire game worth playing is best enjoyed with only two people and their companions. Everyone else just gets in the way.
That of course is a double-edged sword. I feel it absolutely made the core experience of the game more enjoyable (contingent on the fact that I had a partner to play with). But by the time the story was finished and the highest level achieved, there is absolutely no community investment to hold someone in the game. It is completely non-committal.
I've been saying this would be the case right from the beginning but for what it's worth, I enjoyed it thoroughly and am ready to move on without any of the nagging baggage typically associated with leaving an MMO. (That's probably little consolation to EA or their investors, about whom I couldn't give a shit.)
The whole "bolster numbers for investors" thing is precisely what is wrong with the gaming industry today. Too much concentration on pleasing investors not enough concentration on making good games.
Is it really fair to compare Tera, a brand new MMO, to TOR, which is now 6 months old? Of COURSE a brand new MMO is going to have a lot more people running around then one 6 months old. I'm sure Tera will have a similar feeling in 6 months. Hell, I logged into WoW for the first time in 7 years or so a couple weeks ago and didn't run into anyone, and there are still 10M people playing that... They're just not on the servers I play any more, and probably also in different zones (ie, ones related to expansions or higher levels). Tera will be the same in 6 months.
And no, I'm not a TOR subscriber.. I only time I played it was during a free weekend.
And no, I'm not a TOR subscriber.. I only time I played it was during a free weekend.
Hey maybe after an entire over saturation of online games we can go back to the dark ages of gaming. Playing all alone (or with the few friends that survive) on awesome polished single player games. Probably not gonna happen... At least they'll still exist in some form ^_^
@Tristix: What?
*looks at link. Hangs head in shame.
I don't know how I missed the helmet at second look. All I can I say, is for a moment i thought I wasn't the only person to have seen GNFOS. Now I'm just a shamed fucking ass. *sigh
*looks at link. Hangs head in shame.
I don't know how I missed the helmet at second look. All I can I say, is for a moment i thought I wasn't the only person to have seen GNFOS. Now I'm just a shamed fucking ass. *sigh
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But just starting EVE, a nine year old game, I run into a couple dozen people here and there even in quiet zones.
But just starting EVE, a nine year old game, I run into a couple dozen people here and there even in quiet zones.
I'm having fun, but it is the first MMO I've really played other than dipping my toes into DCUO. That being said, sounds like it's about time to announce an expansion.
@leshrac55
In the above article, I specifically note that I am comparing TOR's launch to TERA's -- or any MMO's launch in recent memory that I've played -- which is a lot. Not TOR's current state 5 months in to a brand new game.
I even saw more human interaction in Age of Conan.
In the above article, I specifically note that I am comparing TOR's launch to TERA's -- or any MMO's launch in recent memory that I've played -- which is a lot. Not TOR's current state 5 months in to a brand new game.
I even saw more human interaction in Age of Conan.
It was a solid game but it still felt too much like a single player game. Like they wanted to just make KoTOR 3 and then figured they could shove an MMO in there.
The people I talk to who played it really enjoyed it until they reached the level cap. Apparently, at that point the awesome story ends and you find yourself trapped in the usual MMORPG grind. If that's the case, why wasn't this just a single-player game. Sounds like it would have been better off as KOTOR3.
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