Quantcast


The message to fans in Advent Children Complete photo

Last Tuesday, I had the pleasure of going to see Final Fantasy: Advent Children Complete with Japanator writer Jeff Chuang. The screening, held by New York Tokyo for various members of the press at Sony's Wonder Technology Lab, provided a new look at this update of Advent Children.

It's been about 13 years now since we were first introduced to the universe of Final Fantasy VII, and Advent Children Complete seems to be a capstone piece to the whole series, closing it off so that the people involved can finally be free from the project. After all, this is the only title to see so many sequels and paraphenalia, to the point where it became overkill.

I say this because of Advent Children Complete. The original film clocked in around an hour and a half, and now Square Enix crammed in nearly another half hour worth of fights, backstory, and explanations, turning what I had always considered masturbatory fanservice -- very well rendered, but still wankery -- into a film with a much more cohesive plot that allowed me, someone several years removed from the franchise, to understand everything.

But the film also had a message for its fans, one that makes the film worth watching: Move on.

Final Fantasy VII, like I mentioned before, has been with us for 13 years, four games, several soundtracks, and thousands upon thousands of cosplayers. Innumerable pages of fanfiction and doujinshi have been written, ranging from jaw-dropping art to plots that induce self-mutilation. And it still continues. Just like the people of Midgar.

Even after the near-cataclysmic events of the game, two years later the people of Midgar are back to their daily lives, falling into the same old cycles, and perpetuating life as it used to be. But their past actions have paralyzed them, focusing their energy towards curing Geostigma, a mysterious affliction that is spreading like leprosy amongst the people, and as a result, the rest of the city remains largely ignored. Construction is at a crawl as Shinra tries to cure the plague -- something that they are at fault for, and ultimately to save their own ass, as the president is infected.

Cloud, too, is paralyzed by the past. Not only is he infected with the Geostigma, which gives him flashbacks of Sephiroth at inappropriate times, but he is also coming to terms with his past, in the cases of Aerith and Zack. Or at least he's trying. Instead, Cloud shirks almost all of his responsibility towards Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, who are all at 7th Heaven. He claims that he's searching for a cure, but instead he wanders about, avoiding direct contact with everyone, only listening to voicemails of people trying to reach him.

The problem is, everyone is trying to move on with their lives, but because Cloud can't, Tifa and the gang are ultimately held back by Cloud's behavior, which I can only describe as selfish and self-loathing at the same time. But the actions of the Remnants -- Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo -- force Cloud onto a path of reconcilliation and change, like any good story

To me, Cloud sounds a bit like the Final Fantasy VII die hards, stuck on their theories that Aerith wasn't supposed to die, living in their own closed communities. And they are a large buch -- large enough that Uematsu, Nojima, and all the others involved are all being held back by this project. It's something that's still brought to the forefront in interviews and appearances, casting a shadow over their more recent, and arguably better works.

From here, you can play along with the analogy as you watch the film: as Cloud progresses through the story, he meets up with the ghosts of his past, and they remind him that he can in fact move on -- they are not angry at him, and do not wish to hold him back. There's no need to worry about them. After all, he does have everyone else who's still alive to worry about, right?

It ultimately takes everyone to team up to stop the imminent threat of Bahamut before Cloud can move on to really confront his past with the final fight with Sephiroth. It's a marvelous fight, and after Cloud takes a hell of a beating, Zack has to remind him, "You've already beaten this guy once, right? It should be so hard." So, with some determination, Cloud banishes Sephiroth "back to his memories," the only place that he will remain.

In the final sequence, we see Cloud once again confronting his ghosts, who in fact leave him, forcing him to accept that he now has a new life to live -- no longer can he cling to them for comfort and avoid the real world. It's something he accepts rather gracefully.

And coming out of the screening for Advent Children Complete, I can't help but feel that's the message being delivered to the fans: it's time to move on from Final Fantasy VII. They're not going to be here to pander to your whims forever. Uematsu, Nojima, Amano, and everyone else involved are just going to move on, leaving you to learn for yourself that it's time to outgrow this series.

At the beginning of the film, the classic cityscape of Midgar is deteriorating 500 years after the events of the game. Buildings are covered in moss and plants, and the world is devoid of humans. The people have died out. So too will this fandom. And to be honest? This film is a good note to leave off on.

