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I enjoyed Bioshock 2 as just another chance to stroll through Rapture which was a place I thoroughly enjoyed. It wasn't a great game compared to the first one and I am glad to see that with Bioshock: Infinite they are taking that concept and branching out.
People who want to bitch and moan about using the Bioshock name in the title? That's fine, you can be that guy while I'll be enjoying what will no doubt be an amazing game. Now it's time to dream about what will be included in the special edition.
People who want to bitch and moan about using the Bioshock name in the title? That's fine, you can be that guy while I'll be enjoying what will no doubt be an amazing game. Now it's time to dream about what will be included in the special edition.
I agree with what you said about the bioshock not having to take place in the sea, and that the concept is genetic modification in society. But on the other hand, unless they have an incredibly tight plot line it just seems far too far fetched and unrealistic for me. I know there is supposed to be a suspension of disbelief, especially when playing videogames, but the concept is just way too out there from what has been shown so far. One of the greatest parts of rapture as a concept was that despite the technology at the time it WAS somewhat believable; that people could find refuge in this hidden underwater civilization that almost no one knew about. To say that there was a civilization before rapture that was in the sky and knew about genetic modification before rapture seems odd in the least.
I agree with this entire video. I had a similar reaction to the BioShock Infinite trailer. THIS feels more like BioShock 2 to me than the actual BioShock 2 ever did. New city, new characters, new visual style, new "Big Daddy" type enemies. Looks really cool to me.
I completely agree. Did anyone complain when suddenly Mario left one world in Mario Galaxy and started exploring small planets in space? No. The Gameplay elements were there, but it was a totally different location and setting. While that's not a true example and the Final Fantasy analogy works better, I think this game is just fine.
If Bioshock 3 went back to the sea I'd be very very angry. I love that this is something new, and will have the same elements about propaganda and human manipulation both in mind and body. I love the look of it as well. I like that this is an American city and that it's in the sky. I think it's a brilliant idea.
I want more games that have this look as well. More color needs to be in gaming in general.
If Bioshock 3 went back to the sea I'd be very very angry. I love that this is something new, and will have the same elements about propaganda and human manipulation both in mind and body. I love the look of it as well. I like that this is an American city and that it's in the sky. I think it's a brilliant idea.
I want more games that have this look as well. More color needs to be in gaming in general.
This is my first Jimquisition I've been watching and I had no idea you had a british accent!
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Jim, good video, I agree with you completelly, I just think that this topic is a bit weak. I have really enjoyed your other videos a lot, and always found them to have great topics.
I swear I'm the only person who thinks Bioshock 2 had a more coherent and believable story. The first one left me unable to suspend disbelief about how things had gotten so bad in Rapture. The only "normal" people were always on the other side of glass and typically doing some kind of crazy experiment.
I enjoyed them both however and will most likely play the third.
I enjoyed them both however and will most likely play the third.
I agree completely. I had this same discussion with my friend last night.
I personally consider BioShock 2 to be a travesty of a game. Yes, the gameplay mechanics may be fun, but they just aren't good enough to hold up the game with the lack of everything else. Bioshock 2 is missing the story and atmosphere that made the first game so compelling, and I'd go as far as saying that Bioshock 2 should be given the title of "most disappointing game" of this generation... at least a top 3 mention.
The original Bioshock is a fantastic game... in almost every aspect. In those key moments where it was losing me, the atmosphere would immediately pull me back in a second later.
I have high hopes for Infinite. I think it will be the game we should still be waiting for with Bioshock 2. I can only hope, as 2 killed my enjoyment in the series.
I personally consider BioShock 2 to be a travesty of a game. Yes, the gameplay mechanics may be fun, but they just aren't good enough to hold up the game with the lack of everything else. Bioshock 2 is missing the story and atmosphere that made the first game so compelling, and I'd go as far as saying that Bioshock 2 should be given the title of "most disappointing game" of this generation... at least a top 3 mention.
