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lol "shake controls" is my new favorite phrase. Sounds like a system aimed at people with Parkinson's Disease.
There has been too much of a steady stream of information being released to Western audiences about this game. I am extremely confident we'll get a NA release.
Actually, I can't play No More Heroes 2 without the motion controls.
Motion driven QTEs at least feel a bit more involving than tapping a button. Feels good to set up a suplex or lop off someone's head with that setup. Very cathartic.
I don't see why The Last Story would even bother with motion controls or why that would be great news since its an RPG. RPGs don't really lend well to motion control in the first place.
But whatever makes people who spaz about motion controls happy, I guess.
Motion driven QTEs at least feel a bit more involving than tapping a button. Feels good to set up a suplex or lop off someone's head with that setup. Very cathartic.
I don't see why The Last Story would even bother with motion controls or why that would be great news since its an RPG. RPGs don't really lend well to motion control in the first place.
But whatever makes people who spaz about motion controls happy, I guess.
Whenever I see the pic with the girl's nearly bare back, I'm reminded how fugging cold it is here and if there's Winter in the game.
@GoodGuyA
If i look at her bare back I'm thinking of something entirely different. I'm not going to to elaborate on that here though, it's not safe for the ears of the kiddies, this a newspost about a Wii game after all...
If i look at her bare back I'm thinking of something entirely different. I'm not going to to elaborate on that here though, it's not safe for the ears of the kiddies, this a newspost about a Wii game after all...
Well, I guess since Nintendo's working on it, I guess that means we're going to get an international release, right? Nintendo would NEVER refuse to localize one of their games, because if they did, that would be the mother of all bad decisions.
It's just a shame that 'equality' can apparently only be achieved through uniformity, rather than developers putting the time in to use motion controls well, just as it took time to find the best way of using analogue sticks and every other method of game control.
Well, I'm convinced. I'm breaking down and buying a Wii finally. The motion controls were the one thing keeping me from purchasing that thing but it seems my pre-conceived notions were different from the actual reality. Thanks for the update.
@RchardNixon The Wii gets the Marina Liteyears official seal of approval http://www.spriters-resource.com/other_systems/mischiefmakers/marina_icon.png
Something else that The Last Story does not have: a US release date.
Let the self-loathing/flagellation party begin.
Let the self-loathing/flagellation party begin.
Game looks good, it's too bad I'll never get a chance to play it unless it goes Multiplat.
Honestly every game should be multiplatform, it's like if you needed 3 different Blu-ray players in your home to play disks from different vendors...
Honestly every game should be multiplatform, it's like if you needed 3 different Blu-ray players in your home to play disks from different vendors...
I don't mind motion controls, especially when it's a quick flick or just pointing. I just dislike things where you need to move in specific ways or, essentially, jack off. That's not fun.
@ jProtege- Niero and I have been saying that for years. Actually, the analogy I usually use is "it's like needing 3 different toasters; one for white bread, one for wheat bread, and one for bagels".
Don't underestimate the little guy the Wii is the Little console that could. I think I can I Think I can I think I can :) {And with Nintendo's help it can}
So this is coming overseas right? Right? And while I am something of a fan of the waggle this is fine too. On an unrelated note, Holmes thank you for indirectly recommending little king's story on the show some weeks ago I've been meaning to show my Wii some more love and that game was an excellent game to do so with B)
Wouldn't make a difference to me anyway, but I'll be happy to hear less people bitching about motion controls "cuz I dun wanna move herpa durrrrrr". Oh yeah, I don't wanna hear anymore info on this unless it's an American release date. I can't get my hopes up any further.
no shake controls...this is why nintendo isn't publishing it. If it's a nintendo published title it needs at least one shaky thingy in it.
@Holmes:
Why does it make sense to put a game on a system where motion controls are its biggest advantage only to ignore that very advantage? (re: putting games like Monster Hunter on Wii)
Why does it make sense to put a game on a system where motion controls are its biggest advantage only to ignore that very advantage? (re: putting games like Monster Hunter on Wii)
@ amtalx- I actually don't think that motion controls are the Wii's biggest advantage, especially now that Kinect and PS Move are out. When the Wii was first released, it's safe to say that motion controls were the Wii's biggest selling point to non-gamers, but that's not even true anymore. Now it's about the games; games like Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Epic Mickey (despite it's mediocrity) and many other +1 million seller that have minimal use of motion controls.
To me, the Wii's biggest advantage is its low development costs. If the Wii wasn't so cheap to develop for, there's no way we'd have The Last Story, or any of the games I mentioned earlier in this post (other than Smash Bros.). They'd all be "too niche" to risk a PS3/360 game's budget on, but too expensive to develop for XBLA/PSN.
The Wii's second biggest advantage is its huge install base. There are about twice as many Wii's out there are PS3s or 360s, and it costs a fourth or a fifth to develop for the thing. That means that sdds are on the Wii if you're hoping to at least make your money back on a new game.
It's a similar thing with the DS. The touch screen may be the feature that got a lot of people to buy one in the first place, but the reason 3rd parties support the DS is because 1) everyone has one, and 1) it's cheaper to develop for than the PSP.
So yeah, the Wii's motion controls were once a major selling point, and I'm sure they're still important to the non-gamer crowd, but from where I stand, they were never much of an "advantage" for traditional game developers or self-identified gamers.
To me, the Wii's biggest advantage is its low development costs. If the Wii wasn't so cheap to develop for, there's no way we'd have The Last Story, or any of the games I mentioned earlier in this post (other than Smash Bros.). They'd all be "too niche" to risk a PS3/360 game's budget on, but too expensive to develop for XBLA/PSN.