LAUNCH GALLERY (4 IMAGES)
Photo Photo Photo Photo









More gaming stories around the web. Got news? Submit yours to tips@destructoid.com



Post a comment! You can also post a photo below:

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

51 comments | showing # 1 to 50
prev next 50 comments

Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:05
Josh Tolentino
Needs more speculation about a remake.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:06
Justice
Wow, the metaphors run deep. Nice write up Brad (or should I say dick?). As someone who's never played FFVII, nor watched Advent Children (though I definitely want to see it) reading this has definitely made me want to do both even more so.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:11
Chris Carter
Hm. Well, the fact is, the fandom will not move on, and Square will churn out some more FFVII based games like Crisis Core.

A) Square likes money
B) Square is losing tons of money, except on it's FF-based games/FF cash-ins

I'm not the biggest fan of FFVII, but it really does deserve all the hype it's been getting. Also, we'll get our remake someday.
Fantus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:12
Fantus
"But the film also had a message for its fans, one that makes the film worth watching: Move on."

...until the next FFVII:OMGBBQHAXKTHXBYE Complete A2 v1.5 comes out

As soon as I think i'm out? THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!
Volkarin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:16
Volkarin
As a big fan of FFVII, it's the game that started my love for RPG's, I've always wanted more FFVII stuff remakes, movies, new games. But this article has made me realize that I should stop being a big selfish pansy and just let it go and move on. Thanks Dick
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:20
Discarded Couch Sandwich
I'll say i'm glad I read Kotaku's less than impressed write up on ACC first, because this has just put me on a high to see it again.

An extra half hour of the same gloriously OTT fanservice would be fine: wrapping up some ot the original plot holes is the cherry on top. It'll be much better of the team when Final Fantasy VII is truly complete. Then maybe they can finally be at rest and move onto new projects, rather than keeping the same old bird alive.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:23
Maurice Tan
What, a story in Advent Children???
kefkaesque's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:25
kefkaesque
This was a really good write up but the fact remains that Square is losing money, and that a FF7 remake would sell millions, I know I'd buy it.

So either way, unless Square doesn't want to make tons and tons of cash, FF7 won't die, for now anyway.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:26
Geoff Henao
I refuse to move on until we get a PS3 FFVII remake. Let the uproar continue!!!!
Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:26
Diverse
Great read, but the message will fall on deaf ears to most of the diehard fans.
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:29
taumpytears

beckstory.
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:34
Xhumation
I'll check this out sounds really interesting.

I think it was Yahtzee who once mentioned something about beating the bloody giblets that was once a dead horse and that's the case with FFVII, the game was great but I seriously think that it should finally become a piece of gaming history and not square's go-to cash cow. we all grew attached to Cloud and I even know straight women who wanted to fondle Tifa's poorly rendered but gigantic breasts but this really has gone on long enough.

