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So, we reviewed Hydrophobia this past week. You may or may not have heard what happened in the fallout of certain Hydrophobia reviews, and the behavior of the game's developer, Dark Energy Digital. You can read an excellent article on the debacle here. Needless to say, the situation hasn't been pretty.

This week's Jimquisition takes on developers who are doing injury to their industry by acting like brats about review scores, and the recent accusations of reviewers not playing games "properly." It's a pretty emotive rant, so put on your seatbelt and prepare for a bumpy ride.

Also, if you don't like this video, give me your phone number so I can call you up and tell you how to watch it correctly.








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eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:06
eduh
Amen!

loved it Jim
Gaidenrider's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:07
Gaidenrider
66715658. Now, tell me how to watch it correctly please. (Don't call it, it's a fake number)
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:09
jawshoeuh
"Also, if you don't like this video, give me your phone number so I can call you up and tell you how to watch it correctly."

bwahahaha
DimmuJed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:10
DimmuJed
YOU SHOULD WRITE EVERY REVIEW! EVER! YOU ARE THE ONLY REVIEWER I TRUST! Thank you Jim, for always fighting the good fight!
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:11
garethxxgod
SHIT'S ABOUT TO GET REAL.
Chad Almasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:11
Chad Almasy
@_o Seriously? They called to tell you you played it wrong?? lmao, wow. I'd say more, but I'd just be parroting what you've adequately stated.

I seriously cannot wrap my head around it. Logic has been seriously defied here o_o;
Jradd160's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:12
Jradd160
Your the man jim. Just because you put 4 years into a game doesnt mean its going to be epic. Making a game is taking a chance, so sorry it didn't do well but theres always Hydrophobia 2 Oil In The Gulf! License to print money!
JoeCamNet's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:14
JoeCamNet
It's not a problem with how I'm watching the video. You obviously made it wrong. You can't blame me for the faults of the developer. I hate you and all of humanity.
Avidgam3r's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:14
Avidgam3r
Agreed, developers need to accept that their game is what they make it to be.

also I wonder how many "reviewers" get paid to give "10s". (quotations for sarcasm)
Tyson The Tool's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:15
Tyson The Tool
Love the rants Jim. You don't need the 'retard voice' though, you just come off sounding like a childish twat. Just put some added emphasis in your voice and you'll accomplish the same thing in a more respectable way.
Clown Baby's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:16
Clown Baby
Well said. I hadn't heard about that shit prior to this, but that's ridiculous.
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:18
TriplZer0
I get this kind of thing all the time. I'm responsible for submissions at the publishing company where I work. I get authors emailing me after I've rejected their manuscript. They tell me that I didn't "get" their novel. They tell me my opinions (which is what all acceptances or rejections are based on) are wrong. And then they insist that I should give it another chance, or that if I ever "change my mind and come around" they'll be happy to send me it again.

No. You're criticizing my professional opinion, basically calling me stupid, and then asking me to give your manuscript another chance? Ridiculous.

Bravo, Jim. I'm with you 100%.
MystyrE's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:18
MystyrE
in similar news, David Cox of Castlevania said on Twitter he hated the IGN review (7.5) but respected the Gamespot one (7.5). Guess IGN wrote their review wrong?
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:19
Stephen Beirne
To be fair though, it is possible to play a game improperly.

That being said, you're right to rant. It's fucking demented.
NickCull's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:21
NickCull
Hey developers! Maybe you won't have to worry so much about the reviews your games are getting if you didn't price them out of consideration. Simple math. Low Price + Bad Review = Maybe. High Price + Bad Review = Fuck off!
Jack Barwell's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:21
Jack Barwell
I laughed at the Down Syndrome baby analogy. Does that make me a bad person?
lolipantsu's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:22
lolipantsu
Fully agree Jim, especially about the whole anything less than 10/10 is not acceptable. Unfortunately this also applies to just about everything else too. I recently bought a car and before leaving the dealer after signing the paperwork the salesman's manager came over and said: "you're going to get a call from Hyundai in a couple days asking you to rate your experience here, the thing is if you say any number less than 10 out of 10, hes not going to get his sales bonus." Just kinda ridiculous that anything that's not "perfect" is just completely unacceptable now.
sculigoxc2's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:23
sculigoxc2
How unfortunate. I read the article posted, and I have to say, why can't developers (or anybody for that matter) just accept that we all have our own opinion on things? Such horseshit...
DefiantBadger's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:27
DefiantBadger
I wonder if theres a pillow where he throws the mic...

