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Agreed, except I didn't play MGS1 on PS1, I played it as the better GCN remake (and this sequence transferred perfectly), and whenever I look at PS1 shots of MGS1 I get really put off by the fact that the characters aren't represented too well, but Kojima did his best with what he had, and he usually always does.
Definitly one of the coolest video game moments of my life. One of the only times I was actually creeped out by a game. Innovative indeed.
Saying Psycho Mantis' ability to break the fourth wall is creepy is an understatement.
When he said "So, you like Castlevania?", I shat bricks.
When he said "So, you like Castlevania?", I shat bricks.
I have to say that my attempt with this boss was a freaky one. I was playing on a stormy night and there was a flash of lightning when my PS1 suddenly went black and said "Vid 1" in the top right corner. I thought the PS1 had fry'd or something. I freaked the fuck out. Then suddenly I was brought back into the battle against Psycho Mantis.
Great shit.
Great shit.
It kind of reminds me of Eternal Darkness, when your sanity meter (if I remember correctly) freaks out and says that your controller is unplugged, even when it's not.
That was definitely the most amazing thing I had seen in a game. I didn't have Castlevania, but I think he talked to me about the Suikoden save file I had. I gotta put this on my PSP and replay through it.
Miller's "surprise" is a pretty good "What the Hell?" moment as well.
But man, if Hideo Kojima and Grant Morrison ever team up, it'll be the end of the fourth wall as we know it.
But man, if Hideo Kojima and Grant Morrison ever team up, it'll be the end of the fourth wall as we know it.
I love MGS. Always.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLeNTM9SG4
That there is the Twin Snakes version. I have both. But twin snakes was even more of a cinematic thrill with the better graphics and voicing. I really enjoyed the entire game on a higher level then the ps1 version.
Not to mention that in the office, there are tiny mario and yoshi statues on the desk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLeNTM9SG4
That there is the Twin Snakes version. I have both. But twin snakes was even more of a cinematic thrill with the better graphics and voicing. I really enjoyed the entire game on a higher level then the ps1 version.
Not to mention that in the office, there are tiny mario and yoshi statues on the desk.
Oh, and the mantis part, reads your gamecube memory card to see if you have played recognized games (like smash bros) and does a count of save files to determine your reckless rank.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Great moment. A while back I was trying to find a list of other Konami saves he commented on, had no luck.
@Orcist: At one point during Eternal Darkness the game shows a sequence where all your save files are deleted... scared the holy fuck out of me
Eternal Darkness was a great experience as a game, and definitely took this idea a few steps further. If you havent played it, get bargin bin copy and throw it on your wii or gc. Some of the best "scares" in any game, those insanity effects!
Well, it was innovative, I'll give it that--Kojima and Pals certainly have my respect for trying something different.
That said, as a matter of personal taste, I tend to greatly dislike when a game breaks (or attempts to break) the Fourth Wall. You have this involved story, and suddenly, the Colonel is saying, "Oh, and Snake: Be sure to hit the X button to do whatever and whatnot." It's like characters from Saving Private Ryan turn to the camera in middle of a battle scene to remind us that Twizzlers are sold in the lobby. It's fucking retarded.
If you're gonna give tutorial advice, have it pop up in someway that separates it from the plotline.*All* fictional stories hinge absolutely on the suspension of disbelief. Break that, and no matter *how* clever it seemed at the time, you will fuck up the atmosphere every damn time.
Maybe this seems silly, but when Psycho Mantis asked me to put the controller down, I got pissed, of all things. I remember thinking, "What fucking controller?! There's just Snake there! *I* don't exist to you, Scripted Program! There is *no* X button! No Square, or Circle! There are no joysticks! Are you a bullshit software gimmick, or a goddamn character in a story?!"
That said, as a matter of personal taste, I tend to greatly dislike when a game breaks (or attempts to break) the Fourth Wall. You have this involved story, and suddenly, the Colonel is saying, "Oh, and Snake: Be sure to hit the X button to do whatever and whatnot." It's like characters from Saving Private Ryan turn to the camera in middle of a battle scene to remind us that Twizzlers are sold in the lobby. It's fucking retarded.
If you're gonna give tutorial advice, have it pop up in someway that separates it from the plotline.*All* fictional stories hinge absolutely on the suspension of disbelief. Break that, and no matter *how* clever it seemed at the time, you will fuck up the atmosphere every damn time.
Maybe this seems silly, but when Psycho Mantis asked me to put the controller down, I got pissed, of all things. I remember thinking, "What fucking controller?! There's just Snake there! *I* don't exist to you, Scripted Program! There is *no* X button! No Square, or Circle! There are no joysticks! Are you a bullshit software gimmick, or a goddamn character in a story?!"