It's time to move on to another kind of rpg maybe one with less androgynous characters that's less suited to crazy amounts of homoerotic fan fiction and what not.
Ryoma90's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:48
Ryoma90
Yeah, I agree. Move on. I got into the Final Fantasy VII Bandwagon kind of late (I played it on my PS2) and while it is a great game, I think all of this stuff is kinda...overkill. I do own Advent Children though, and will probably see this complete version at least once, but really, time for something new. :D
Waquan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:49
Waquan
Advent Children was a beautiful movie, but I guess I'm one of the few people that actually felt that The Spirits Within had a better narrative. Advent Children just feels too inconsistent, as though the developers merely created the movie as fanservice rather than actually making a good movie. The plot was thin, stretched out over nonsensical settings for the sole purpose of continuing FF7. I feel the same way about the Half-Life 2 episodes; there's no plot left and Valve keeps stretching it further than it needs to go.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:50
Wedge
Why does clicking on the header link for this story send me to someone's (probably promoted) cblog?
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:51
wanderingpixel
I agree. I love FFVII, but it's over now, lets let the past be the past and look towards the future for whats comming. That is not to say that you should not go back and play it, FFVII is a fantastic game, but it came out over ten yeas ago. Let it live out it's life in the realm of classics and give it a rest.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:51
wanderingpixel
I agree. I love FFVII, but it's over now, lets let the past be the past and look towards the future for whats comming. That is not to say that you should not go back and play it, FFVII is a fantastic game, but it came out over ten yeas ago. Let it live out it's life in the realm of classics and give it a rest.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:51
wanderingpixel
I agree. I love FFVII, but it's over now, lets let the past be the past and look towards the future for whats comming. That is not to say that you should not go back and play it, FFVII is a fantastic game, but it came out over ten yeas ago. Let it live out it's life in the realm of classics and give it a rest.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:51
wanderingpixel
I agree. I love FFVII, but it's over now, lets let the past be the past and look towards the future for whats comming. That is not to say that you should not go back and play it, FFVII is a fantastic game, but it came out over ten yeas ago. Let it live out it's life in the realm of classics and give it a rest.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 17:59
Chris Carter
I agree 100% with "I'm Ok". I can see the crux of this argument being "Square should move on": but there's no doubt with their recent profit loss announcement that they won't be telling fans "we hate money" anytime soon.
BlaspheMerius's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:01
BlaspheMerius
As much as I'm one to agree with the fact that the game is over-hyped by the fans.. I have small bone to pick with the writer of the article. After all, most of those games mentioned came after the release of the original version of this movie.
I certainly wouldn't say that the creators are slaves to the fan desires either. This game was iconic to an entire generation, and many of them became gamers because of FFVII. I myself did not, but I can still appreciate the way those people would view the game because of it. I used to harsh on them as well. But quite frankly, FFVII is something that in the hearts of fans will never die until they do. Even if no further word were ever mentioned about it again from SE, the fandom would never disappear.
It's something different for each person, but everyone has that something they will never get enough of because it had such a huge impact on them and the things they enjoy and love today. I really think that you're perhaps looking to deeply into the movie for extra meaning.
Just because these thoughts occurred to you while watching doesn't mean that it's some important hidden meaning from the creators to the fans to subside their lust. In fact, I'd imagine they wouldn't even try, since each iteration of the movie or game franchise only fuels the fires further, no matter the content thereof.
Poopface Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:09
Poopface Morty
Holy quadruple post wanderingpixel.

I'm with I'm OK...if they really wanted to convey the message of "moving on", then why the cash-ins on all the spin offs? If "moving on" is really their message, they shouldn't have been dangling the old carrot with each new FFVII game. If making money is their concern, and they think that releasing spinoffs that are mediocre at best (so I'm told anyway...grain of salt comment there), then I don't see why remaking the game is such a bad idea. Not to say that I'm exactly giving a shit for a remake, I just don't really see "moving on" as a message of theirs. Aren't they hurting financially somewhat? Cashing in on a tried and true title would make sense, even if it angers those who dislike those sorts of things.

WHERE'S MY GODDAMN FORUMS!?
Waquan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:15
Waquan
Good post, BlaspheMerius! I assume you grew up with FF6?
Brad Rice's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:27
Brad Rice
Just want to point out, I never said Square wanted to move on -- more so the people who worked on the project. Nojima, Uematsu, etc. The creative talent is delivering the message, not the company.
Analoge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:33
Analoge
It sure is a good thing they've come out with 1 and a half movies and 2 supplemental games, because I still don't understand what the fuck the ending of VII meant*.

*For those playing along at home, Analoge just said that the ending of Final Fantasy VII was a convoluted piece of rushed trash, and because it's popular, Square-Enix is scrabbling to make some sort of sense out of it, while still managing to ruin every good bit by making the annoying characters more annoying and making the good characters mere sidenotes.
MrPibb's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 18:33
MrPibb
Creativity is the important thing, moving on is important as well, but let's not forget what really drives the heart of game companies: money. With that said, never think that there is no more room for sequels and remakes. Big studio heads love nothing more than to fill their coffers with exploitable franchises.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:07
AceFlibble
FFVII wasn't that great and FFVIII is clearly far, far superior to the point where Nobuo Uematsu previously said he thinks it's the only FF game that doesn't need any kind of reworking.

Also Seifer could cream Sephirtoh's arse and I don't mean in the fangirl doujinshi sense.

Just throwing those out there.



