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inb4 somebody tries to be clever by rating this video a hate out of 10, or some other variance of that.
also WHAT DO YOU MEAN SKYWARD SWORD ONLY GOT A 9.5/10. IF YOU DON'T LOVE MOTION CONTROLS YOU'RE A LAZY NEANDERTHAL!
also WHAT DO YOU MEAN SKYWARD SWORD ONLY GOT A 9.5/10. IF YOU DON'T LOVE MOTION CONTROLS YOU'RE A LAZY NEANDERTHAL!
Also, you've probably already discussed this before, but what if Destructoid switched over to a 5 point scoring system. 3/5 sounds better than a 6/10
4/5 sounds better then 8/10 too, but they both get converted to 80% on metacritic as far as I know. People/companies take that metacritic score seriously(the pro reviews that is).
I always thought both of those scores were really good, but I think it's so competitive now that anything less then a 9 is a waste of people's time and money now? Or they feel like the review is personally insulting them which is just ridiculous, as if to say, "ha haaaa! you're playing an 8 game and you love it! moron!" When an 8 is really damn good.
Personally I tend to avoid reviews of both games and movies I want to see/play. I'm more curious to see after how their thoughts line up or misalign with mine. However, good reviews on a game I have little to no interest in will make me take note and perhaps try something I was not going to. Universal mediocre reviews on games I might have played pretty much make me not play it.
I always thought both of those scores were really good, but I think it's so competitive now that anything less then a 9 is a waste of people's time and money now? Or they feel like the review is personally insulting them which is just ridiculous, as if to say, "ha haaaa! you're playing an 8 game and you love it! moron!" When an 8 is really damn good.
Personally I tend to avoid reviews of both games and movies I want to see/play. I'm more curious to see after how their thoughts line up or misalign with mine. However, good reviews on a game I have little to no interest in will make me take note and perhaps try something I was not going to. Universal mediocre reviews on games I might have played pretty much make me not play it.
I still hold the view that we need to get rid of the number review system. To me is it is stupid to give a game a number and even more stupid when you give it .1-.9. It encourages people to just look at the score most of the time instead of reading the review and start shitstorms. I think we should go to either sole written review with no score or a Buy it if: Rent it if: Ignore it if: because everyone has their likes and dislikes and what things bother them in a game.
Anything 7 or above is worth playing IMO. People that bitch about review scores should be dragged by their twig and berries into the streets and promptly flogged with a tree branch.
@stop spoilers....i kind of agree, though I think it would be hard to stop. It's ingrained in our society to rate everything.
btw...10/10 super A+ bro guy on your post.
btw...10/10 super A+ bro guy on your post.
Who has a problem with an 8 score? Not every game can be a 9 or 10.
Although an 8.5 for Super Mario 3D Land was a tinge gay.
Although an 8.5 for Super Mario 3D Land was a tinge gay.
Maybe we can stop talking about this now? I think we,get it. You spent so much time talking about it on the podcast that I just shut it off.
Well spoken brother.
But you do have to remember that you need to run comments through the internet troll filter. sarcasm doesnt fit through the internet pipes.
But you do have to remember that you need to run comments through the internet troll filter. sarcasm doesnt fit through the internet pipes.
Jeez Jim, you're really getting as much mileage as you can out of this hate out of 10 thing aren't you?
Anyone else think that Eurogamer's Uncharted 3 score might be a bit too high? I haven't read the review, so I'm not saying they don't justify the score, but after playing through the single player portion I don't think I could give it better than 7/11, even though I'd easily rate the first game a 10/11 and the second an 11/11.
I'd rate this Jimquisition a 7.9/11.
I'd rate this Jimquisition a 7.9/11.
Bring the rage, Jim. This is one of your angriest Jimquisitions that I can think of and it's beautiful.
@Sherwood513
As long as gamers keep being idiots and continue to complain about scores, Jim has reason to rant about them.
@Sherwood513
As long as gamers keep being idiots and continue to complain about scores, Jim has reason to rant about them.
I give that episode of the Jimquisition a 10/10, by which I mean it is average(for the Jimquisition). It's your own fault for holding such a high standard for the show, Jim!
Time to get rid of review scores already. Destructoid is on of the few sites that could actually do that, and lead on with good example. Have of the people ranting about an 8 or even 9 being low or whatever do not even read the actual review to understand where those number come from. So, get rid of them already!
this episode was poor. Jim your writing has gotten sloppy. the script seemed lazy and cobbled together. your commentary came across as uninterested. In my opinion this was the worst jimquisition in the series.
