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if every game is the same, I want you to give every game a 4.5.
also, I want to frame your drawing of basic stories.
also, I want to frame your drawing of basic stories.
Well done Jim. I know you are doing it to make fun of that personality type, but the persona you use in these videos is kind of obnoxious...I know that is the point.
On the other hand, if you tried to be serious about them and did not have a satirical persona, people would not pay attention as much and take the video less seriously...Now my brain hurts.
On the other hand, if you tried to be serious about them and did not have a satirical persona, people would not pay attention as much and take the video less seriously...Now my brain hurts.
I <3 Sir Winston Q. Prick. Armando and him need to have a debate about something, anything very soon!
I think what really kills immersion in most modern videogames is constant hand holding. I don't pay upwards to $60 or more to be babysat while playing my platform of preference.
I will now read all stupid comments as if they were written by Sir Winston Q. Prick. Utterly hilarious.
Thank you, I'm so tired of hearing people use "linear" as a negative term about video games lately. You can't have urgency to a plot if you're given complete free reign over what you feel like doing and when you do it, especially since games aren't advanced enough for the world to change along with the story all that much in open world games. The majority of games on top ten ever lists (Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy 7, Half Life 2, and many Mario game being the most common I find) are linear, there must be some reason for that.
I completely agree. The only open world game with a decent story is Deadly Premonition. Don't get me wrong, the world that games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls create is amazing, but the actual stories in those games are generally very loose.
I agree 100%, linearity is a good thing for anyone who wants to get to the meaty goodness of a game. And open world games usually have a weak story, Thats the main reason I didnt like fallout 3 all that much, the main story in that game was a joke.
The same ppl who wants every game to be openworld are probably the same idiots who demand every game has tacked on online multiplayer
The same ppl who wants every game to be openworld are probably the same idiots who demand every game has tacked on online multiplayer
Thank you! There's a reason why the beginning, middle, and end format is the most common way to tell a story. It works!
Open world games tend to lose story immersion and cohesion. When I played the Saboteur I did as many of the Freeplay missions/events as I could before doing story missions. I'd clear out Nazi strongholds on my own, but then the story missions would have me going to same exact places, and those places would then be re-swarming with Nazis. It was definitely a jarring experience, and one that goes hand in hand with a lot of open world games.
Open world games tend to lose story immersion and cohesion. When I played the Saboteur I did as many of the Freeplay missions/events as I could before doing story missions. I'd clear out Nazi strongholds on my own, but then the story missions would have me going to same exact places, and those places would then be re-swarming with Nazis. It was definitely a jarring experience, and one that goes hand in hand with a lot of open world games.
I really like a lot of linear games, still don't understand why many people refer to the characteristic as a flaw
You are quite right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with linearity. Was Super Mario Brothers an open world? No, you couldn't even go backwards. Was it still fun as hell? Of course!
Agreed. Linearity in a game is important so a story flows, without it... well there really wouldn't be a story. It is an interactive storyline, you need a path to follow in order to get the full story.
BTW - Sir Winston Q. Prick was awesome!
BTW - Sir Winston Q. Prick was awesome!
I would not say most Final Fantasy games are well paced. I do agree a game should be enjoyed for what it is and not what other people believe it should be.
@ monodi
Some games just make you feel like you walking down a hallway until the end. There is no fun in that.
Anyway,give me back my final fantasy ps2 and earlier game play and ill stop complaining about those games.
Some games just make you feel like you walking down a hallway until the end. There is no fun in that.
Anyway,give me back my final fantasy ps2 and earlier game play and ill stop complaining about those games.
I’m sick complaining about linearity.
When people say “on rails” they should be thinking of rollercoasters instead of trains.
When people say “on rails” they should be thinking of rollercoasters instead of trains.
Show's looking more polished of late, Jim. : ) IDK, for me, I absolutely LOVE a great story in a game. Games like HL2 and Bioshock are perfect examples of a guided experience that still allows the player enough choice to feel in control, but keeps him or her on track with the narrative. To achieve that, some freedom has to be sacrificed to keep up the pace that Jim mentions. Perhaps, not so much hand-holding as Final Fantasy XIII; but enough so that you're guided along at just the right speed without getting horribly lost along the way.
Open world games always seem better as a concept than in practice. I don't know what they need to do, but something has to happen to the mission structure. Red Dead Redemption got so tedious because every mission was "go there, kill those guys," but a linear shooter can find ways to make that kind of basic structure really interesting with pacing, plot, etc.
Maybe it's just a matter of attention to detail? We expect our open-world games to offer dozens of hours of gameplay, surely there's no way around throwing a shitload of filler quests/missions in there.