@ Im OK: the reason is money. It almost does 'force' developers to go back and retread old ground because if there are millions of people begging for more content and willing to pay top money for it, why would the developers and publishers pass that up for a new product that might not and probably won't make anywhere near as much? On top of that it makes it hard for them to work on new projects if all the media and the fan base are stuck banging on about an old one.
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:12
Jawmuncher
Screw all this stuff, why can't I just have a true FFVII remake?
All you need to do is add better graphics and Square would be making that money
Mulk Calathar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:39
Mulk Calathar
Pffft. I was over FF VII back when I bought Dirge of $#@$ing Cerberous in a used bargain bin and then played it.
StickFlick's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:42
StickFlick
All I want is a true sequal. Not a quasi-sequal, not a prequal, not a goddamned movie sequal. A fucking sequal I can play and follow the story in. The goddamn movie if made into the sequal could have worked.

But no, instead of FFVII-2 we get FFX-2, a game where you dance to blind your enemies.

Fuck. That. Shit.
Mulk Calathar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:44
Mulk Calathar
Maybe the message of the movie should have been "We're sorry we didn't take the development of 360 version of The Last Remnant at all seriously. Thnx for the $60 though. Also come to think of it, Infinite Undiscovery could have been better too. Ha ha. Stupid xbox customers. "
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 19:53
SephirothX
Hah. Someone did far too much thinking for this article.

If Squeenix looked at their recent game sales and what not, the message to fans shouldnt be move on... it should be stick with what fucking works
grisser's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 20:23
grisser
Hehe where were you sitting?
We were one of the louder 4 guys sitting near the front :D (not all together)
Brad Rice's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 20:42
Brad Rice
@SephirothX: That's what a train ride back from Penn Station does to you.

@grisser: I was in the second row, all the way to the right, by the aisle.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 20:49
psycho terror2
i will continue to obsess over FFVII until square puts out a better game.
Orsi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 21:34
Orsi
@StickFlick

lol, I made an account just give you props on the hilarious comment. Fuck that shit is exactly what I was thinking.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 21:48
Chris Carter
@psycho terror2
A few are called FFVIII, FFX, and FF Tactics. Of course, that's just in the realm of FF games.
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/25/2009 23:06
10BobMarleys
Yeah, Im sure Squeenix are REAL keen to put this cash cow to bed. Come on, dude...........
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 01:20
Wexx
*applause*
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 02:53
psycho terror2
@ Magnalon

played em, liked em.

not as much as VII.
jaxx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 03:23
jaxx
I don't think Squeenix really did too much overkill as far as the series goes. Sure Dirge of Cerberous turned out bad, but Crisis Core was flippin sweet. I personally like the FFVII universe, cool ideas, as long as they keep putting out quality (over quantity) then what's all the whining about? True there was a lot of fan service, but it was done with heart, and if they were "only" trying to please fans then the Chrono series would be a flippin cash cow also but they don't hardly touch that series except to port it, I'm sick of these "elitists" who think they're "better" for trashing FFVII (bashing it because it's popular, and we all know everything that's popular sucks right?), when they (Squeenix) start making piles of crap (like the star wars prequels) then I'll jump on the overkill bandwagon, but until then bring more FFVII stories. And this is coming from a perspective of someone who thinkgs FFVI is the best FF. Bleh...
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 04:10
glipe
You must be feeling really supple after that stretch! ;) Seriously, while I think the message you're trying to put across to the die-hard fans is one they should have stumbled upon and taken to heart some time ago, you're using massively abstracted metaphors. I'm pretty sure there's enough in there for you to say "FF7:ACC is telling you I tapped your mom and it was great." if you wanted.
jackal27's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 06:05
jackal27
GREAT read! I wasn't even interested in seeing this until now. I wholeheartedly agree as well. This game has been holding them back for a long time. Just like I feel that Ocarina of Time is holding the Zelda series back a bit.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 11:00
Aurain
Move on is the message that I've had for Square-Enix for years.
Aziel13's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 11:47
Aziel13
needs more cloud and seph battle
oh Tifa doushinji
hermes's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 13:02
hermes
I think you are reading too much into it. Either that or Square is just a bunch of hypocrits. I seriously doubt they want people to "move on" when they keep making sequels, prequels, what ifs and directors cuts of FF VII.
I will believe it when I see two TGS with no mention of Cloud and One-winged Angel, but that would be like believing the moon won't come out tonight...
OmegaNemesis28's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 15:57
OmegaNemesis28
um..... what

I signed up just to comment on this.
The movie isn't about telling fans to move on. Nor is Square trying to portray this message in any way.