The original Bioshock is a fantastic game... in almost every aspect. In those key moments where it was losing me, the atmosphere would immediately pull me back in a second later.
I have high hopes for Infinite. I think it will be the game we should still be waiting for with Bioshock 2. I can only hope, as 2 killed my enjoyment in the series.
Infinite trailer just makes me want to go and purchase Bioshock 1 and 2 in a single order, I have played the Demo for Bioshock 1 and liked a lot, but is one of those games that just gets pushed back in your purchase list because some other newer games came out, this is the perfect excuse to put them back at the top of my list, Sorry Ninja Gaiden, you are going down in the list ...again.
While the game is definitely brighter, I still think that the vast majority of it will take place indoors where the lighting can be whatever they want. It's still a city, made of buildings. It's not like every moment of Bioshock had you swimming in water. Also, who's to say that it won't ever be night outside?
Never even considered getting Bioshock 2. Was pretty happy with the complete experience from the original. But this one looks wonderfully different. And I like exploring similar themes in different settings.
I like the FF argument you give, and it's a great point.
I like the FF argument you give, and it's a great point.
I looks forward to never having to go back to Rapture again. It was enough in BioShock 1, and it was MORE than enough in BioShock 2.
The oppressive atmosphere just kills the mood for me anymore. I enjoyed it during the time, but I got so sick of the claustrophobic feel bu the end.
The bright colors and open spaces of Infinite seems like exactly what the series needs.
The oppressive atmosphere just kills the mood for me anymore. I enjoyed it during the time, but I got so sick of the claustrophobic feel bu the end.
The bright colors and open spaces of Infinite seems like exactly what the series needs.
I do think it's kind of a shitty title though. If we're using the System Shock argument, then why wasn't Bioshock called System Shock Continuum or something?
The carryover word is "Shock." I've heard some people saying it should have been AeroShock, or something else similar and I have to agree. It's a pretty small point to be upset about though.
The carryover word is "Shock." I've heard some people saying it should have been AeroShock, or something else similar and I have to agree. It's a pretty small point to be upset about though.
Enough with the excuses. We aren't watching the videos for the amazing cinematography and high class sound design.
I agree with you, but Bioshock Infinite is still a bad name, this should of been Bioshock 2. The subtitle makes it sound like a spin off or an expansion pack when it's going to be better than the "real" sequel.
It's almost a shame it can't do the Predators thing and just run with Bioshocks (ignoring Bioshock 2, just like Predator 2 got ignored).
Looking forward to it regardless.
It's almost a shame it can't do the Predators thing and just run with Bioshocks (ignoring Bioshock 2, just like Predator 2 got ignored).
Looking forward to it regardless.
Seriously, people are really going to claim that an underwater steampunk fucking utopia built in the 20's is any more believable than a similar steampunk utopia (or dystopia) built from zeppelins and hot air balloons. What exactly is less believable here?
Bioshock in the title is fine, but I'm just not a fan of the "infinite". It sounds a little uninspired. (Not that "3" would be much better.)
It would be like meeting a lovely lady in a bar, only to find out her parents named her after a fruit. I'd still look forward to knocking boots with her though. :)
It would be like meeting a lovely lady in a bar, only to find out her parents named her after a fruit. I'd still look forward to knocking boots with her though. :)
I actually didn't enjoy how Rapture felt so large and open and claustrophobic at the same time. It's one of the reasons I never finished the first game. I'm hoping that this will be an entirely different experience with a similar premise because I really liked the idea of Bioshock, but as a game it wasn't for me.
I HATE guys in charge of the honking on trains. I used to live in a college town in Eastern Washington where the train would come through and literally honk from the moment it entered the town to the moment it left.
Jim's on the money about this being the true sequel. I really like this new concept and am totally more psyched from one 2 minute preview than anything that was shown or said about the actual sequel which felt more like an expanded epilogue.
