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I'd still have a sweet tender sword fight with Poison. Chun Li's ape paws though.... ugh. Funny I dont mind a ding a ling, but I draw the line at those huge dick beaters.
I'm suspicious about Poison too. Has Capcom ever really cleared up what gender Poison is, or did they just go the Nintendo route and refer to Poison as "it"?
Regardless, pre-order bonuses like this always leave me conflicted: one hand, it doesn't real seem worth the extra money for something that cost like five cents to make. On the other hand, it looks so awesome!
Regardless, pre-order bonuses like this always leave me conflicted: one hand, it doesn't real seem worth the extra money for something that cost like five cents to make. On the other hand, it looks so awesome!
I'd buy it just for that, but I doubt they'd ship it overseas.
I also can't read any of the website.
I also have no money.
I also can't read any of the website.
I also have no money.
@GoofierBrute
Nintendo route? What do you mean, they call Birdo 'she' now so I must be missing something.
And apparently Poison is trans so the term would be 'she' as well, the only issue is whether she's pre- or post-op, that depends on which side of the ocean you're playing on.
Nintendo route? What do you mean, they call Birdo 'she' now so I must be missing something.
And apparently Poison is trans so the term would be 'she' as well, the only issue is whether she's pre- or post-op, that depends on which side of the ocean you're playing on.
I love that one of Poison, Chun Li, Asuka and Xiayou.
And I, for one, don't care what gender Poison is. I'd hit that and you're a liar if you say you wouldn't.
And I, for one, don't care what gender Poison is. I'd hit that and you're a liar if you say you wouldn't.
"Also, not to be biased in any way, but... What the heck is Poison doing in the pic?"
No, not biased... the word you were looking for is "bigoted". Great job at being offensive.
No, not biased... the word you were looking for is "bigoted". Great job at being offensive.
@shidoshi
Why? Not to start any bullcrap, but Poison, being a transsexual, is not a biological woman.
Recognizing that doesn't make anyone a bigot.
Why? Not to start any bullcrap, but Poison, being a transsexual, is not a biological woman.
Recognizing that doesn't make anyone a bigot.
@El Conrado - It would take too long to explain, but perhaps use the internet andsee the process transsexuals undergo to become their target gender and you'll see why such comments are indeed bigoted.
"Biological" and "real" are just weasel words.
"Biological" and "real" are just weasel words.
@El Conrado - The argument over somebody who is transgender, and who has transitioned from male to female, and if they are a "real" female or not is a very complex discussion.
The reference to Poison in this news piece wasn't a valid piece of that discussion—it was a cheap swipe at a character who represents a real segment of human beings, some of whom make up the readership of this very website.
The reference to Poison in this news piece wasn't a valid piece of that discussion—it was a cheap swipe at a character who represents a real segment of human beings, some of whom make up the readership of this very website.
@The Silent Protagonist
I'm really not trying to start a fight, but seriously?
"Biological" is offensive to transsexuals? I'm sorry but that sounds insane.
I'm really not trying to start a fight, but seriously?
"Biological" is offensive to transsexuals? I'm sorry but that sounds insane.
Completely ignoring the fact that Poison was only made a transsexual in the first place, because of bigoted views in the west... Saying she isn't a woman because of the sex she was born to, is very ignorant in itself. I'd hit that, even if she still had a dick... of course, that could be because I'm bisexual.
Well, I declare myself completely ignorant on the subject, and unfit to discuss it.
If any trans-person reads this, please don't take my comments as an attack.
I'm just, honestly, baffled by what is happening in here.
If any trans-person reads this, please don't take my comments as an attack.
I'm just, honestly, baffled by what is happening in here.
@El Conrado - It isn't that "biological" is offensive to people who are trans. What can get offensive is when you start saying "but you know they aren't real men/women, right?!"
People who are trans know who they were, and who they are now. All they want is to be treated with enough respect to refer to them in the way they identify.
People who are trans know who they were, and who they are now. All they want is to be treated with enough respect to refer to them in the way they identify.
@El Tornado: That was a nice final comment.
@Theswweet: I'm not even bi and I would. Actually wait.... That would make me bi, huh? Fuck it. I'm bi!
@Theswweet: I'm not even bi and I would. Actually wait.... That would make me bi, huh? Fuck it. I'm bi!
@El Conrado - Again, it is not my responsibility to educate you. Use the internet - educate yourself.
Citing someone is not a "biologicaL woman" is pretty much the same as saying "you're not a 'real' woman."
Why not call them a fake, a fraud or a phony while you're at it. Just because someone doesn't subscribe to your concept of gender does not make them the gender they feel they are.
Citing someone is not a "biologicaL woman" is pretty much the same as saying "you're not a 'real' woman."
Why not call them a fake, a fraud or a phony while you're at it. Just because someone doesn't subscribe to your concept of gender does not make them the gender they feel they are.
@Theswweet
My understanding is that Poison was made a transgender because Capcom USA didn't want Final Fight to feature violence against women, and Capcom Japan misunderstood.
There was nothing bigoted in that.
My understanding is that Poison was made a transgender because Capcom USA didn't want Final Fight to feature violence against women, and Capcom Japan misunderstood.
There was nothing bigoted in that.
@The Silent Protagonist
This is obviously a very loaded topic for you, so I will refrain from responding.
Still, I feel you have overacted to my replies, are behaving out of tone in this conversion, and that I haven't done anything to warrant snide remarks or disdain.