8/10
8/10
"Modern Game Journalism: The Movie" by Mega64 was gold.
You should all see it if you find this as ridiculous as Jim does.
You should all see it if you find this as ridiculous as Jim does.
@GodComplex
your critique of Mr Sterling's critique of the community at large was very insightful but since you included a review score i realized that my sensibilities couldn't grasp the full meaning of your score in sharp contrast to your review.
1/10
your critique of Mr Sterling's critique of the community at large was very insightful but since you included a review score i realized that my sensibilities couldn't grasp the full meaning of your score in sharp contrast to your review.
1/10
This scare me to think the gamers now are so stupid nowdays.
and also...
Can someone please, make a gif of Jim Breakdown in the end?
and also...
Can someone please, make a gif of Jim Breakdown in the end?
@Stop Spoilers
I agree we'd be better off without review scores, but I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon. I wish an outlet like Dtoid would choose to let the reviews speak for themselves, but no one is willing to take that step. As much as we give people hell for not paying more attention to the review, no site has the balls to go against the easy-to-understand industry standard of tacking on scores.
The sad part is that if Dtoid abolished scores, Metacritic would still be a problem. I don't know if people realize this, but Metacritic doesn't just reinterpret review scores on its own scale (such as turning a 4.5/5 into a 90) they sometimes create their own scores for reviews. A lot of film reviews don't bother with scores but that doesn't stop Metacritic from tacking on a number to them anyway. It's disgusting.
I agree we'd be better off without review scores, but I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon. I wish an outlet like Dtoid would choose to let the reviews speak for themselves, but no one is willing to take that step. As much as we give people hell for not paying more attention to the review, no site has the balls to go against the easy-to-understand industry standard of tacking on scores.
The sad part is that if Dtoid abolished scores, Metacritic would still be a problem. I don't know if people realize this, but Metacritic doesn't just reinterpret review scores on its own scale (such as turning a 4.5/5 into a 90) they sometimes create their own scores for reviews. A lot of film reviews don't bother with scores but that doesn't stop Metacritic from tacking on a number to them anyway. It's disgusting.
Great rant Jim. The number shouldn't mean anything, but that one number is becoming a huge factor in whether or not a person buys the game or not. Very sad yes, but true. However, if everyone knows or expects your reviews to be "shit" by their standards, then why do they keep coming back? Why don't they go make their own review blog so they can bathe in their all knowing, all truthful reviewer position?
It really is all about perspective: Both Return to Dreamland and Skyrim received 10s from your end, but for entirely different reasons, and there are a few types of people that it would come down to: Those who are interested Kirby, those who are interested in Skyrim, those who are interested in both, and those who have no interest for either. But the problem arises from the fact that people are comparing to 10s to completely different games.
Any ideas how to solve this problem guys?
It really is all about perspective: Both Return to Dreamland and Skyrim received 10s from your end, but for entirely different reasons, and there are a few types of people that it would come down to: Those who are interested Kirby, those who are interested in Skyrim, those who are interested in both, and those who have no interest for either. But the problem arises from the fact that people are comparing to 10s to completely different games.
Any ideas how to solve this problem guys?
I don't think the problem lies within reviewers giving too many 10/10 but that - as you pointed out - people need to get some fucking perspective.
I haven't quite figured out if you were being serious but I think that blaming writers for a problem that stems from their readers is a bit harsh.
Great episode though, I like the anger.
I haven't quite figured out if you were being serious but I think that blaming writers for a problem that stems from their readers is a bit harsh.
Great episode though, I like the anger.
Meanwhile everyone not watching the video is poking fun at Sterling's Satire.
I feel like there is a lot of sensible people who do not make accounts but they do come on sites like Destructoid but choose not to make a membership because they don't want to be in the crowd of misfit child-like that every corner of the internet community is filled with.
I'm quite sensible I do feel disappointed if a game is not as good as would hope, and today's Jimquisition hits on the mark and it's so eerily true the only thing keeping the majority for realizing the ridicule truth of Jim's opinion is the large base of disrespect of Jim Sterling.
I do wish the community typing a witty banter at Sterling did actually paid close attention to this.
Or this is a damn shame for this to be ignored by the masses.
I feel like there is a lot of sensible people who do not make accounts but they do come on sites like Destructoid but choose not to make a membership because they don't want to be in the crowd of misfit child-like that every corner of the internet community is filled with.
