Seriously, it needs to stop. You can't even visit sites like Digg anymore without misleading headlines praising the Wii as the second coming of Jesus while Nintendo fanbots submit grossly innacurate stories about the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. I'm sick and tired of seeing this crap everywhere I go. No matter what the site, even this one, I am inundated with Nintendo fanboy falsehoods and excuses.
Long gone are the days of factual and intellectual debate about video games (that's assuming those days actually ever existed). Now, all we get are heavily biased views based on assumptions and personal Nintendo porn love. Where will this get us as far as innovation and advancement? Nowhere, that's where. Accepting the status quo (i.e. Mario Kart 28 and Zelda 59), will only result in watered-down repetition.
It's one thing to be a fan and stay in your corner with your other buddies and commense with the fanboy circle jerk, but to spread your vile seed across every site on the Web is crossing the line. Most of us are pretty open-minded and there's a rumbling of non-fanboys who are bout to bitch slap the next person to Digg something like "OMG Nintendo Wii best console eva!" stories 24/7.
So, what are we to do? How can we buck this trend or is hoping it will stop a useless dream? Is anyone else as sick of this crap as I am? Someone, please, clean up my Internet.
And to make this perfectly clear, I am not against Nintendo news, I am against fanboy tactics and falsehoods being spread across the Web. I would gladly replace this Nintendo fan rant with Xbox 360 or PS3 fanboys, but at the moment, Nintendo fans are overpopulating the place.
Contest:
6:12 PM on 11.21.2006
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Summa you are my personal hero!
And RosalindaVeue: Nobody said NOTHING about the PS3 or other console, we are speaking about PURE fanboyism.
Speaking of which, I love Zelda for the Wii, but I hate one thing, why in the world most of the dialog isnt voiced? dont get me the is not a Next Generation Thing. thats Bull, Kotor had voices in every TEXT and that was for xbox, not some shinny new console.
There, I got that off my chest. I hope fanboys wont ruin the moment.
Let's see some sources sited.
And if any of the websites lead to a clearly Nintendo driven fansite then no duh there's going to be fanboy rants.
I'm not saying these "articles" don't exist, but I'd love to see an instance of it for us to see.
and Summa, I never really thought Dtoid shows bias either way, to be honest. It's why I come here all the time
Thanks for standing up to these guys Summa. Nintendoism is infecting every social site on the internet. They have some sort of rabid fundamentalism that is equaled only in the Middle East.
I bought a Wii and like it. But its not the bloody second coming of Muhammad. Its a pretty damn mediocre console, with disappointing graphics and (at the moment) awkward controls. If crappy games like Red Steel (yeah, i bought, played, and returned it) get demented praise from psychopathic zealots, then we're looking at a serious (though fascinating) socialogical disorder.
Lets not forget that the utter hype and fanboy ranting that was the PS2 generation.
The post read poorly to me, mostly because it seemed like the subject of your ire kept shifting. What is the real issue here? (I'm genuinely confused.)
* Are there more positive posts about the Wii than you would prefer to see?
* Are the posts being listed a disproportionate sample of the posts being made across the Internet today? (i.e. more happy Wii posts on Digg than there are happy Wii posts in general)
* Are the posts being listed an inferior quality to positive posts made for other consoles (X360 and PS3 in particular)? How do you define "inferior"? (Hopefully, you treat a poorly-thought-out article for another console the same as a bad Wii post.)
* Is your intention to avoid positive Wii posts, in the interest of showing other news? Is this based simply on the amount of positive Wii news already posted here?
I'm with you, insofar that any effort to correct inaccurate information should be applauded, whether that misinformation comes from a digg post, or from a company CEO. And, I do suspect that the Wii frenzy's just starting to simmer.
This post, though, seemed to jump from A to B to C and so on (I can't find any news, the Wii posts are growing more and more useless, all this nonsense is coming from one group of people, their favorite arguments are all wrong) You ultimately come to one broad conclusion that would seemingly solve all points (we need to eliminate Nintendo fanboys) when a simpler solution would do (better ability to filter meaningful content on Digg).