This is obviously a very loaded topic for you, so I will refrain from responding.
Still, I feel you have overacted to my replies, are behaving out of tone in this conversion, and that I haven't done anything to warrant snide remarks or disdain.
@El Conrado
So, violence against transgenders/sexuals is okay, but woman isn't?
@Philik
Well, if you're attracted to the dick a pre-op poison would have. If you aren't, or are talking about the post-op Poison, then you aren't bi.
So, violence against transgenders/sexuals is okay, but woman isn't?
@Philik
Well, if you're attracted to the dick a pre-op poison would have. If you aren't, or are talking about the post-op Poison, then you aren't bi.
Actually, the story goes like this:
Capcom USA actually tried to rationalize Cody and Guy beating up on a woman because she was a transsexuals.
Nintendo of America was like "... And how does that make it OK?"
And so Poison was removed from the SNES version of Final Fight.
Capcom USA actually tried to rationalize Cody and Guy beating up on a woman because she was a transsexuals.
Nintendo of America was like "... And how does that make it OK?"
And so Poison was removed from the SNES version of Final Fight.
@TSP: He already admitted he didnt know and backed off. I dont think you need to be rude. He admitted his mistake and apologized. I also think you are overreacting
@Theswweet
"So, violence against transgenders/sexuals is okay, but woman isn't?"
...what about violence against men?
And you know that's not what I meant. The story goes that Capcom USA requested the change of Poison to a man because they thought American audiences would think badly about seeing women being beaten. Capcom Japan misunderstood this to thinking they wanted to turn Poison into a transsexual. Keep in mind that Capcom Japan had no problem with Poison being a woman and they thought the request was weird.
No one in this equation is being bigoted, because nether side understood the other and the whole thing was an accident.
"So, violence against transgenders/sexuals is okay, but woman isn't?"
...what about violence against men?
And you know that's not what I meant. The story goes that Capcom USA requested the change of Poison to a man because they thought American audiences would think badly about seeing women being beaten. Capcom Japan misunderstood this to thinking they wanted to turn Poison into a transsexual. Keep in mind that Capcom Japan had no problem with Poison being a woman and they thought the request was weird.
No one in this equation is being bigoted, because nether side understood the other and the whole thing was an accident.
Goddamn it, I love Poison but I hate whenever she shows up in a post here cause it almost always results in drama, whether intentional or not.
And I didn't actually notice at first but that comment about why is Poison even there in the picture? Can't tell if that's just ignorance or what but yeah that's pretty offensive.
And I didn't actually notice at first but that comment about why is Poison even there in the picture? Can't tell if that's just ignorance or what but yeah that's pretty offensive.
@El Conrado
Ah, ok. I'm just... a bit protective of the issue, because some of my best friends are trans. I guess because it's often treated in a bigoted way, that I'm quick to assume.
Ah, ok. I'm just... a bit protective of the issue, because some of my best friends are trans. I guess because it's often treated in a bigoted way, that I'm quick to assume.
@The Silent Protagonist
"Capcom USA actually tried to rationalize Cody and Guy beating up on a woman because she was a transsexuals."
Err... no. That didn't happen.
The removal of Roxy and Poison from the SNES version happened because regardless of them being transsexuals, they looked like women. This happened in Japan long after the Arcade version, where they were already transsexuals, was released in around the world.
"Capcom USA actually tried to rationalize Cody and Guy beating up on a woman because she was a transsexuals."
Err... no. That didn't happen.
The removal of Roxy and Poison from the SNES version happened because regardless of them being transsexuals, they looked like women. This happened in Japan long after the Arcade version, where they were already transsexuals, was released in around the world.
@El Conrado
"This happened in Japan long after the Arcade version..."
Correction: It happened in the US. The Japanese version includes Poison and Roxy, and the manual identifies them as transsexual.
"This happened in Japan long after the Arcade version..."
Correction: It happened in the US. The Japanese version includes Poison and Roxy, and the manual identifies them as transsexual.
"The removal of Roxy and Poison from the SNES version happened because regardless of them being transsexuals, they looked like women. This happened in Japan long after the Arcade version, where they were already transsexuals, was released in around the world."
This is true, in the original artwork for Poison and Roxy there were notes that translated into 'newhalf', which is the japanese term for transgendered.
This is true, in the original artwork for Poison and Roxy there were notes that translated into 'newhalf', which is the japanese term for transgendered.
@El Conrado - Here's a documentary on the topic of Poison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lj-9npanOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lj-9npanOI
I didnt realize what a hot issue poison was and would like to apologize for my sensitive comment. I wasnt thinking about the subject and how it would affect transgender folks due to the crap they already have to put up with. Sorry -Phil
@The Silent Protagonist
Thanks for the video,
although it missed a part from the story.
The rest of it is pretty much spot-on with what I knew, so it's nice to get some confirmation.
Thanks for the video,
although it missed a part from the story.
The rest of it is pretty much spot-on with what I knew, so it's nice to get some confirmation.
I don't care how Capcom wants to troll us about Poison's gender. Men do NOT have hips like that. She's always a woman to me <3
No, Chuck Norris insinuates some level of badassness. You, on the other hand, are more like Cartman with a grossly inflated ego and self-worth that would stomp around and shout until the other side gave up to get away from you.
"Fellas, don't you wish your fighting games could cut back on the testosterone levels every once in a while, and pump up the pretty lady action?"
Nope.
Nope.
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