I'm quite sensible I do feel disappointed if a game is not as good as would hope, and today's Jimquisition hits on the mark and it's so eerily true the only thing keeping the majority for realizing the ridicule truth of Jim's opinion is the large base of disrespect of Jim Sterling.
I do wish the community typing a witty banter at Sterling did actually paid close attention to this.
Or this is a damn shame for this to be ignored by the masses.
It's not just "low 8s". It seems that any number will upset gamers if they let it.
Mainly because the moment you assign something a number, everyone clamours to compare it to other numbers they have seen. Positive numbers are as upsetting, if not more upsetting, for some folk.
OH HOW I WISH I HAD AN EXAMPLE
OH HOW I WISH I HAD ANOTHER ONE
The only way to combat this is to award every game a piece of food. Food is as conflicting as videogames, and that way it will give people something else to argue about so it might take their mind off the review they just read.
Example:
Comment1: Oh wow! I love salad!
Comment2: Salad? Where's the steak to go with it? Salad is an accompaniment, a side tops.
Comment3: I don't know about the salad, but I like the woman's honest face and shiny auburn hair and her smooth, innocent wrist.
Comment4: Meh. I give her a 7/10, she's average at best.
Mainly because the moment you assign something a number, everyone clamours to compare it to other numbers they have seen. Positive numbers are as upsetting, if not more upsetting, for some folk.
OH HOW I WISH I HAD AN EXAMPLE
OH HOW I WISH I HAD ANOTHER ONE
The only way to combat this is to award every game a piece of food. Food is as conflicting as videogames, and that way it will give people something else to argue about so it might take their mind off the review they just read.
Example:
Comment1: Oh wow! I love salad!
Comment2: Salad? Where's the steak to go with it? Salad is an accompaniment, a side tops.
Comment3: I don't know about the salad, but I like the woman's honest face and shiny auburn hair and her smooth, innocent wrist.
Comment4: Meh. I give her a 7/10, she's average at best.
Big deal. Kids complain, the internet moves on. The word "controversy" does not apply here, not unless someone has real evidence of bribery or coercion.
Bloggers trying to build it up as controversy have gotten almost as annoying as the original crybabies.
Bloggers trying to build it up as controversy have gotten almost as annoying as the original crybabies.
I agree with Jim. Its this way because far to many 10s have been givin out.
...and it all started with GTA4.
...and it all started with GTA4.
I was waiting for you to pull pout a fake gun at the end and stuff it in your mouth because it would have been 10/10!!!!
AWESOME rant Jim and I wholeheartedly agree with you! People need to realize that 7 and higher are GOOD scores! Makes you wonder though, do these "people" get 8/10 on their math test and cry when they get home because they failed?
AWESOME rant Jim and I wholeheartedly agree with you! People need to realize that 7 and higher are GOOD scores! Makes you wonder though, do these "people" get 8/10 on their math test and cry when they get home because they failed?
Omg Jim. Please make a video of you just reading hate mail as it is literally written. I would watch it to the end of my days, hahaha.
More like FAT/10, amirite?
Sorry, it's a law of the universe that any Jim post has to have the words "fat" and "bias" within the first 50 comments. Just doin' my part.
Sorry, it's a law of the universe that any Jim post has to have the words "fat" and "bias" within the first 50 comments. Just doin' my part.
I think there should be SSS, the Sessler Scoring System, where all games get a 10 out of 10, but you know what the real review score is by the verbal pause in that phrase, longer pauses equal better games. "This game was so hot, so it gets a ten . . . . out of ten" While something crappy has no pause at all.
@pokota
I don't know about that. Until bloggers start flooding forums starting the mother of all bitchfests after "their" game doesn't reach their expected score of perfect or the haters come in to gloat about how it didn't, I'll rank the "kids" as being far worse(unfortunately there's quite a few grown men and women just as bad these days).
Anyway, maybe a new system is needed. The whole 1-10 score is pretty much ruined at this point. For what that new system may be, I haven't a clue. Maybe something that makes them read the actual fucking review.
So long as reviewers don't go off and repeat the same mistake of handing out easy high scores for everything, removing the low-average scores from ever being accessible again like 1-7 seems to be these days.
I don't know about that. Until bloggers start flooding forums starting the mother of all bitchfests after "their" game doesn't reach their expected score of perfect or the haters come in to gloat about how it didn't, I'll rank the "kids" as being far worse(unfortunately there's quite a few grown men and women just as bad these days).