A different wording of your frustrations might be far less likely to elicit a knee-jerk response from exactly the people whose opinions you're trying to ignore.
Just some thoughts.
Just sit back, let the fires die back down, and just move on. No need to add fuel to the fire.
The intarweb has never EVER been a haven for intellectual debate. Sometimes, by some kind of freak alignment of the planets, some occurs, but it's normally derailed by some idiot troll pretty shortly afterwards. As for anything being factual... HAHAHAHAHAHA. No.
What we're seeing here is the culmination of the sole focus of the last six months of these people's lives. I know when I first heard about the wii, I was in the mind of "holeeeeee shit, I'm getting me one of them". Seeing the widespread regard the console is actually recieving in the real world was simply too much for these poor, vitamin-e deprived souls. After languishing for the past year or two in the dreggy moribundity of the gamecube since it lost decent support, this is finally their chance to stand up and once again say "STFU NUBS NINTENDO PWNS!!1!" This is their hour, but it it will be brief, and it will pass. Just consider it like a shitstorm of a rainshower, just before you leave work.
I have to admit though, I am somewhat more sympathetic. I've been a nintendo loyalist(but not exclusivist) since the NES days of yore. I'm not saying I support the immature assclownery of these idiot fanboys. I'm saying, grin and bear it. We've got a cool new console that looks like it may get good support. Decent payoff in my books.
The inter-console arguments have never really been a breeding ground for intellectual discussion. I'm thinking specifically of my generation's console wars: "Sega does what Nintendon't". "Blast Processing lets Sonic move faster than Mario."
Nintendo's had its moments as well (young fanboy LeeMon believed most anything Nintendo Power said until about 1995). The last bits I swallowed whole and regurgitated to my friends was Nintendo's assurance that the access speeds of Project Reality (N64) were 1,000,000 times faster than a CD-ROM... "That's literally the difference between a snail and the space shuttle," as well as the n64's "Porsche-like contours." The N64 concept screenshots were trippy CGI, a mixture of Tron and Toy Story... I still remember them when I think of Sony's FFVIII preview for the PS2, as well as the Killzone mockup. (Last week's choice quote that some parts of Resistance "will look better than the movie" was very carefully/well-phrased.)
The likely danger here is twofold: Nintendo's been an also-ran since the Super Nintendo's swan song; in addition, their camp is swelling dramatically with new gamers and formerly retired gamers. I can easily think of sterotypical users in each camp... the 30-year old parent who played Wind Waker (that is, when the kid was asleep and Pokemon Colliseum could be coaxed out of the drive); the 15-year-old who's never lived in a world where Playstation WASN'T the dominant brand (he thinks of PS the way I remember Nintendo, or someone older than me remembers Atari), the 21-year-old college kid who left "kiddie" games in his childhood, but picked up Halo and Splinter Cell in his college dorm...
They're stereotypes, make no mistake, and they're NOT intended to be the speaking voice of their system. But each has an opinion, and it's based on who they are as much as anything. They're bound to disagree, they're bound to take others' remarks poorly, and they're bound to be offended and retaliate. That's just the Internet, unfortunately.
The question is, will the coming months see this get worse, or better?
What am I trying to say? There's gonna be ninty fanboys by the bazillions come 2007, so get used to the drowning. I will be by your side with the snorkel.
Of course it'll get better. It's only been 4 days.
This post by Summa is really a response to the verbal rapage he was handed the other day. Whether it was deserved or not is obviously up for debate. I'd expect any response from him to be a little emotional. I'd be ticked off too.
What disappoints me is that people need to study a term I mentioned in that thread called "ad hominem." Go look it up on Wikipedia. It's the logical fallacy of attacking a person's character rather than his argument. Really, a person's maturity in intellectual debate stems from his ability to realize that in an argument it's not about people but conflicting ideas. By these standards, fanboys are pretty illogical.
