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Today Microsoft announced a new Data Explorer tool, which you sort information in SQL databases and spreadsheets. Microsoft is relevant to gaming, so why isn't an article about the Data Explorer tool on Destructoid.
Most people didn't ask why "Steve Jobs" is relevant to gaming, or why an iPad or iPhone is relative to gaming, but why a FILM about Steve Jobs was relative to gaming.
Most people didn't ask why "Steve Jobs" is relevant to gaming, or why an iPad or iPhone is relative to gaming, but why a FILM about Steve Jobs was relative to gaming.
Post about Steve Jobs' death, fine. But then move on. Jobs' death was the biggest, and most flagrantly excessive display of public guilt masturbation competitions that we've seen since Michael Jackson died. People were actually supposedly crying. This should be troubling to everyone because all it shows is the frightening power that modern advertising, and brands have over people. None of these people knew Jobs, yet they were ready to crucify anyone who didn't bow down and worship the guy like he was a holy relic. I don't think anyone would have complained about the first article, but on other sites besides Destructoid - it turned into several articles; with more and more comments wondering ... why?
As far as iOS, it is not a platform that demands respect from everyone. The fact that you have to demand respect on behalf of the platform proves this. This is the funniest, and most ironic part of all the biggest Apple fans. Their core mission is to convince everyone else to respect the brand, and the device. You see this in every social/mobile games article.
Why do you have to go so far out of your way to bludgeon us over the head and demand our respect? If the device was so amazing, don't you think we would already respect it? The truth is that there are countless reasons why many gamers don't respect it as far as they can throw it, and they're all ignored in this video. The vast majority of the games are complete shit, with a shovelware ratio that makes the Wii's library look like the Criterion Collection. There are very, very few deep games. The controls suck. I could go on, but the reality is, not everyone agrees with you on this one Jim! Calling them all stupid doesn't change the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of legitimate complaints with the platform, and the games. Keep ignoring them if you're happy with it, but don't act like we're bumbling fools who have no point!
As far as iOS, it is not a platform that demands respect from everyone. The fact that you have to demand respect on behalf of the platform proves this. This is the funniest, and most ironic part of all the biggest Apple fans. Their core mission is to convince everyone else to respect the brand, and the device. You see this in every social/mobile games article.
Why do you have to go so far out of your way to bludgeon us over the head and demand our respect? If the device was so amazing, don't you think we would already respect it? The truth is that there are countless reasons why many gamers don't respect it as far as they can throw it, and they're all ignored in this video. The vast majority of the games are complete shit, with a shovelware ratio that makes the Wii's library look like the Criterion Collection. There are very, very few deep games. The controls suck. I could go on, but the reality is, not everyone agrees with you on this one Jim! Calling them all stupid doesn't change the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of legitimate complaints with the platform, and the games. Keep ignoring them if you're happy with it, but don't act like we're bumbling fools who have no point!
"Why is Steve Jobs related to videogames at all?"
Not even relating this to the video (which for some reason won't start) or the reasons why he's related to video games currently (maybe), but he was employed by Atari briefly in 1974 and almost got fired because he didn't work well with others. Atari even paid for him to go to India.
I think I just solved the "Seven Degree's Of Steve Jobs in one turn.
Not even relating this to the video (which for some reason won't start) or the reasons why he's related to video games currently (maybe), but he was employed by Atari briefly in 1974 and almost got fired because he didn't work well with others. Atari even paid for him to go to India.
I think I just solved the "Seven Degree's Of Steve Jobs in one turn.
Great video Jim. I have always been an apple hater since I was a kid (I am 30 now). Ever since I tried playing a game on a mac and seeing it had a 1 button mouse, I never trusted the company again.
Your video though has shown me quite a few fun looking titles that I would love to play. The only thing is I would never buy an iphone because new versions are released o quickly that I would feel ripped off..
I am very excited for the new PS Vita however, and I have heard that it may have the option of playing similar style app/games like the ones on iOS devices. I am the type of gamer that really needs buttons and analog sticks so the vita looks great in that regard. Now I am hoping I can play some of these titles on it as well as big title games.
Thanks Jim
Your video though has shown me quite a few fun looking titles that I would love to play. The only thing is I would never buy an iphone because new versions are released o quickly that I would feel ripped off..
I am very excited for the new PS Vita however, and I have heard that it may have the option of playing similar style app/games like the ones on iOS devices. I am the type of gamer that really needs buttons and analog sticks so the vita looks great in that regard. Now I am hoping I can play some of these titles on it as well as big title games.