I don't get why Bioshock has to be synonymous with water..., the underwater setting added to a real level of claustrophobia and set an amazing atmosphere but so did the ship of Dead Space. Being stranded on a city in the sky can work just as well. I think all of these scenarios work because they face you with the idea that even if you kill the enemies and escape, where you do go from there if the environment itself is lethal?
I don't get why Bioshock has to be synonymous with water..., the underwater setting added to a real level of claustrophobia and set an amazing atmosphere but so did the ship of Dead Space. Being stranded on a city in the sky can work just as well. I think all of these scenarios work because they face you with the idea that even if you kill the enemies and escape, where you do go from there if the environment itself is lethal?
I have to say that I fully agree and this video made me more open to Infinite. I went from "skeptical but interested" to "completely excited for this game". Bioshock 2 did do damage to the franchise because it did raise that expectation that that Bioshock will always be set in Rapture. That's what I expected in a sequel/prequel and became skeptical when I found out that it wasn't in Rapture. Looking at the Bioshock series in a similar way to the Final Fantasy series wipes away any skepticism. I'm glad you posted this video Jim.
People who think it should be set in Rapture are ridiculous. One of the most cited reasons for loving the original BioShock, especially from people who don't normally go for first-person shooters, is the feeling of exploring an alien new world. That obviously couldn't be done with BioShock 2 set in Rapture, so for another BioShock game that captures that same feeling, they clearly had to go to another location.
It's like arguing Half Life 2 should've taken place in Black Mesa. I love new settings and I love to have that diversity within a franchise.
I completely agree, Jim Sterling should be converted into a train before the next video. That way he will be a train, which are cool and Link rides in one and he is cool because he sometimes wears a blue tunic.
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Now now son, the test results came back positive. That's "Daddy" from now on boy. Get a haircut.
Now now son, the test results came back positive. That's "Daddy" from now on boy. Get a haircut.
Would have to agree, I sorta steered clear of bioshock 2 because it sorta looked like too much of the same thing. Then the reviews sorta tanked the whole story line (which would have been most of the game for me) I can say I'm actually looking forward to infinite as a sequel to the bioshock 1 that I loved. (side note they probably just should have marketed bioshock 2 as an expansion pack or something if at all)
I agree with you Jim. Water or no water Bioshock is Bioshock. It comes down to the gameplay, not the look and feel.
Bioshock 2 was a fantastic game. Gameplay-wise, at least. It did almost everything better than the first. The story wasn't as good to me, but it was a neat idea at least. And I don't think it took away any of the magic of the first game.
Bioshock 2 is a great game. I don't get the talk of "this is what Bioshock 2 should have been". Yes, it wasn't a new setting. Yes the story wasn't as shocking. But, it had better gameplay and a much better ending. Besides, who didn't want to explore more of Rapture?
In the end, Bioshock 1 is better, but 2 is nothing to sneeze at.
In the end, Bioshock 1 is better, but 2 is nothing to sneeze at.
Friday the 13th was messing you up, man. Decent rant, though, all the same. I agree on all points, however I might be a little more harsh on Bioshock 2's lack of meaningful story. I will say that the one thing I kept thinking about during your rant was the comments that were upset that it wasn't a new IP. I'm curious about your thoughts on that. How do you define an IP and would you consider this to be a new one?
I agree 100% Jim. Unnecessary sequels like Bioshock 2 water down a franchise. It's like if someone else other than JK Rowling made another Harry Potter book. It might be good, but do we really need to hear more about this? Wasn't the story that was intended to be told already told? Ken and Irrational had an idea with Bioshock, and 2K in their infinite wisdom, instead of being patient for his next masterpiece, decided they wanted to strike while the iron was hot, and rush out another story in Rapture. It was good, but we didn't really need it. And I think we would have avoided all this nonsense about Bioshock Infinite not really being a true sequel because it's not set under water, had 2K not rushed out a sequel before the series creator.