Nothing wrong with loving a particular gaming company (I secretly long for Nintendo to make a comeback...) but it is, after all, just like any other company that wants to make profit.
After about a 8 hour grind of Wii Sports and Rayman, me and my friends decided it was time to play some Resistance(3 of us split the cost of the PS3 till I could pay em back). Without even getting it hooked up to the T.V.(public college hall) a group of Ninten-tards came up to us apperntly trying to make fun of us for buying a PS3.
Them:"Go enjoy World War 2 game number 78"
Us: "Uhh we will thanks"
Them: "Just go sell that crap on ebay and go get a Wii"
Us:*pulls 2 Wiis out of our back packs and just stare at them"
They just sorta look stunned and walk away. Apperntly they didn't buy a Wii and are just those losers who complained about Gamespots review before they even touched the game.
Still though, after seeing the Sony fanboys drown message boards in comments like "SONY INVENTED TEH ANALOG STICK!!11111" and "The PS2 has better graphics than the Gamecube!!" or better yet "The Playstation's CD gives it better graphics than the N64!!!!!", I think that you can forgive a bit of fanboyish excitement once in a while.
The days of factual and intellectual debate about video games never existed honestly. In the early 90's it was Nintendo vs. Sega, in the late 90's Nintendo vs. Sony, in the early 00's Sony vs. MS vs. Nintendo. Most people STFUAJPG, others attach themselves to a specific system in the same way sports fans attach themselves to a team or a particular athlete. The rabid, hardcore fanboys also tend to be the loudest and most obnoxious.
Right now Nintendo and to a *slightly* lesser degree XBox fanboys have the most to crow about, so they're the ones we're hearing. Sony fanboys have dealt with a lot of setbacks lately (PSP sales less than expected, failure of UMD, the DRM issue, and the PS3's astronomical price among others), so they're not as vocal. Just a few years ago Sony & XBox fans were the ones who wouldn't shut the hell up. This is just a cycle, and it'll change in time.
This is just a crest in a sine wave.
Normally, most fanboys have roughly the same annoying volume.
But right now the PS3 fanboys are nearly silent, having swallowed months of bad news. The 360 fanboys are quietly watching the launches of the PS3 and Wii hoping to see as many hardware failures as they had to endure with the 360. The Wii fanboys are blowing loads all over themselves because the Wii is the media darling rather than the red headed step child the N64 and Cube ended up being.
As an avid gamer for years and years, I will say in my opinion the Nintendo fanboys are no better or worse than any other. It all depends on whats happening to fuel them. Right now the Wii fanboys are fully fueled and ready to rock.
2 E3s ago when Sony debuted the PS3, it was just the same between xbox and PS3. The PS3/xbox bitches were so vocal about whose console was the most powerful, which processor was better, which memory architecture was better for rendering graphics, etc. It was sickening. Even though, at the time the Revolution fanboys were pretty quiet because they didn't know the specs of the machine and couldn't throw down because of that. I totally feel like it was just as bad back then as it is now. It's just that the weight of the media is in the Wii's favor right now.
I think people tend to get the most bothered by fans of the systems they like the least. For example, I am a big Nintendo supporter (not exclusively) but I have some personal issues with MS and Sony so when I hear Sony fanboys I get extra annoyed. Much moreso than by Ninty fanboys. Likewise, Summa you are probably more annoyed by Nintendo fanboys because you have a fondness for PS. I'm not saying you're a biased douche bag like Vlad Cole, I'm just saying we all have preferences and that can color our perceptions. Yes, the Nintendo fanboys are out in force, but if you didn't notice the same thing from Sony peeps a year or so ago, then you had your eyes shut.
Fanboys have always been bad and if you can't handle them, you may be in the wrong line of work.
Listen to me carefully. I believe in you. I always have. That's why I'm here. Destiny dressed you this morning my friend, and now fanboys are trying to pull off your pants. If you give up, if you give in, you're gonna end up naked with fanboys just standing there laughing at your dangling unmentionables.