Anyway, maybe a new system is needed. The whole 1-10 score is pretty much ruined at this point. For what that new system may be, I haven't a clue. Maybe something that makes them read the actual fucking review.
So long as reviewers don't go off and repeat the same mistake of handing out easy high scores for everything, removing the low-average scores from ever being accessible again like 1-7 seems to be these days.
Destructiod lol... I think part of it has to do with our age of DLC in some cases. The price of a game may be over $100 now, and people don't have the disposable income right now. They want to know if a game is worth it. A low score can be skipped, a middle score can be rented, and a high score should be bought, but 8/10 is confusing is taken by itself. That middle ground between pretty good and incredible is a large gap considering the price of a game, the timr it takes to play, etc.
What about moving to a "skip/rent/buy/don't miss" type deal? Using a worded scale instead of numbers.
What about moving to a "skip/rent/buy/don't miss" type deal? Using a worded scale instead of numbers.
I hurt my head watching this. Physically, I mean. The ending made me laugh so hard I fell backwards out of my chair and I nearly landed on the cat.
Also, *clapclapclapclap* great rant Jim. So much insight and good ideas. I vote that we have a crossover of Talking To Women About Videogames and The Jimquisiton into one omniscient Internet program about videogames.
Also, *clapclapclapclap* great rant Jim. So much insight and good ideas. I vote that we have a crossover of Talking To Women About Videogames and The Jimquisiton into one omniscient Internet program about videogames.
A 79 could be viewed as a bad grade in school...essentially a C+. So I could see how some would view a 7.5 (or 75%) as a negative, even though its clearly above average.
I agree that 10s are too frequently judged as the standard instead of the exception and totally understand the frustration a reviewer must go through.
That being said, I also feel that reviewers should allow ample time to review the various aspects of a game...like, maybe longer than 2 hours of multi-player. But hey, we're all under deadlines and things can get rushed out the door before they're ready. Unfortunately, we usually sacrifice quality in order to obtain quantity.
I agree that 10s are too frequently judged as the standard instead of the exception and totally understand the frustration a reviewer must go through.
That being said, I also feel that reviewers should allow ample time to review the various aspects of a game...like, maybe longer than 2 hours of multi-player. But hey, we're all under deadlines and things can get rushed out the door before they're ready. Unfortunately, we usually sacrifice quality in order to obtain quantity.
Totally agree Jim. Another thing is, I think, that some gamers like to use Metacritic to wage wars against each other. I like to call these wars the "See?! SEE?!" Wars. I also think they need to stop. I think your point, Jim, is that we need to make it clear what these numbers mean in the context of the review, and give out 10/10s far less often. If this is your point, I disagree with it. I think scores should be done away with entirely. I think a summary at the end of reviews is a much better alternative. Let the reviews speak for themselves.
I mean, they already do to me. I tend to ignore the scores nowadays, when you have sites like Gametrailers making Skyrim and Zelda out to be not all they're cracked up to be, but calling it nearly perfect with their final score. Once the review is over, and I've heard the criticisms and the praises, what good exactly does a number do? I guess one advantage is it makes an opinion easily digestible, you don't have to do any brain thoughts to work out whether or not a game is good.
But this Jimquistion just proves how eagerly people want to regurgitate these digits back at each other, no matter what the number.
I mean, they already do to me. I tend to ignore the scores nowadays, when you have sites like Gametrailers making Skyrim and Zelda out to be not all they're cracked up to be, but calling it nearly perfect with their final score. Once the review is over, and I've heard the criticisms and the praises, what good exactly does a number do? I guess one advantage is it makes an opinion easily digestible, you don't have to do any brain thoughts to work out whether or not a game is good.
But this Jimquistion just proves how eagerly people want to regurgitate these digits back at each other, no matter what the number.
I agree that some of the bitching about 8/10 scores was really ridiculous this year.
I have to add the caveat that I feel like my extreme bitching about your FFXIII review is not the same thing. It wasn't an 8/10 after all (would have been totally cool with that), but it was half that. So yeah, I don't think they're really the same thing. Hell, even a 6/10 would have been a fairly rough score ... and yours was two points below that. Yeah.
I have to add the caveat that I feel like my extreme bitching about your FFXIII review is not the same thing. It wasn't an 8/10 after all (would have been totally cool with that), but it was half that. So yeah, I don't think they're really the same thing. Hell, even a 6/10 would have been a fairly rough score ... and yours was two points below that. Yeah.
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