Didn't the game also tell you to look at the back of the game case to find the codec number for Mei Ling? Maybe it was someone else.
I don't know if anyone played the Konami game Azure Dreams, (kind of harvest moon style rpg) but its one of the games that psycho mantis read off my memory card years ago.
I feel like I missed out. I didn't know anything about the 2nd controller port or anything, so after being freaked out like the rest of you, I tried everything: even just punching the guy in the face when I couldn't hit him with a single shot. I beat Psycho Mantis with the Controller in port 1 by punching him. I remember it was NOT easy.
Atomu, I remember Azure Dreams, but I barely played it.
Atomu, I remember Azure Dreams, but I barely played it.
Unfortunately for me I didn't get into MGS until about a year after it's release. By then I had already known about this. So the moment was stolen from me. nonetheless, I still recognize Kojimas genius.
@Kyle: ROFL
@Kyle: ROFL
Metal Gear Solid as a series is overrated. This game, however, was just the opposite. This was one of my favorite games of all time and this moment was one of the reasons. And btw, didn't that horror game on the Gamecube(insanity something blah blah) make it seem like your connection from the console to the TV was messing up? Thats about the only other game I can think of that did something so out of the box, though I never personally played it.
I never played Castlevania but thats pretty awesome, just like the rest of this scene. Haven't seen it in years, glad you put it up and did this.
Do more of these.
Do more of these.
Metal Gear Solid was definitely innovative and enjoyable to play. Psycho Mantis was a cool boss and the scenes with him were very unique. I hope that gaming will have more memorable moments like this.
@PikkonX: Almost, you had to look at the back of the CD to find the Codec for Meril.
Too bad if you only had a copy of the game...
Too bad if you only had a copy of the game...
you sir just prompted me to go replay MGS1 in its entirety
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Some things you forgot to explain, that add to this fourth wall breaking were:
When he says "Let me read your mind" and then comments on what kind of a warrior you are, how many traps you've set, if you've saved often - all those are actual readings and change according to how many times you've fucked up playing and gone into ALERT mode, how many times you've saved, and how many continues you've used.
Also, another cool breaking of the fourth wall was in the detention cell, after you as a player have been pressing the damn circle button to endure the torture (which is fairly torturous on Extreme) Naomi will offer to increase your meds, and tells you to "Put your controller up against your arm - don't worry, it'll feel good". When you put the DualShock controller correctly on your button mashing wrist that's probably sore from the experience, the vibration function will engage and will actually massage your wrist, in fact, making it feel better.
It's one of the best games ever really. Anyone who pisses and moans about it either didn't have a PS1 or they were too stupid to figure out how to play it proper.
When he says "Let me read your mind" and then comments on what kind of a warrior you are, how many traps you've set, if you've saved often - all those are actual readings and change according to how many times you've fucked up playing and gone into ALERT mode, how many times you've saved, and how many continues you've used.
Also, another cool breaking of the fourth wall was in the detention cell, after you as a player have been pressing the damn circle button to endure the torture (which is fairly torturous on Extreme) Naomi will offer to increase your meds, and tells you to "Put your controller up against your arm - don't worry, it'll feel good". When you put the DualShock controller correctly on your button mashing wrist that's probably sore from the experience, the vibration function will engage and will actually massage your wrist, in fact, making it feel better.
It's one of the best games ever really. Anyone who pisses and moans about it either didn't have a PS1 or they were too stupid to figure out how to play it proper.
Great job, Chad. Psycho Mantis freaked us all out. I remember being incredibly frustrated over my encounter with the lad. I was about to give up, when someone told me how to finally do him in.
This story makes me want to dust off my old copy of MGS, and play through it again.
This story makes me want to dust off my old copy of MGS, and play through it again.
My MGS experience wasn't really all that much of a virgin experience as it could've been. A friend of mine had the game, so I'd already seen some of the latter portions. Still a great game, though.
I do remember that the Official Playstation Magazine in Europe did something utterly bastardly. They did a picture series with all the best moments from the game on a double-page spread. They warned the reader beforehand that it would spoil the game for them, but... I still wonder how many got the entire freakin' game spoiled to them by that one.
I do remember that the Official Playstation Magazine in Europe did something utterly bastardly. They did a picture series with all the best moments from the game on a double-page spread. They warned the reader beforehand that it would spoil the game for them, but... I still wonder how many got the entire freakin' game spoiled to them by that one.
@Skylance
"It's like characters from Saving Private Ryan turn to the camera in middle of a battle scene to remind us that Twizzlers are sold in the lobby. It's fucking retarded."
haha dont give advertisers any ideas man. i can see that being the new thing, it probably already is.