Thanks Jim
@pokota
If there were news about a movie being made about Satoru Iwata after he died, would you expect a gaming news site to comment on it? Yes you would. So why not Jobs?
If there were news about a movie being made about Satoru Iwata after he died, would you expect a gaming news site to comment on it? Yes you would. So why not Jobs?
I don't think there was any question about whether iOS and Apple were relevant to gaming. But I will still argue that Steve Jobs was not relevant.
Snake was being played on Nokia phones before Apple ever had a phone out. Should blogs have posted about the birth of Stephen Elop's triplets?
Ralph Baer is often credited as the man who invented the video game concept and medium yet when he was inducted into the National Inventors Hall Of Fame, not a single video game blog posted about it.
Steve Jobs was the founder and CEO of a very large company, a very large company which has many divisions. Inside one of these divisions, a group of people - which did not include Jobs - came up with a device. The same or another group of people in the same or very possibly another division had the idea to put games on this device, in much the same way simple games had been put on mobile phones in the past; not a new idea by any stretch. Other video game developers and publishers noted the potential money to be made and together, with a section of the aforementioned large company, gaming on iOS was born.
Steve Jobs' input into the creation and success of gaming on iOS extended, at most, to looking over a few design propositions, saying "OK" and signing off on them, most likely alongside several other big wigs in a board meeting.
I do not debate for one second Apple's relevance to the gaming industry. But that's the key there: Apple. The company. Thousands and thousands of people. The iPhone, iPad, iPod, iPod Touch and gaming on iOS was not invented or pioneered by one man. To say Steve Jobs created gaming on iOS and grew it into the monster it's become would be akin to claiming that Bill Gates came up with the idea of playing games on a PC.
By all means, gaming sites should report on iOS gaming in all its forms. But reporting on Steve Jobs' death was, in all cases without exception, nothing more than a pathetic and insulting grab for hits; getting in on the gold rush before the corpse gets cold.
Snake was being played on Nokia phones before Apple ever had a phone out. Should blogs have posted about the birth of Stephen Elop's triplets?
Ralph Baer is often credited as the man who invented the video game concept and medium yet when he was inducted into the National Inventors Hall Of Fame, not a single video game blog posted about it.
Steve Jobs was the founder and CEO of a very large company, a very large company which has many divisions. Inside one of these divisions, a group of people - which did not include Jobs - came up with a device. The same or another group of people in the same or very possibly another division had the idea to put games on this device, in much the same way simple games had been put on mobile phones in the past; not a new idea by any stretch. Other video game developers and publishers noted the potential money to be made and together, with a section of the aforementioned large company, gaming on iOS was born.
Steve Jobs' input into the creation and success of gaming on iOS extended, at most, to looking over a few design propositions, saying "OK" and signing off on them, most likely alongside several other big wigs in a board meeting.
I do not debate for one second Apple's relevance to the gaming industry. But that's the key there: Apple. The company. Thousands and thousands of people. The iPhone, iPad, iPod, iPod Touch and gaming on iOS was not invented or pioneered by one man. To say Steve Jobs created gaming on iOS and grew it into the monster it's become would be akin to claiming that Bill Gates came up with the idea of playing games on a PC.
By all means, gaming sites should report on iOS gaming in all its forms. But reporting on Steve Jobs' death was, in all cases without exception, nothing more than a pathetic and insulting grab for hits; getting in on the gold rush before the corpse gets cold.
i dont like apple as a company, but they have a to of great games on their ios.... also a lot of shit.
Fun fact: The iOS currently has a better library than the 3ds.
The more you know.
What's funny is that the same people that defended the wii from criticism are now criticizing iOS for similar things. And pc gamers criticized console controls. Then console gamers criticize touch controls.
The more you know.
What's funny is that the same people that defended the wii from criticism are now criticizing iOS for similar things. And pc gamers criticized console controls. Then console gamers criticize touch controls.
The problem is that game sites are piggybacking off of his death for hits, like Michael Jackson's death causing a resurgence in LOLMOONWALKERLOLSPACECHANNEL5 articles.
Two sentences on a game website mean shit to Jobs anyways.
Two sentences on a game website mean shit to Jobs anyways.
I have no problem with people liking Apple, but it's just not my thing. I don't care what game comes out for any of their devices, gaming without buttons just isn't fun to me. The novelty of Angry Birds wore off for me after about 5 minutes.
"offering solid experiences for less than 5 bucks is something that publishers are struggling to wrap their heads around"
What are you talking about? I completely agree with the 360's pricing model of charging 5 dollars for a virtual pair of avatar pants.
