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@ Jinx 01:
I appreciate how you explain your reasons for disagreeing with transgender people, but admit that it might because you simply don't "get" it, and thus agree that transgender should be allowed to do what they want regardless of your opinion. No really, I wish more people would approach the subject in such a way.
You say that transsexuals probably go through sex-changes because they don't feel comfortable in who they psychically are; I get the impression that you might be saying that with the "born a woman always a woman" mentality, and in that sense you are incorrect; in my above comment I explain how transsexual women indeed count as biological women. (If someone has all, or most, of the physical traits that define a woman, than there's really no rational argument for why she wouldn't count as a biological woman--regardless if you think she is a "true" woman. X = X.)
The reason transsexuals go through a sex change is because they don't feel comfortable being in the body of their birth sex.
Then you're other point is that transsexuals simply don't feel comfortable conforming to the "gender bullshit" surrounding masculinity and femininity. That's true to a certain extent, but you're assuming that someone can get rid of their gender dysphoria by merely acting more feminine/masculine. This assumption falls apart once you realize that for a lot of transsexuals, acting or dressing differently simply isn't enough, and barely gets rid of any of their dysphoria. There's also plenty of trans women who act butch, and trans men who act effeminate.
Your FTM friend most likely acted overtly macho as a way to compensate for his lack of an actual male body, conforming to the stereotypes of the men in an act of desperation.
I appreciate how you explain your reasons for disagreeing with transgender people, but admit that it might because you simply don't "get" it, and thus agree that transgender should be allowed to do what they want regardless of your opinion. No really, I wish more people would approach the subject in such a way.
You say that transsexuals probably go through sex-changes because they don't feel comfortable in who they psychically are; I get the impression that you might be saying that with the "born a woman always a woman" mentality, and in that sense you are incorrect; in my above comment I explain how transsexual women indeed count as biological women. (If someone has all, or most, of the physical traits that define a woman, than there's really no rational argument for why she wouldn't count as a biological woman--regardless if you think she is a "true" woman. X = X.)
The reason transsexuals go through a sex change is because they don't feel comfortable being in the body of their birth sex.
Then you're other point is that transsexuals simply don't feel comfortable conforming to the "gender bullshit" surrounding masculinity and femininity. That's true to a certain extent, but you're assuming that someone can get rid of their gender dysphoria by merely acting more feminine/masculine. This assumption falls apart once you realize that for a lot of transsexuals, acting or dressing differently simply isn't enough, and barely gets rid of any of their dysphoria. There's also plenty of trans women who act butch, and trans men who act effeminate.
Your FTM friend most likely acted overtly macho as a way to compensate for his lack of an actual male body, conforming to the stereotypes of the men in an act of desperation.
@ Sir Legendhead: People (including myself) are just double-clicking by accident, which causes the comment to post itself twice. Destructoid really needs to fix that, or at least allow us to delete our comments.
(If someone has all, or most, of the physical traits that define a woman, than there's really no rational argument for why she wouldn't count as a biological woman--regardless if you think she is a "true" woman. X = X.)
Rational argument in 3...2...1...
DNA. I've never seen it but I know that we're all like born with it or something.
Just because someone feels, believes or wishes they were born a bird doesn't give em wings. Even if they had a surgery or took wing-grow pills doesn't mean they'll fly. Biology.
Think about it.
Like I said before people should live their lives however they see fit, as long as they're not harming others.
Rational argument in 3...2...1...
DNA. I've never seen it but I know that we're all like born with it or something.
Just because someone feels, believes or wishes they were born a bird doesn't give em wings. Even if they had a surgery or took wing-grow pills doesn't mean they'll fly. Biology.
Think about it.
Like I said before people should live their lives however they see fit, as long as they're not harming others.
@ Sorrows Neptune
It's more than the usual double click. This is the second time within a week that I've seen two identical comments posted hours apart from one another. Kind of makes it hard(er) to take the conversation seriously.
It's more than the usual double click. This is the second time within a week that I've seen two identical comments posted hours apart from one another. Kind of makes it hard(er) to take the conversation seriously.
@Volks
DNA is hardly a rational argument for making people live with what they were born with.