This was in Adelaide Australia... damn .. oh why oh why T_T I dont want to be posted as a fanboy... god damnit
I can't wait till Summa unveils his next load of opinionated drivel on us all! Here's to the future!
"Sitting at the back of the Bus because
I'm a discriminated gamer." - My Experience
with the Wii Community as a Gamecube Gamer.
Written by: sprocketsprout@yahoo.com
Hello.
I'm a Gamecube gamer (there is one. I exist.)
and I'm not here to bash anyone or bash any Wii gamers.
In fact, I'm a victim of Wii fanboyism comment/forum attacks through Twilight Princess for Gamecube reviews. I'm just sick as a gamer to be treated like a second-class citizen just because the version of Twilight Princess I have is for a "dead console".
I do feel like giving up on video games after Gamecube and not even considering buying another console. I may just buy retro gaming consoles/computer. Heck yes, I'm keeping my Gamecube, unlike many Wii owners after Nov. 19th. I don't think Wii fanboys know about a thing called "preserving gaming consoles" - as long as its in Virtual Console form, they think it is the "physical real thing". Purchasing an NES via ebay is a curse to many Wii fanboys. To them, its an old piece of crap! But Super Mario Bros. for $5 is reasonable for them via Virtual Console.
Yes, I disliked Microsoft, Sony, Sega, etc.
But it wore off as time passed since I immersed myself in games like Zelda Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, etc, I eventually gave up on forums and blogging about games.
Plus, I have a real-life, jobs, family, sleeping, watching Antiques Roadshow, geezer stuff. I grew out of my own turmoil and Nintendo fanboyism. Looks like the fanboy bit me on the behind instead. There is a saying. Be careful what you wish for! This time its the other way around.
This is my first post and probably my last. I only signed up because I wanted to let everyone know that as a Gamecube gamer during the Wii Era (which is happening now) is really tough for me. When I "google" about Gamecube, it is always about the Wii dissing Gamecube and games like Super Paper Mario was a Wii game to begin with, Twilight Princess for Wii should just been moved to GCN, this GCN controller sucks vs. Wiimote, Swinging your arms is better than moving the C-Stick, and ... more bad comments on Gamecube.
The Nintendo during the N64 and GCN heydays were nicer?
I guess its human nature to act nice when your struggling.
But now, with the Wii, its the media darling.
Media darling = Hype = Arrogance.
Yes, I can afford to buy a Wii, no problem in that, but I'm not buying a Wii because I feel like the Wii Community is treating the old Nintendo consoles especially GCN and the "real" N64 (not VC) as the cinderella of Nintendo consoles. Yes, let's not buy old Nintendo consoles anymore from ebay! Now, that upsets me because that really destroys the essence of retrogaming which is playing with the real "NES", SNES, N64. The turn-off was that VC games cannot be moved to another Wii Console. Let's say in the future if you want a Black Wii, do you have the re-download the game again? Anyway, I'm past the technical discomforts of the Wii, but what really upsets me is the Wii community in general.
But I really don't care anymore.
I guess what matters is, I still belong in the video game world, but this time, I don't need to listen to any other gamer, whether Wii or not. To enjoy your favorite games, whether on a PSP, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Atari Lynx, Commodore 64, NES, Playstation, etc - My answer is just "have fun"
and ignore the Fanboys.
I see this now all the time, in Digg, Forums, N-Sider Forums,
even the Animal Crossing Community Forums (which I used to be a part of, until it was taken over by Wii fanboys)
Wii fanboys always diss Gamecube. If they do, then Nintendo should never put a GCN slot anyway on the Wii.
I do feel that Microsoft and Sony are somewhat being attacked by Wii Fanboys because the Wii is so different
and I just wish that the video game industry should just stop relying on market share, 1st place this, distant 3rd place that. I've realized that, its all just gaming consoles. Even my Gamecube, to me, as I enjoy it, its just a gaming console.
Yes, the Gamecube is "dead" and Twilight Princess was the last swan song game for that console, but please don't diss the Gamecube because it failed in the past. Let's treat all of our last gen/retro consoles with respect.