What are you talking about? I completely agree with the 360's pricing model of charging 5 dollars for a virtual pair of avatar pants.
Shinta, the argument is not that Apple devices deserve respect as gaming platforms, but that they are worth discussing as gaming platforms. Game Related. Having legitimate complaints about Apple in the gaming space is fine, and those complaints have a place on gaming sites, along with the adulation.
As far as Steve Jobs dying, I agree that the media reaction was way the hell over the top. I didn't personally feel that Destructoid contributed much to that, but maybe I just wasn't paying that close of attention.
As far as Steve Jobs dying, I agree that the media reaction was way the hell over the top. I didn't personally feel that Destructoid contributed much to that, but maybe I just wasn't paying that close of attention.
Oh man. I wish there were iOS games that were as fun and controlled as well as Pac-man, Galaga and Donkey Kong.
When that day comes, I'll be a happy iOS gamer. In the meantime, I'm not buying anything and will look longingly at the Xperia Play.
The frickin' Xperia Play!
It would be one thing if iPhone controls were just "limited". But they also "don't always work" and have you "covering the screen with your thumbs". I just can't stand it.
The games described as "deep" by the fans also usually fall short of that descriptor. It takes more than grindy RPG elements to have gameplay depth. Yes, I'm looking at you, Infinity Blade.
When that day comes, I'll be a happy iOS gamer. In the meantime, I'm not buying anything and will look longingly at the Xperia Play.
The frickin' Xperia Play!
It would be one thing if iPhone controls were just "limited". But they also "don't always work" and have you "covering the screen with your thumbs". I just can't stand it.
The games described as "deep" by the fans also usually fall short of that descriptor. It takes more than grindy RPG elements to have gameplay depth. Yes, I'm looking at you, Infinity Blade.
I think Maddox said it best:
"Everyone hyperventilating, repeat after me: I am not defined by the products I buy. My computer is not a part of my identity. My computer is a tool. And like all tools, it's only useful if I make it useful. A brand is not a lifestyle. I don't owe gratitude to a billionaire I helped create. Steve Jobs was a business man who charged exhorbitantly for his products. He didn't do us any favors. He didn't make us. We made him."
"Everyone hyperventilating, repeat after me: I am not defined by the products I buy. My computer is not a part of my identity. My computer is a tool. And like all tools, it's only useful if I make it useful. A brand is not a lifestyle. I don't owe gratitude to a billionaire I helped create. Steve Jobs was a business man who charged exhorbitantly for his products. He didn't do us any favors. He didn't make us. We made him."
The ignorance being spewed by Sony's self-loathing fanbase is appalling. Most of them are still in denial as to how quickly Apple has supplanted Sony in the mobile market. Get over it.
Steve Jobs brought to computing the mouse driven GUI, i.e. pretty windows and menus with mouse. Before that, it was typing shit on a DOS prompt. I really wish hipsters would quit being against the crowd long enough to see what a huge contribution to virtual entertainment this turned out to be.
@Sir Tobbii
Iwata is directly related to videogames. If a film were made about him, it would be about videogames as much as it would be about him. There is an absolute direct link.
A film about Steve Jobs won't be about videogames. Videogames are not why he's famous, not by a long shot. He was the CEO of a company that created operating systems and designed hardware, which other people used as a platform for games.
What people are saying is that Apple news in general is no more relevant to gaming in a specific context than general news about Microsoft or Sony would be.
Iwata is directly related to videogames. If a film were made about him, it would be about videogames as much as it would be about him. There is an absolute direct link.
A film about Steve Jobs won't be about videogames. Videogames are not why he's famous, not by a long shot. He was the CEO of a company that created operating systems and designed hardware, which other people used as a platform for games.
What people are saying is that Apple news in general is no more relevant to gaming in a specific context than general news about Microsoft or Sony would be.
i treat steve jobs like i treat my intenstines i know they are there doing something important but i dont care.sure he died thats bad but so did lots of other people. not being insensitive
I love my PS3 (as I loved my Wii, PS2, PS1, SNES, Genesis, NES and Atari) but I gotta say: even though I have a bunch of Gameboys, a DS, a PSP and a 3DS, what really got me into handheld/mobile gaming was the iPod Touch. Infinity Blade is a fantastic game.
Don't worry, it won't take over the consoles, the same fear was for TV killing radio and cinema, Internet killing TV, Gary Busey killing Internet. There's room for everybody.
Except Rovio. Screw those guys.