Jim, I will give you 10 pennies to help you buy a new camera. I agree, with you it shouldn't be set in Rapture again, this will just be too repetitive, just give the game some plasmids and it's Bioshock! It will be interesting to see this brighter/daylight setting and how it will affect the game if it's scary or not.
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after they make BioShock Infinite(which looks cool), what if they made there next BioShock game set in a 80's themed underground city?
after they make BioShock Infinite(which looks cool), what if they made there next BioShock game set in a 80's themed underground city?
I think BioShock 2 is a far better game than anyone gives it credit for. I found Lamb to be an excellent antagonist. Maybe not better than Ryan, but those are some big ass shoes to fill. I felt that BioShock 2 had a far superior ending compared to the disappointing ending in BioShock (taking all endings into account). I also felt that the combat was much better in BioShock 2.
As an entire new experience - yeah, sure, maybe it doesn't quite match up to BioShock when it released - but I feel that they (2K Marin and other parties involved) succeeded at what what they set out to do.
Jordan Thomas should be proud of what they did with BioShock 2. BioShock didn't need a sequel, but I'm damn happy it got one in the form of BioShock 2.
Anyways, Can't wait for Infinite.
As an entire new experience - yeah, sure, maybe it doesn't quite match up to BioShock when it released - but I feel that they (2K Marin and other parties involved) succeeded at what what they set out to do.
Jordan Thomas should be proud of what they did with BioShock 2. BioShock didn't need a sequel, but I'm damn happy it got one in the form of BioShock 2.
Anyways, Can't wait for Infinite.
Maybe you should put a cushion of some sort on the floor so that when you drop the mic it'll soften the impact thus avoiding another broken socket.
VictoriousB13: I actually do cushion it, but once or twice it's missed the mark and hit the floor. I also didn't leave much slack between the microphone and the camera, which is what caused it to fuck the socket up, I think.
I agree. Personally I didn't like Bioshock 2 half as much as I liked the first one. Most of the game was a glorified escort mission.
Also, Jim, when you move to your new are you going to be doing these in your fortress or solitude where there won't be any trains?
Also, Jim, when you move to your new are you going to be doing these in your fortress or solitude where there won't be any trains?
from the trailer the parallels between Infinite and Bioshock 1/2 are too samey -the big robot, the design, the society aspect, i know it will be a different game but i also know what to expect. FF games stories are quite diverse so each game is totally different from the last.
Nice vid Jim. Yeah, using the argument that "Bioshock HAS to take place in the sea" deserves a WTF.
BTW, what program do you use to edit your videos? I've always looked forward to insert a video like you did, but the program I currently use (Cyberlink Power Director) doesn't let me do that :(
Anyway, good video, keep it up! :)
BTW, what program do you use to edit your videos? I've always looked forward to insert a video like you did, but the program I currently use (Cyberlink Power Director) doesn't let me do that :(
Anyway, good video, keep it up! :)
I completely agree about the sequel thing. If it's thematically similar, with similar narrative ideas and gameplay, then it doesn't need to be set in the same place. And while I certainly agree that it looks like a very promising game, I just can't get on board with people saying that it's the sequel Bioshock 2 should have been. I'm sorry, but Bioshock 2 to me is probably the best game of the year, maybe the best of this generation.
I thought the father/daughter bond was incredibly emotionally satisfying, and the experimentation available with the plasmids and weapons was brilliant. I'm on my third play through now, and i'm still learning different ways to play. Gameplay wise, 2 is everything I wished 1 could have been, and on top of that, gave me another chance to explore an amazing game world. I'm completely on board with Infinite, but I don't think people should downplay what 2K Marin did with the franchise.
I thought the father/daughter bond was incredibly emotionally satisfying, and the experimentation available with the plasmids and weapons was brilliant. I'm on my third play through now, and i'm still learning different ways to play. Gameplay wise, 2 is everything I wished 1 could have been, and on top of that, gave me another chance to explore an amazing game world. I'm completely on board with Infinite, but I don't think people should downplay what 2K Marin did with the franchise.
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