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GTA IV felt like a serious downgrade after San Andreas and even Vice City. The new Saints Row appears to have most of what SA had so I'm pretty excited for that and skeptical about GTA V for now.
I don't mind a serious story but I do mind the lack of ambition GTA IV had.
I don't mind a serious story but I do mind the lack of ambition GTA IV had.
Playing a game as a criminal should remove inhibitions, giving you freedom to play as a villain, killing, stealing, etc. When I want to do that, I would prefer it take place in a at least somewhat believable setting. That's what GTA has over Saints Row. I'm no fan of GTA4, but that's because it removed so many sandbox freedoms and activities.
All I want from GTA5 is a return of all the cool stuff from SA that was striped away.
Running around with a dildo was available in SA, but out didn't mean the game had balls; it just meant it was getting too goofy.
All I want from GTA5 is a return of all the cool stuff from SA that was striped away.
Running around with a dildo was available in SA, but out didn't mean the game had balls; it just meant it was getting too goofy.
I don't enjoy Saint's Row as much as the old GTA, and that's chiefly because I feel I'm supposed to be doing stupid immature rubbish. In the older GTA games I would cheat constantly, which made it a lot more fun. Even in a game about breaking the rules, I felt I was breaking the rules.
Smashing people in the face with a floppy purple dildo isn't as fun when you're 'supposed' to do it.
Smashing people in the face with a floppy purple dildo isn't as fun when you're 'supposed' to do it.
In the future, if you are going to have a giant dildo-bat, could you please hit something with it.
Thanks,
The World.
Thanks,
The World.
I tried to play my friend's copy of GTA4, it was boring as hell. The missions never got any more varied other than "go here and kill this person" or "pick up these 3 passengers and do some drive by." I await saints Row 3 with great anticipation. I even still consider that fart bombs are too immature to be considered funny, but it still looks like it has an amazing variety of missions and objectives. Honestly, I really want to see some statistics on how many people actually FINISH GTA games anymore. Every person I've ever talked to about GTA games never really do the missions, they just put in codes, drive around shooting people, then get bored.
No one can lose their balls, I for one have never lost them. Maybe if they were prosthetic, but I don't know.
Someone needs to make a .gif of the end. Just saying.
And Jim, I totally agree with you, and though I'm not too much into Saints Row, I really love what Rockstar has done with GTA, and they really do compliment each other. People will complain, though.
So it goes.
And Jim, I totally agree with you, and though I'm not too much into Saints Row, I really love what Rockstar has done with GTA, and they really do compliment each other. People will complain, though.
So it goes.
JIM: He Cliffy B have you ever been stroking a big purple dildo on screen and though 'hey, Im' stroking abig purple dildo?'
Cliffy: No can't say I haven't.
JIM: Me either... he
Cliffy: No can't say I haven't.
JIM: Me either... he
I knew Jim would be able to see the difference. Yet Jim, sadly, there are still people out there who think that Saints Row is trying to copy GTA, either they are blind or don't have a brain and are unable to see they are two different games now.
It is like, go to any Saints Row board and there is always someone bashing Saints Row with GTA and all that crud. But their loss, as you said there Jim, those of us who enjoy and want both, we win twice.
It is like, go to any Saints Row board and there is always someone bashing Saints Row with GTA and all that crud. But their loss, as you said there Jim, those of us who enjoy and want both, we win twice.
Honestly the original Saint's Row sucked, it was way worse than GTA4. The only reason SR is "winning" or whatever is because it has 2 more titles under its belt for this gen than GTA. The next GTA will be amazing.
No it is just people have different taste in games. And most people tend to say a game is doing something wrong when it is not in line with their taste. A major example would be people complaining about some devs making a good story in games. Another recent example would be Uncharted 3. People complaining about it being cinematic when that is what Naughtydog was going for and many people enjoy. Just because something does not fit your tast does not mean it is wrong. We want different experiences. We dont want everything the same.
One time I thought I lost one of my balls, but it was just pushed up inside of me.
When I poked it, it popped right back into place.
When I poked it, it popped right back into place.
I do really like what Rockstar does with the narrative. For the most part some of their scenes are laid out better than you get with most crime films. It also has its crap sprinkled in, but overall there are always parts that leave me satisfied. Their controls and car handling on the other hand leave much to be desired. I already pre bought Saints row the third and despite my reservations now, will be suckered into getting GTAV.
Jim yer so sexxy
I didnt mind the more serious story of GTA4 and would actual like it to go even further in this direction
That being said the biggest flaw of GTA4 was it didnt have enough toys in the sandbox so that ever fresh feeling GTA has always been known for felt faded
I didnt mind the more serious story of GTA4 and would actual like it to go even further in this direction
That being said the biggest flaw of GTA4 was it didnt have enough toys in the sandbox so that ever fresh feeling GTA has always been known for felt faded
@llort You obviously didn't play the amazing bank robbery mission. In fact, the one thing that IV did better than it's predecessors was the missions themselves.