Why do I say this?
Because, Square didn't make 2 sequels (Dirge, this) and a prequel (Crisis Core) for nothing. They did it for 3 reasons:
1)fans, as obviously stated.
2)money, game devs or any company/business for that matter does not do anything because they can. It is purely for the $ - every company is like that.
3)To actually finish the story that was never completed.

It is like writing a novel, but leaving the last 60 pages of the story blank.
The prequel comes into play because Square knew Zack was a very important character that no one really got to fully realize and understand, and that not everything in FFVII was all Cloud, Cloud, Cloud and Sephiroth being the villian. There was so much more behind everything, that even alot of diehard FFVII fans I know didn't even take note of.
The movie filled in the the last "30 blank pages of the story". It showed us basically what everything resulted in. What happened after meteor's fall, what kind of state were the people in, was Shinra still recognizable, did people even live in Midgar, what happened to Cloud, and did Sephiroth really finally die? All that and more was answered. But there was still another '30 blank pages'.
The rest of these blank pages are NOT filled by Dirge of Cerberus. Infact, Dirge of Cerberus only introduces us to the next 30 blank pages. I firmly believe Square will either do a full FFVII sequel game, another movie, or a remake and include an after-game part. Why? Because, as Crisis Core fully details - Genesis is NOT dead. Dirge of Cerberus takes this and shows that even after Vincent's little event, he is still alive. So, in essence, another Sephiroth is roaming around.

Square will most probably go and do another FFVII project. They are not telling fans this is it, leave it be. They'd be absolutely clinically insane. There is a gold mine of money still yet to be untouched aside from the incomplete story of FFVII. Square knows it and they will take advantage of it. Square, or any video game dev for that matter, is not rich enough to pass on a possible multi million dollar opportunity for say a remake. And Square has a legitimate reason to tap into this opportunity, unlike other devs that will go and milk their video game series just for the money, they have those 30 blank pages.
Senger's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2009 17:18
Senger
When they do a FF7 Remake for the ps3, I will move on
Enough Said
lovemana23's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/29/2009 19:54
lovemana23
Hmmmm, seems that you may be projecting a rather wispy idea onto this, because I hardly doubt that this so called creative message has been woven into the Advent Children story, simply because the story did already exist pretty much in its entirety in the original version, just poorly translated within the films original narrative and duration. And there were rather gaping plot-holes, and non-sensical transitions between scenes and character interactions. However, pretty much everything you outlined as the story could be gleamed from the original AC with repeated viewings, and a little common sense. That it all amounts to a secret, hidden metaphor, woven into the narrative by the creative team, for the company to move on, sounds like nothing more than a projection of your outlook on this particular franchise. And, as such, is just a theory, and a fairly wispy one at that. So Uematsu thinks square should move on? Very doubtful that would affect the directors decisions regarding the plot, which, as i already said, as far as infrastructure, already existed fully in the original version. I havent seen it though, of course, so you could be right.

I`d also like to mention that ive met many fans of Advent Children who know little, and have not even played, the original FF7 on Playstation, and were simply drawn to Advent Children by its lavish aesthetic and seriously, seriously gorgeous, stunningly woven fight scenes. And since, these friends have gone on and discovered the rich and deep mythology of this particular FF outing, via returning to the original game. So, this will just do the same, bringing more new fans into the fold, while clarifying the original Advent Childrens plot for fans of the original.

And for anyone who hasnt seen advent children....the fight scenes are just some of the best ever 'committed to film', period. Watch them in slow-mo to realise this. Although watch again at normal pace and revel in Uematsu`s utterly stonking soundtracking of said high-awesomeness soaked fight scenes. They are fucking amazing.

I love it, and will love it further now it actually makes sense. And in HD, yay! :)
Chrissd21's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/30/2009 14:31
Chrissd21
I discovered FF with Crisis Core on the PSP. And got the sweet limited edition psp while I was at it. Quite like it too. Squeenix is allowed to make any game like Crisis Core. It's fun, good for short or long plays and has enough in it to keep me entertained. And I'm one of those people who've spent so much time playing games, that coupled with my awesome intelligence, most games are stupidly easy and boring. Also, FF is awesome. More is never a bad thing. :P
prev next 50 comments

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!