Anyway, that was another great Jimquistion. :D
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:27
Sexualchocolate
I think I'm watching this video wrong.

I got about a minute in and it crashed my flash plugin, reloaded, other videos work fine, but this one won't play?

I think I'm trying to watch it wrong.
GoofierBrute's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:28
GoofierBrute
As a programmer, I know that there are restraints when it comes to games, deadlines, taking out content, etc. And I have experienced all of this while going to school as a programmer, and to an extent I can sympathize with a developer who doesn't get an end product the way they wanted it. But that sympathy goes out the window the minute they bitch and stop their feet because "BAWWWW, you didn't cut us slack and gave us a bad score!" I understand that this is their labor of love, but that doesn't mean it's immune to criticism. They should just stop whining, use this as a learning experience, and move on.
toadthetoad's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:29
toadthetoad
Thank you, Jim.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:29
Spaz
LOL
SlapTenCaptain's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:30
SlapTenCaptain
If there were more people like Jim Sterling the world would be a better place.
cobacel's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:30
cobacel
0765541151 ROMANIA i dont know if it starts with +40 or something but if you call me pls dont be an ass .
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:30
Sæglópur
I really enjoyed this game. However, Scoot was an awful, awful character. And they should've used the MAVI less in Chapter 2. Other than that, though, I really dug navigating the world and the combat. Well worth the $15, IMO. The trial demo was shit, though.
lolipantsu's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:31
lolipantsu
@ MystyrE:

It could be over the tone of the review? I haven't seen the IGN or gamespot reviews but the gametrailers one seemed positive overall and a little nitpicky, I'm usually able to guess the score with a .1 - .2 margin of error before the video ends but I was way off on theirs. Guess it was less positive than I thought.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:32
Spaz
BTW Jim I recently beat Darksiders, (yes I waited for the pc version to come although I have a ps3) and I applaud you for comparing to DMC and not GoW. Besides character personality that game had little to nothing to do with GoW.
mo0man's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:33
mo0man
MystyrE: Numbers aren't everything. Read the reviews and compare the tone
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:33
RenegadePanda
I couldn't even manage to beat the trial of Hydrophobia before I realized it was shit. And that was before all the combat and exploration bits. Simple walking and platforming was pretty broken, not to mention the required hacking mini game with absolutely no tutorial or guide, which I was left to guess at until I figured it out.

The graphics were on par with an Xbox original title, the story was trying way too hard to be interesting and politically oriented, the voices were worse than a localized JRPG title, and the whole water bit just felt forced and really didn't even look that impressive. Blood Wake on the original Xbox showcased an almost exact replica of Hydro's water physics.

I've disagreed with Jim reviews many times, but this one was spot on in every regard. It pains me to see devs turn into whiny little children the minute people don't like their game. When the primary selling point of your game is a water-based physics engine, you know your game is lacking in the most important part, gameplay.
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:33
fulldamage
Wow; is that Ars Technica article accurate? If you guys really had to put up with that, somebody clearly needs to cut off the coke supply to Dark Energy's PR department. That's inexcusable. I know it sucks when a reviewer misses something that the developer intended them to understand - but seriously. You ask for an interview or something, you don't just harass them like that. Low class.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:33
Kraid
OH, HE MAD NOW!
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:35
MuddBstrd
Oh my god, I laughed WAAAAAY too hard at comparison to a down syndrome child. That was hilarious.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:35
Scuffles
Personally I take a reviewers score on a game under advisement but with a grain of salt based on personal taste. But to tell someone they are playing a game wrong .... sorry that just doesn't fly. If someone can't play and enjoy your game something has failed in the development process.

Mind you like I said I take reviews with a grain of salt because I realize that their take on the game might not necessarily be my own...... but to call and demand a re review.... that's just sad.
Smuckers's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:37
Smuckers
Awesome video Jim. I hadn't heard about this, but i was shocked when i read the article. I love your reviews and while i have disagreed with a few of them it's always crystal clear why you don't like something. I've always felt that Destructoid along with Edge and Eurogamer generally have accurate and reliable critiques and I find it appalling that developers would shit all over themselves and critics because their product just wasn't very good. Keep up the good work Jim and fuck those assholes.
kainsec's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:43
kainsec
Amen, preach brother preach. I am amazed they actually called you not once but 4 times. That is the epitome of unprofessional. In an industry based on personal opinions why should they get upset because a reviewer has a negative one about their game. It happens they need to get over it.
Jordan Devore's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:43
Jordan Devore
There's a way to respond to reviewers in a professional manor, and then there's what happened here.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:44
eternalplayer2345
I disagree with your down syndrom analogy as even down syndrome kid's parents are not as pathetic as this. I can't even believe this is becoming a trend. I don' know if this is the outcome of employees bonuses being tied to metacritic or the culture of games review scale only being 7-10, but it is pathetic. It is this stuff that continues to make me feel embarrassed when arguing that games are art when the "professionals" in this industry act like children.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:44
BoomingEchoes
So is this "your playing it wrong" thing becoming an annual event? Wasn't it just last year around this time that Shaffer was telling us we didn't get Brutal Legend because we were playing it wrong?