Don't worry, it won't take over the consoles, the same fear was for TV killing radio and cinema, Internet killing TV, Gary Busey killing Internet. There's room for everybody.
Except Rovio. Screw those guys.
Thank GOD for you Jim!
Well... I don't believe in God, cause he doesn't exist, but you're still awesome!
Well... I don't believe in God, cause he doesn't exist, but you're still awesome!
Yeah I'll play those iOS games... While waiting in line for my al pastor tacos on $1 taco Monday.
Then I can go home and play a real game on a controller.
Then I can go home and play a real game on a controller.
@Skid Row Trash "I would never buy an iphone because new versions are released o quickly that I would feel ripped off.. "
There has been one new iPhone model per year, with most software support going back at least two generations. Compare that to Android, where at least a dozen new Android phones are released each month, the majority of which are deprecated from Android OS updates after a few months.
Choose the mobile gaming platform you want; it won't affect me (unlike most DTOID commenters, who take alternate platform choice as an affront to their existence!). But stick to justifiable reasons.
There has been one new iPhone model per year, with most software support going back at least two generations. Compare that to Android, where at least a dozen new Android phones are released each month, the majority of which are deprecated from Android OS updates after a few months.
Choose the mobile gaming platform you want; it won't affect me (unlike most DTOID commenters, who take alternate platform choice as an affront to their existence!). But stick to justifiable reasons.
Steve Jobs and iOS are gaming related, but those two subjects alone being in a post does not mean the post is a gaming news post. Jay Leno liking cars isn't going to make any Car and driver magazine headlines.
I'm sorry Jim, but I don't agree. If you're previewing or reviewing a game on IOS, then yeah it's video game related. I mightn't be a big fan of Apple, but a game is a game. But reporting on the death of Steve Jobs, or whenever a new iphone comes out makes Dtoid seem more like a tech blog rather than a video game blog. It probably sounds like I'm nitpicking, and I probably am, so sorry if I'm coming across like an arsehole (which I imagine I am), but people expect video game stories on a video game blog, which is why people's reactions in the comments have been "wut?, because the iphone's primarily a phone and secondarily a gaming device.
I love Steve Jobs, love Apple, and completely agree they are a force in the gaming world. However, the article you posted about the Steve Jobs movie was not gaming related. I'm sure the most that movie will spend talking about games is 2 seconds when they mention all the functions of iOS devices.
Lets not forget that the app market that led to all these games wasn't even so much apples idea. It came from the Jailbreaking community who wanted to do more with their devices. The App store was just a logical response to that, and the games followed.
So yes, iOS is a major player in the gaming market, but apple almost stumbled onto that, it was the community that made it that way. Not apple, not Jobs.
So yes, iOS is a major player in the gaming market, but apple almost stumbled onto that, it was the community that made it that way. Not apple, not Jobs.
Honestly I've not seen many people complaining about a relationship of Jobs and gaming until this posts on this thread. Even so, I don't think it's significantly relevant to gaming in the sense that Jobs has played a diminished role at Apple for some time, so even if IOS is a legitimate platform he's had little to do with the platform lately. Also, excellent post Syn. If I had to define the word pretentious to someone, I'd point to the Apple logo.
I'm pleasantly surprised by most of the iOS games I've played. The only reason it isn't respected as a true gaming platform, yet, is because of the lack of regulation of the store. When rip-off titles are allowed to exist, you can expect people to take you seriously.
Still, Street Fighter IV Volt is amazing and Infinity Blade is one of the best games of last year. Those are two reasons to have an iPad, aside from all of the integrated features.
Still, Street Fighter IV Volt is amazing and Infinity Blade is one of the best games of last year. Those are two reasons to have an iPad, aside from all of the integrated features.
Agreed, and it's not that bad, seriously! I got an Android recently, and while they're not as big in the gaming department as iPhones are, I find myself enjoying the games on there time and time again. Would be nice to play some games with buttons, but really, that's all I have to complain about, and even then, touch controls are great with some games.
Apple has become a giant in gaming, but people just won't take them seriously. Some developers are taking great interest in the iPhone/Touch and making quality games on them.
Like really, I'm just going to throw it out there...
Angry Birds is fucking awesome. And it's evidence, along with games like Infinity Blade, that iOS is capable of having games that rival those on the PSP, 3DS, and even on occasion, console games.
And with the whole Steve Jobs thing, he was a major part in Apple, and with that, he is relevant. Would people complain when/if people post things when Jack Tramiel, the founder of Commodore dies? No, they'll be okay with that.