Oh, and not only did I finish the game, I 100%ed it. A friend of mine did the same, and out of about five others only one didn't finish. Sounds like you have shitty friends.
Oh, and not only did I finish the game, I 100%ed it. A friend of mine did the same, and out of about five others only one didn't finish. Sounds like you have shitty friends.
One of you assholes make a gif of Jim stroking that dildo. NOW!
On topic though, I'm right there with you.
On topic though, I'm right there with you.
Fuck, I thought I wasn't the only one, but now it appears that there are NO GTA IV fans on Destructoid. I loved every minute of that game. Is there something wrong with me?
The way Jim strokes that purple dildo...er, ahem.
I may not say that both GTA and SR are actual complements with each other. There are gamers who would rather take GTA over SR and vice versa for the very reasons you stated. However, gamers who don't care and would rather have both may see them as complements then. And those reasons why someone would prefer GTA or SR are the very reasons these games are different.
When you strip both games down to their very core, then you'll have the typical third-person sandbox game. If at that point is where we judge a game, then yes SR and GTA are both the same game. But has that stopped other games from being created that are identical to others at the core? No. Building up on that core adding features, and mechanics for the player helps give the game identity from the other games that sit right next to them. Rockstar and Volition handle both of their games in their own way, and this helps create two typical sandbox games different from each other.
That is of course the way I see games when it comes to "copying" and "knock-offs."
I may not say that both GTA and SR are actual complements with each other. There are gamers who would rather take GTA over SR and vice versa for the very reasons you stated. However, gamers who don't care and would rather have both may see them as complements then. And those reasons why someone would prefer GTA or SR are the very reasons these games are different.
When you strip both games down to their very core, then you'll have the typical third-person sandbox game. If at that point is where we judge a game, then yes SR and GTA are both the same game. But has that stopped other games from being created that are identical to others at the core? No. Building up on that core adding features, and mechanics for the player helps give the game identity from the other games that sit right next to them. Rockstar and Volition handle both of their games in their own way, and this helps create two typical sandbox games different from each other.
That is of course the way I see games when it comes to "copying" and "knock-offs."
Good episode, Jim!
I disagree. I feel that Grand Theft Auto IV tried to have a mature story, but the bipolar direction it took (a serious story in a world of satire) didn't work. It was like putting Michael Corleone in Toon Town: it was off-putting, distracting, and in the end, you couldn't fully enjoy either aspect. Rockstar wants to give me a mature story? Great! Just insert the mature tone and smart writing of games like Red Dead Redemption and L.A. Noire instead of the saddening lowest common denominator jokes like those of GTAIV.
It seems to me that the clever writing that Rockstar had in Vice City and San Andreas was missing in GTAIV, but I think that's because of James Worrall's departure as co-writer of the series. Also, I feel that Saints Row 2 was, overall, better written than GTAIV.
I disagree. I feel that Grand Theft Auto IV tried to have a mature story, but the bipolar direction it took (a serious story in a world of satire) didn't work. It was like putting Michael Corleone in Toon Town: it was off-putting, distracting, and in the end, you couldn't fully enjoy either aspect. Rockstar wants to give me a mature story? Great! Just insert the mature tone and smart writing of games like Red Dead Redemption and L.A. Noire instead of the saddening lowest common denominator jokes like those of GTAIV.
It seems to me that the clever writing that Rockstar had in Vice City and San Andreas was missing in GTAIV, but I think that's because of James Worrall's departure as co-writer of the series. Also, I feel that Saints Row 2 was, overall, better written than GTAIV.
"Smashing people in the face with a floppy purple dildo isn't as fun when you're 'supposed' to do it."
@Naturality nailed it on the head (no pun intended). It's no fun to do zany stuff when the game is basically MAKING you do zany stuff. There will probably be a mission in Saints Row The Third where the only weapon you have is a floppy purple dildo. That will take all the fun out of using it. Saints Row makes being deprived seem too contrived.
@Naturality nailed it on the head (no pun intended). It's no fun to do zany stuff when the game is basically MAKING you do zany stuff. There will probably be a mission in Saints Row The Third where the only weapon you have is a floppy purple dildo. That will take all the fun out of using it. Saints Row makes being deprived seem too contrived.
The way that I see it, when one wants a crime drama with one's protagonist often on the supply end of things, there is Grand Theft Auto or the current batch of Rockstar games in general.
When one wants a game that lets one violate the laws of civilized society as well as the laws of physics and common sense, there is the Saint's Row series.
Besides, GTA has floppy dicks on display, ones not hidden behind mosaic filters, either.
When one wants a game that lets one violate the laws of civilized society as well as the laws of physics and common sense, there is the Saint's Row series.
Besides, GTA has floppy dicks on display, ones not hidden behind mosaic filters, either.
I like GTA4's serious tone, but I missed a lot of the sandbox/world building elements. No aircraft, limited properties to buy(I LOVED THAT FEATURE), and I hated most of the "friends".
BUT - Nico Bellic has a compelling backstory and could be insightful at time. "War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
It also felt like Nico did not achieve the level of badassery I would have liked. Like, that big Russian mob boss still lives.