The Wii's second biggest advantage is its huge install base. There are about twice as many Wii's out there are PS3s or 360s, and it costs a fourth or a fifth to develop for the thing. That means that sdds are on the Wii if you're hoping to at least make your money back on a new game.
It's a similar thing with the DS. The touch screen may be the feature that got a lot of people to buy one in the first place, but the reason 3rd parties support the DS is because 1) everyone has one, and 1) it's cheaper to develop for than the PSP.
So yeah, the Wii's motion controls were once a major selling point, and I'm sure they're still important to the non-gamer crowd, but from where I stand, they were never much of an "advantage" for traditional game developers or self-identified gamers.
@Holmes:
From a fiscal standpoint, it certainly makes sense to put experimental games with smaller budgets on Wii. However I was looking at the capabilities of the system more from a raw design standpoint, rather than a businesses perspective. Ultimately, I think you may be right. While its very romantic to think that games should always fit their platform regardless of cost, it's not realistic.
To play devil's advocate, wouldn't a platform like PSN or XBLA be a more appropriate for low budget games than the Wii? The strength of those platforms is to push games with off-color/risky experiences. Although, I'll freely admit that a game with the scope of TLS would be a tough proposition as a downloadable title, particularly regarding pricing.
From a fiscal standpoint, it certainly makes sense to put experimental games with smaller budgets on Wii. However I was looking at the capabilities of the system more from a raw design standpoint, rather than a businesses perspective. Ultimately, I think you may be right. While its very romantic to think that games should always fit their platform regardless of cost, it's not realistic.
To play devil's advocate, wouldn't a platform like PSN or XBLA be a more appropriate for low budget games than the Wii? The strength of those platforms is to push games with off-color/risky experiences. Although, I'll freely admit that a game with the scope of TLS would be a tough proposition as a downloadable title, particularly regarding pricing.
@ amtalx- I think we're getting there with XBLA/PSN, but like you said, for games like The Last Story, I think we've got a ways to go before those services can bring the profit needed to warrant +$10 million dollar budgets. Only the few of the most successful XBLA games ever sold a million copies, and even then they were only going for $15 tops. Compare that to selling your game for $50 to an potential audience of 70 million Wii owners, and it's safe to say how publishers are going to bet.
You could make an argument for The Last Story being a better fit for the PSP, at least in Japan, but given how Japanese gamers seem less and less likely to give new IP a try, I'm not even sure about that. It seems like Japanese gamers will only give new IP a try if the game plays like exactly like something they're extremely familiar with (like God Eater plays like Monster Hunter) but even that can be a real tough sell. And in the US and Europe, the PSP is pretty much a non-entity at this point, so don't count on any sales outside of Japan.
So yeah, that's more or less why I think Mistwalker knows what they're doing by putting The Last Story on the Wii. Hopefully in the future, games of this nature will have more of a home on XBLA/PSN as well. It sucks that so many people are going to miss out promising games The Last Story, and a lot of great, SD-budget games, just because they don't want to buy a Wii.
You could make an argument for The Last Story being a better fit for the PSP, at least in Japan, but given how Japanese gamers seem less and less likely to give new IP a try, I'm not even sure about that. It seems like Japanese gamers will only give new IP a try if the game plays like exactly like something they're extremely familiar with (like God Eater plays like Monster Hunter) but even that can be a real tough sell. And in the US and Europe, the PSP is pretty much a non-entity at this point, so don't count on any sales outside of Japan.
So yeah, that's more or less why I think Mistwalker knows what they're doing by putting The Last Story on the Wii. Hopefully in the future, games of this nature will have more of a home on XBLA/PSN as well. It sucks that so many people are going to miss out promising games The Last Story, and a lot of great, SD-budget games, just because they don't want to buy a Wii.
these jaded gamers jonathan speaks of can go jump in a sewer. real gamers only care about if a game is good and fun or not, no matter if it's on the ngage, the 360, or the wii.
I intended to asks something about fries coming with that shake, but the shake is in fact not included...
i don't think motion controls would work on a RPG like this but if your gonna implement this. at least games like No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Madworld, RE Lightguns, RE4 and so.
But think of the mini-game potential of motion controls in fantasy RPGs!
Belly dancing,playing maraccas/jingle bells,tempting beggars into doing one's bidding with a cluched fist full of what could be gold coins or other bits of metal (even ammunition),shaking spears at people,shaking people down for loot (literally!),knocking down temple pillars with one's bare hands,disciplining unruly pets/children for NPCs,agitating hornets/bees in nests before tossing it at enemy mobs,preparing volatile contents under pressure to detonate,sprinkling pixie dust hither and yon and making medieval milkshakes...and that's just for starters! Some people have no sense of imagination.
As long as The Last Story has pointer controls (and a Western Release),it won't be a total loss.
Belly dancing,playing maraccas/jingle bells,tempting beggars into doing one's bidding with a cluched fist full of what could be gold coins or other bits of metal (even ammunition),shaking spears at people,shaking people down for loot (literally!),knocking down temple pillars with one's bare hands,disciplining unruly pets/children for NPCs,agitating hornets/bees in nests before tossing it at enemy mobs,preparing volatile contents under pressure to detonate,sprinkling pixie dust hither and yon and making medieval milkshakes...and that's just for starters! Some people have no sense of imagination.
As long as The Last Story has pointer controls (and a Western Release),it won't be a total loss.
I just want to see how ppl will take the new Zelda. Its nothing but motion controls and pointer. maybe rpgs will have 1 to 1 sword swinging for once like i always wanted.
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