Say your child had been born with, say, Tourette's or was mentally challenged, and there existed some procedure that would...maybe not necessarily cure it, but have a dramatic enough effect that they could feasibly live their lives the same as anybody born with standard genes. Do you mean to tell me you would not try your best to see that they had that procedure done to them? Or, from a different angle: say somebody you were acquainted with...not necessarily a close friend, just someone you have dealings with maybe at work - in the past, been a recipient of this procedure. Would you hold it against him/her, treat them as though they still suffered the same issues they did in the past?
Not making comparisons or anything, just food for thought.
DNA is hardly a rational argument for making people live with what they were born with.
Say your child had been born with, say, Tourette's or was mentally challenged, and there existed some procedure that would...maybe not necessarily cure it, but have a dramatic enough effect that they could feasibly live their lives the same as anybody born with standard genes. Do you mean to tell me you would not try your best to see that they had that procedure done to them? Or, from a different angle: say somebody you were acquainted with...not necessarily a close friend, just someone you have dealings with maybe at work - in the past, been a recipient of this procedure. Would you hold it against him/her, treat them as though they still suffered the same issues they did in the past?
Not making comparisons or anything, just food for thought.
@ Nightsama
Absolutely. But unless it 100% cured whatever the infliction (for lack of a better word) then the child would still have that to live with.
An easy way to understand my point is this... A friend has a Porsche speedster replica. This thing is pretty sick. Better suspension, over twice the horsepower and all the look of a Porsche. But at the end of the day it's still just a replica and not the real deal.
Again I have nothing against transgender folk. I'm just saying just because something looks or acts the part doesn't mean it is.
P.S. fuck you refresh>error>refresh>error>refresh>double post.
Absolutely. But unless it 100% cured whatever the infliction (for lack of a better word) then the child would still have that to live with.
An easy way to understand my point is this... A friend has a Porsche speedster replica. This thing is pretty sick. Better suspension, over twice the horsepower and all the look of a Porsche. But at the end of the day it's still just a replica and not the real deal.
Again I have nothing against transgender folk. I'm just saying just because something looks or acts the part doesn't mean it is.
P.S. fuck you refresh>error>refresh>error>refresh>double post.
I guess we're just on two different wavelengths then, cause if you think I'm going to let something like a pedigree mar my experience with a car like that then you're sorely mistaken. Once you start using an inanimate object for an example tho it become a bit tricky, because in that case who cares if you simply refer to the thing as a replica, it's a car that has no feelings.
How about a simpler one - a friend gets a name change. They have their own reasons for doing so; maybe it was the name of a person their parents liked but they grew up to despise, whatever. In their eyes its a good reason. Calling them by their original name might be easier since that's what you're used to, but it would be disrespectful, don't you think? At the end, it's really just about respecting the person's wishes to present themselves as they are most comfortable. Sure there's no law against just calling them what you're used to, but hey - there's no law against a lot of things that would be just blatantly disrespectful and people manage to not do those things either.
But sure, this is the internet blah blah blah nothing matters. Well then don't be surprised when people have a negative reaction to that mindset. Not to mention it's pretty rude to tell someone to lighten up over some internet comments when they already need to deal with much worse than that in day to day life...hmm well that part is not so much at you than at other comments I read so far but whatever I should wrap this up anyway, starting to look up examples of abuse and it's getting me agitated now.
How about a simpler one - a friend gets a name change. They have their own reasons for doing so; maybe it was the name of a person their parents liked but they grew up to despise, whatever. In their eyes its a good reason. Calling them by their original name might be easier since that's what you're used to, but it would be disrespectful, don't you think? At the end, it's really just about respecting the person's wishes to present themselves as they are most comfortable. Sure there's no law against just calling them what you're used to, but hey - there's no law against a lot of things that would be just blatantly disrespectful and people manage to not do those things either.
But sure, this is the internet blah blah blah nothing matters. Well then don't be surprised when people have a negative reaction to that mindset. Not to mention it's pretty rude to tell someone to lighten up over some internet comments when they already need to deal with much worse than that in day to day life...hmm well that part is not so much at you than at other comments I read so far but whatever I should wrap this up anyway, starting to look up examples of abuse and it's getting me agitated now.
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