I honestly don't know where I'm going with this.
Stop complaining. It's not very nice. It's bad, and bad is bad. You don't want to be bad, do you?
Apple has become a giant in gaming, but people just won't take them seriously. Some developers are taking great interest in the iPhone/Touch and making quality games on them.
Like really, I'm just going to throw it out there...
Angry Birds is fucking awesome. And it's evidence, along with games like Infinity Blade, that iOS is capable of having games that rival those on the PSP, 3DS, and even on occasion, console games.
And with the whole Steve Jobs thing, he was a major part in Apple, and with that, he is relevant. Would people complain when/if people post things when Jack Tramiel, the founder of Commodore dies? No, they'll be okay with that.
I honestly don't know where I'm going with this.
Stop complaining. It's not very nice. It's bad, and bad is bad. You don't want to be bad, do you?
"Sorry, I just had to stop watching when you said you played your iPod more than your 3DS or PSP. I like you and everything, but that just reeks of trolling and selling out to Apple"
How is that trolling, the 3DS currently has no good (take note) original games, the psp is always kind of dry and if you keep up with releases than you don't have much to play on it, so all in all, there was no trolling in that comment.
How is that trolling, the 3DS currently has no good (take note) original games, the psp is always kind of dry and if you keep up with releases than you don't have much to play on it, so all in all, there was no trolling in that comment.
I really wish that I could get into mobile gaming. I really do. The games that I could buy for under ten dollars are exactly what I'm looking for. However, sadly, I just can't use a touch screen. It just doesn't feel right.
My feelings are simple. I have yet to play something on iPad/iPhone that impressed me despite many people trying to shove it into my face. One even went so far as to show me Ascension while we were playing Ascension and I said, "you know, playing with you right here and now is WHY I play ascension, not to face off against an AI"
My issue comes with the concept that these are surprisingly deep and quality games for cheap and that is true, for the price, they are surprising. But I'm sure a $25 recliner that manages to hold my weight is an amazing product as well. It doesn't mean it can compete with the quality of comfort I would find from a $400 recliner. The price of software is irrelevant to the quality of software and if all you're bringing me is "pretty good for a dollar" then I step away slowly. That's the crux of the entire argument, really. And before you claim me a hypocrit, please keep in mind I am constantly playing grumy grandpa on classic games too.
My issue comes with the concept that these are surprisingly deep and quality games for cheap and that is true, for the price, they are surprising. But I'm sure a $25 recliner that manages to hold my weight is an amazing product as well. It doesn't mean it can compete with the quality of comfort I would find from a $400 recliner. The price of software is irrelevant to the quality of software and if all you're bringing me is "pretty good for a dollar" then I step away slowly. That's the crux of the entire argument, really. And before you claim me a hypocrit, please keep in mind I am constantly playing grumy grandpa on classic games too.
I personally would like to see ios removed asap but that is just me the apple hater and non smartphone user. Personally I would like to see the prices that are given to ios and android games for the other platforms when the game is the same in some cases that is true. take Beat hazard for example the ipad version is not inferior to the console/pc version content wise yet is a lot cheaper. I know these prices can not be set on console but if you look at steam its still quite possible to price games that low. I personally think nintendo and sony should allow smartphone priced games on there platforms the vita and the 3ds. Even the consoles should be given the oportunitie to have those cheap games made for but that just doesnt happen which is a shame.
I really hope this changes in the future I mean I see no technical reason why a pc game or console game can't be a 1$ download.
yes you have sony microsoft and nintendo making it impossible to set these low prices but that doesnt mean they cant change or like I said earlier steam doesnt even have a minimum price or minimum amount of profit on the game so games can easily be made the 1$ of many smartphone games there. /rant out.
I really hope this changes in the future I mean I see no technical reason why a pc game or console game can't be a 1$ download.
yes you have sony microsoft and nintendo making it impossible to set these low prices but that doesnt mean they cant change or like I said earlier steam doesnt even have a minimum price or minimum amount of profit on the game so games can easily be made the 1$ of many smartphone games there. /rant out.
Time to take iOS and Facebook seriously, absolutely. Devs are abandoning AAA studios all the time in favour of a development process that actually fucking allows you to have a work/life balance. Every time a AAA studio closes about 10 or more of these iSO/Facebook dev studios will pop up.
I can't fucking wait until these publishers wonder where the fuck all the good devs are. Fucking picks need to change.
I can't fucking wait until these publishers wonder where the fuck all the good devs are. Fucking picks need to change.
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