Maybe it's just a matter of attention to detail? We expect our open-world games to offer dozens of hours of gameplay, surely there's no way around throwing a shitload of filler quests/missions in there.
@Jim
At the risk of sounding like one of those nostalgic old men, whenever I see a Jimquisition, it makes me miss those old podcast days of you, Samit, Brad and Anthony. You ever miss those sessions? Just a bit?
(Solid Jimquisition, by the way - as usual)
At the risk of sounding like one of those nostalgic old men, whenever I see a Jimquisition, it makes me miss those old podcast days of you, Samit, Brad and Anthony. You ever miss those sessions? Just a bit?
(Solid Jimquisition, by the way - as usual)
Okay, so what if we want to play a game, not watch a movie?
Whatever, other people can enjoy their Killzones and Half-lifes, I don't pretend my tastes have to be universal. But this mostly just convinces me that I was right to have no interest in those games or pretty much any modern shooters. If the argument is that the linearity is necessary to have such an immersive story, then I really don't care; I don't need any more story than the average Zelda game, and those are the pinnacle of open world.
Whatever, other people can enjoy their Killzones and Half-lifes, I don't pretend my tastes have to be universal. But this mostly just convinces me that I was right to have no interest in those games or pretty much any modern shooters. If the argument is that the linearity is necessary to have such an immersive story, then I really don't care; I don't need any more story than the average Zelda game, and those are the pinnacle of open world.
And in a way Bioshock is a masterful game because it allows a sense of freedom in its gameplay while presenting a wonderfully presented and crafted linear experience.
"Minecraft destroys all arguments about linearity needed for immersive gameplay."
I never send open world games weren't immersive. In fact I specifically said they were. But I said they can't tell a tightly woven story in the way that a linear story can. Nobody is saying games like Minecraft aren't immersive. Nobody will ever hold Minecraft up as the standard bearer of game narrative.
I never send open world games weren't immersive. In fact I specifically said they were. But I said they can't tell a tightly woven story in the way that a linear story can. Nobody is saying games like Minecraft aren't immersive. Nobody will ever hold Minecraft up as the standard bearer of game narrative.
@Dv8thwonder
Immersive gameplay, definitely, but Minecraft has no story for a reason. A completely open and non-linear game isn't able to tell a decent/coherent story.
Immersive gameplay, definitely, but Minecraft has no story for a reason. A completely open and non-linear game isn't able to tell a decent/coherent story.
@Mirax Exactly because a plot is/was never the point of making a enjoyable videogame in the first place.
I thinks it about time videogames transcend beyond being mere mirrors of other popular entertainment and refine what it needs to be. >
I thinks it about time videogames transcend beyond being mere mirrors of other popular entertainment and refine what it needs to be. >
@Gengario: What's not mentioned here (but should be assumed for any game related discussion) is that it depends on your tastes. If you don't like linear games then it's your right not to play them; but at the same time "linear" shouldn't be used as a universally negative descriptor, even if it is you. Said another way: people are using "linear" to describe a game as bad instead of just saying they don't like that type of game. This should be fixed.
While Jim has a point about most games being linear, it also isn't a yes or no thing. For example, in Half Life 2 (especially Episode 2), you're frequently rewarded for going off the beaten path and solving optional environment puzzles. The "Cache Checker" section in the car was probably my favorite part of Episode 2.
@Dv8thwonder
I wouldn't say it is/was the point, but nowadays it is an important factor in a lot of games.
For example, Bioshock has great gameplay, but arguably, it's not enough to stand on it's own. Without the story, the game simply wouldn't be as good.
Indeed, some games don't need a story, but some do. And the ones who do need a story are not necessarily better or worse than the ones who doesn't.
I wouldn't say it is/was the point, but nowadays it is an important factor in a lot of games.
For example, Bioshock has great gameplay, but arguably, it's not enough to stand on it's own. Without the story, the game simply wouldn't be as good.
Indeed, some games don't need a story, but some do. And the ones who do need a story are not necessarily better or worse than the ones who doesn't.
@Dv8thwonder: you're under some weird impression that they can't be both. I question the need to strip away options that some people obviously like.
Dv8thwonder: You're acting as if anybody said open world games were bad. Nobody attacked them. In fact I said that open-world games can be fantastic. The point isn't that one should be favored over the other, it's that both types of games have equally valid contributions to be made.
This video is aimed at those who think linearity is bad. It's not an attack on those who think open-world games are good.
This video is aimed at those who think linearity is bad. It's not an attack on those who think open-world games are good.
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