As much as I love Shaffer -but can care less about Dark Energy Digital- that's pure and utter crap that implies that the developer didn't think over every possible way to play their games, and when people, reviewers in this case, play it that abstract way (which ends up being the logical way, since it seems many people are playing it that way?) they get all up in arms and throw a fit...

It's retarded bordering on lazy..
shizknight's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:45
shizknight
I can't agree with you more on this one Jim. It's ludicrous to think that a bad review means you get a call from the devs bitching you out for not playing the game right. Frankly, I value your opinion and throwing away any review guides you receive with a game is exactly how I would want you to deal with them and exactly what I would do in the same situation.
Bobthecatlol's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:46
Bobthecatlol
I saw a live stream of the game and yeah it was interesting sometimes but most of the time it did look boring.

The livestreamers comment at the end was "what a POS" if you'd like to call him I can see about getting a hold of his number.
Noir's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:48
Noir
Hydrophobia in it's entirety is a big water level, of course it's gonna be bad no matter how it's played. Stupid devs, what do they want? To play the game with the controller upside down?
James Andrews's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:49
James Andrews
It's wrong to feel... funny? Down there... When you watch this video?
Reginald's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:51
Reginald
JIM WHAT IS YOUR PHONE NUMBER. I WILL BOTHER SAMIT ON HIS BIRTHDAY TO GET YOUR NUMBER, THEN CALL YOU 50 TIMES.
BenelliM4's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 13:59
BenelliM4
I concur with you, Jim. If you don't like a game and think it's put together poorly, then there's really nothing anyone can do about that. I applaud you for sticking to your guns and calling out Dark Energy on this and the fact that they're calling Dtoid associates demanding to have a go at you. The worst part is, I was really looking forward to Hydrophobia, and seeing that it came out as a mess saddens me greatly. And it saddens me also to see that Dark Energy thinks they can just wipe away the fact that it wasn't good by saying "They played it wrong." As if that helps the fact that you didn't like it. The real travesty here is that they thought they could get away with it.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 14:00
Chris Carter
I can't watch it because I'm on my iPod, but all I can think of is Brutal Legend, and Tim telling people you're doing it wrong via the infamous letter.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 14:03
The Silent Protagonist
Don't entirely agree.

I'll certainly agree that the developer is out of line, but I don't believe "experience" as a gamer precludes them from fucking up or missing something the developer communicated within the game quite clearly.

Good example would be PN03 on Gamecube. That game got raked over the coals by reviewers and it explained everything, the controls were spot-on and I totally had a blast with the gameplay and enjoyed the rich visuals.

Yet it was almost universally panned. I saw more than one reviewer see some serious forum backlash and it wasn't about the score, it was about the misinformation. It was like they weren't even playing the same game the reviewer did.

A reviewer is responsible just as much for the facts as he is for his opinion when reviewing a game. You might not owe a developer the scores they wish to see, but you do owe your readers the closest portrayal of the truth you can provide.
Ffordesoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 14:06
Ffordesoon
My mouth was open when I read that article on Ars. That said, I smiled when I heard they were pulling this shit on you, Jim, because I knew you were the wrong effing guy to pull that shit on. :)
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 14:07
Chris Carter
Just read the article though; that's despicable, and quite frankly, harassment.

It also boggles the mind. Did THEY even playtest the game? Anyone can tell that game is shit.
ImperialShield's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2010 14:08
ImperialShield
@MystyrE -- Actually what his twitter said was that he didn't mind the score, but he didn't like inaccurate statements made in the review. Opinion is one thing, everyone's entitled to have theirs, but if you can't get the facts about a game's content right, something is up. Now, whether he's right or wrong I can't say. I haven't played it yet, but I'm looking forward to giving it a shot. Might regret the purchase later, but that's almost always a risk.
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