BUT - Nico Bellic has a compelling backstory and could be insightful at time. "War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
It also felt like Nico did not achieve the level of badassery I would have liked. Like, that big Russian mob boss still lives.
GTA4 is still my fav game this Generation.
I will not waste my time explaining all the details why, just wanna agree with Jim. I love the fact that SR and GTA go different directions cause both things are great, if one of the games would try to do both, it would suck.
Will play both games.
I will not waste my time explaining all the details why, just wanna agree with Jim. I love the fact that SR and GTA go different directions cause both things are great, if one of the games would try to do both, it would suck.
Will play both games.
I for one am glad that GTA V seems to focus on having a good mature story,I really enjoyed Red dead redemptions story and I hope GTA V has as good a story if not better.
My, oh my!
Even though I read the review, it still didn't prepare me for seeing that baby in action...
Even though I read the review, it still didn't prepare me for seeing that baby in action...
I kind of hope that GTA does lose it's balls and we see a baddass female character in the series for a change. Faint hope I guess.
Meh... it's likely that this game will have the same shitty driving and shooting mechanics as their other games. Still, I agree that it's nice to see some decent narrative in these games - there certainly are other games with no plot where people can simply wreak mindless havoc
Meh... it's likely that this game will have the same shitty driving and shooting mechanics as their other games. Still, I agree that it's nice to see some decent narrative in these games - there certainly are other games with no plot where people can simply wreak mindless havoc
I hate you Jim. You cover nearly every logical stance to have on a subject and support them with hard, tangible facts. This leaves those of us with ACTUAL brains with nothing to say but, "Shit yeah! Good Video!"
Dick. :-)
Dick. :-)
I'm happy with GTA's matureness in the recent years, and I'm also happy with Saints Row extreme silly dickiness, so yeah, I'm getting both.
@Arttemis: That is a damn fine point. When playing as a police officer, you feel like you really shouldn't be running people down or blowing shit up. If you are playing a sociopath though, it feels natural. Very valid point to make. Well done.
You don't seem to have much experience with GTA. Gamers don't "hate" GTA for getting tame but for putting narration and realism in front of everything else. Especially Vice City was so much fun to play and had a great arcade style. Taking 90 degree turns with full speed in my Banshee? No fucking problem. The whole game was a blast to play and I was always looking forward to the next completely fucked up and funny cutscene. That's still in GTA4 but they put so much bullshit in it that no one needs like girlfriends, "realistic" cars that are retarded to drive, slower gameplay and even more sluggish controls.
And yes, I dislike franchises that takes a complete 180 in terms of gameplay. I want my games to be fun to play and not watch an emotional story of an immigrant who just wants to do the "right" thing. At least not when it's the cause to ditch everything else.
Saints Row on the other hand. I completely dislike the graphics. They are not bad from a technical standpoint but artistic wise it's so fucking boring to look at and explore. That wasn't the case in any GTA. I don't exactly know which target audience Saint Row has, maybe younger players, but running around with a giant dildo is absolutely no fun in my opinion. Maybe Saints Row 3 will have better gameplay but SR2 was just utterly garbage, buggy and bad to control.
There you have it. Thanks god for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......
And yes, I dislike franchises that takes a complete 180 in terms of gameplay. I want my games to be fun to play and not watch an emotional story of an immigrant who just wants to do the "right" thing. At least not when it's the cause to ditch everything else.
Saints Row on the other hand. I completely dislike the graphics. They are not bad from a technical standpoint but artistic wise it's so fucking boring to look at and explore. That wasn't the case in any GTA. I don't exactly know which target audience Saint Row has, maybe younger players, but running around with a giant dildo is absolutely no fun in my opinion. Maybe Saints Row 3 will have better gameplay but SR2 was just utterly garbage, buggy and bad to control.
There you have it. Thanks god for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......
GTA doesn't have to sacrifice any artsy aspirations by making the protagonist a truly bad ass. In fact, the more deeply flawed the character is, the better. I like Sterling's stance on the issue but it doesn't change the fact that Nico was a pussy. And who wants to play as a pussy?
I really like Naturality's comment: "smashing people in the face with a floppy purple dildo isn't as fun when you're 'supposed' to do it."
GTA could annihilate Saints Row if they wanted to in the upcoming installment.
Which is what I’m hoping for.
Which is what I’m hoping for.
I never did get round to completing GTA 4 but I did really enjoy it (Many games I don't complete I am a bit shit like that)
I only found Saints Row 2 about 4 months ago and I FUCKING loved it. Cannot wait for Saints 3.
Both games I will without doubt be getting, they are both sandbox but so so so different!
I only found Saints Row 2 about 4 months ago and I FUCKING loved it. Cannot wait for Saints 3.
Both games I will without doubt be getting, they are both sandbox but so so so different!
yeah, i didn't like GTA4 as much as San andreas or Vice city, and yes, i miss the chainsaw and jetpacks.i didn't like it at all. maybe i'll get saints row.... who knows.... it might be good.
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