Anyhow, great column, it really was one of the... most inspiring moments. I dont even know how to describe it, but i remember when it happened i was just awestruck by how freaking cool it was. Although, I didnt have any saves from other konami games, so i didnt know about that til just now, but psycho mantis was definitely one of the coolest bosses ever, maybe THE coolest. Did anyone get those sick action figures that came out, I wanna get him.
"It's like characters from Saving Private Ryan turn to the camera in middle of a battle scene to remind us that Twizzlers are sold in the lobby. It's fucking retarded."
haha dont give advertisers any ideas man. i can see that being the new thing, it probably already is.
Anyhow, great column, it really was one of the... most inspiring moments. I dont even know how to describe it, but i remember when it happened i was just awestruck by how freaking cool it was. Although, I didnt have any saves from other konami games, so i didnt know about that til just now, but psycho mantis was definitely one of the coolest bosses ever, maybe THE coolest. Did anyone get those sick action figures that came out, I wanna get him.
Also, the voice acting on psycho mantis (the ps1 versions) is so awesome, i hope that guy talks like that in real life, all the time.
Nice work. I love Metal Gear Solid and Psycho Mantis ranks as one of my favourite videogame characters of all time. Not just for his awesome innovation, but his whole look, character and backstory make him a truly excellent videogame villain.
There's a whole subplot with him involving how he dove into the mind of a serial killer and came out with the killer's traits, causing him to become the psychopath we now know. Didn't seem to make the game, but it's a seriously cool idea.
There's a whole subplot with him involving how he dove into the mind of a serial killer and came out with the killer's traits, causing him to become the psychopath we now know. Didn't seem to make the game, but it's a seriously cool idea.
I remember in the Gamecube version you had to swap between all four ports a few times during the battle because he became able to read your moves again. The first time i played it on the PSX it was awesome and then they just added that extra little thing in the GC version. Just gives you a little smirk.
(...) once the battle begins you realize that there is no way to beat Mantis.
HA! I've beaten Psycho Mantis with all rations and ammunition I could collect. Man, those were the times, I barely made it with maybe 10% left in my energy bar.
After I finished the game I read about the #2 controller port trick and used it the second time through the game, which made the whole boss fight easy.
HA! I've beaten Psycho Mantis with all rations and ammunition I could collect. Man, those were the times, I barely made it with maybe 10% left in my energy bar.
After I finished the game I read about the #2 controller port trick and used it the second time through the game, which made the whole boss fight easy.
Psycho Mantis...
You know, I almost peed my pants when I realized I used up all my ammo, rations, and almost killed Meryl in the process. And that Mantis was literally messing with my cranium.
And then the Colonel called: "Snake, put the controller in controller port #2! NOW!"
And so I did.
Man, did I feel weird. Used, even.
You know, I almost peed my pants when I realized I used up all my ammo, rations, and almost killed Meryl in the process. And that Mantis was literally messing with my cranium.
And then the Colonel called: "Snake, put the controller in controller port #2! NOW!"
And so I did.
Man, did I feel weird. Used, even.
This boss fight is the main reason Metal Gear Solid is my favourite game of all time.
It was the first time I'd glimpsed the true potential of video games as a meium...you can't do that shit in any other medium.
That's why I really don't want a movie made...
It was the first time I'd glimpsed the true potential of video games as a meium...you can't do that shit in any other medium.
That's why I really don't want a movie made...
I beat psycho mantis with my controller in port 1. It took a while but I did it eventually lol. Only after beating him did I learn about the second port thing
i beated psycho mantis with my controller in port 1 as well. using famas and all of my rations. i've always laughed at the fact i nwhen i beat him, he yells "why can't i read your mind" when he keep saying he can
Screw the butthurt kids who got killed in the first 2 minutes on this game.
Psycho Mantis was the best boss fight in gaming history. If you've played the actual game to that point (Legit as in PS1) Have a hardwood table and play a few konami games, this is even more incredible. Critics: Go play Metal Gear Solid and see why every sane person calls this a masterpiece.
Psycho Mantis was the best boss fight in gaming history. If you've played the actual game to that point (Legit as in PS1) Have a hardwood table and play a few konami games, this is even more incredible. Critics: Go play Metal Gear Solid and see why every sane person calls this a masterpiece.
Screw the butthurt kids who got killed in the first 2 minutes on this game.
Psycho Mantis was the best boss fight in gaming history. If you've played the actual game to that point (Legit as in PS1) Have a hardwood table and play a few konami games, this is even more incredible. Critics: Go play Metal Gear Solid and see why every sane person calls this a masterpiece.
Psycho Mantis was the best boss fight in gaming history. If you've played the actual game to that point (Legit as in PS1) Have a hardwood table and play a few konami games, this is even more incredible. Critics: Go play Metal Gear Solid and see why every sane person calls this a masterpiece.
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