gopher, Blu-Ray is actually the inferior format, but that's because of software related issues.

@Crunshii

heres some info...

1. yes on a single sided BD single layer and dual layer sizes are 25-50, BUT on HD-DVD they are 15-30, so 10GBs is a horrible misunderstanding.

2. Unlike BD, HD-DVD is region free so theres n fucking hassle with regions. If this isnt piracy support then i dont know what is.

3. HD-DVD is cheaper. In the near future you could buy tons of HD-DVDs and an HD-DVD burner and an HD-DVD player for about half the price it would be to get that same setup for BD. It's more pirate and user friendly as far as cost goes.

Honestly, until I get an expensive TV that will really make use of these formats, I could really care less.

It's like Beta vs. VHS, isn't it? I'll wait for the dust to settle before I start caring.

Ouch!!!that has to hurt!!!

AgentMoo, I have to disagree with you. Both supply high-def movies, but Blu-Ray doesn't have the ability to provide in-movie features, like picture-in-picture director commentaries or the ability to change things in the movie without even pausing. Blu-Ray is like DVD with high def quality picture and sound. HD-DVD has that, but has an upgraded feature set.

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine to hear people call Blu-Ray and HD-DVD the same thing. You wouldn't call XBLA and the PSN the same thing, would you?

i forgot to mention HD-DVDs ability to play on BOTH DVD and HD-DVD players... a feature unknown to BD. AND that HD-DVD can have up to 60GB on a doble sided disc (which is more space than most would ever need) so its not as small as most think.(but what does it all matter about space anyways? Ritek let loose at CES 07 that they found a process that will increase all high-def formats space by 10 times. That should make any arguments over size unreasonable)

and to clear up more, Blockbuster carrys HD-DVD in their stores and Online. Always has and Always will.

Transformers the movie sucked dick, I could give a shit was format it ships on.

PWNT

@ buckf1tches

It's all about the monies. Spiderman 3 broke box office records.

and 6.8 is a positive score. just not OMG FABULAS!!!

Well, the fact that no games are mentioned in this thread proves to me the inherint problem of trying to force an interactive medium into a multimedia entertainment solution - the games industry is not a multimedia industry - any similarities to non interactive media are superficial, the interactive medium is fundamentally different to all other digital media.

I really think that trying to take the games industry down the multimedia route was/is a flawed idea, it won't ever work, I'm so confident about that, I'm willing to have that prediction thrown back at me in 5-10 years time when the dust starts tp settle and we will start to see what the future of gaming really is.

Ah, I believe you guys, I'm just at work and can't play around with it. Honestly I never ever gave a shit about extras :\.

You know Microsoft ponied up for this just like they did GTA dlc. Money talks-people(companies) do whatever you want-even kill...

What studios are you guys putting in each corner? Before today Universal was HD-DVD's sole exclusive studio, with all the rest either supporting Blu-ray exclusively (Disney, Fox) or supporting both. Paramount and Dreamworks go to HD-DVD and all of a sudden HD-DVD has 12 supporting studios and Blu-ray only has 8. Something's screwy in your math.

I'd hate to break it to the HD-DVD proponents who think this is good news but all this does is prolong a format war that was on its way to being over. You may not have liked Blu-ray for whatever fanboy-ish reason but at least when it won you'd have one format. Now HD-DVD is going to stick around for even longer, continue to confuse customers, and still lose in the long run. In the meantime, acceptance of both formats will be slowed and if you want access to any given film you'll need to have an HD-DVD AND Blu-ray player until one format or the other concedes. The industry NEEDS a standard format. At this point I wouldn't even care if it was HD-DVD even though BR is the superior format. Just pick a format and stick with it. Retailers were already trying to facilitate this by moving away from stocking HD-DVD's.

This is a sad day for film fans, regardless of your favored format. Everyone loses.

@ BuckF1tches

I never meant to insinuate you were full of shit. I just don't know. I've never been one to be that into extras anyway, I think I've looked at maybe three or four movies extras since DVD came out.

HD-DVD does sound like the better format, like I said I only have an HD player because of the PS3.

Spiderman 4 exclusive to Blu-ray confirmed.

@buckf1tches

"Also, HD-DVD will let you legally rip a copy of the movie to your pc hard drive if you have Windows Vista. Blu-Ray will not.

Also, if size is your concern, there are 51GB HD-DVDs out there. See for yourself.

Not one of you could convince me that Blu-Ray is a superior format. There is nothing superior about it (other than studio backing, which is based on user preference)."

There are 200GB BluRays out there too...


Yeah, that Vista ripping sure helps me out.

I just want the fucking "war" over with. I have movies to buy and I'm not investing in two technologies. They should release on both formats, like the studios did with Divx and see which way the market sways. Obviously software sales have moved more toward BluRay already, but for fucks sakes, let us decided.

Fucking Army of Darkness is on HD DVD only, but Evil Dead 2 will be on BluRay only. What kind of fucked up logic allowed this to happen?

WHAT KIND OF GOD ARE YOU, GOD!?!?!

That's like releasing half of Empire Strikes back on one format, and the other half on the other.

The studios are a bunch of money hungry whores. HD DVD people threw more cash as Paramount to keep the format in their court. Expect BR to do the same this next week. They already have with Fox and MGM.

Now I'm really fucking confused. I got the number for how many studios were available on each format from Gizmodo, but now it looks like the numbers have been changed.

Okay, this is what I'm going with for the post (in terms of numbers):



It's from Gizmodo

ohhohohohoho I found out the reason why guys lol.

Purely basic business of course, Is there a movie studio that competes against Paramount and Dreamworks? Well of course there is!

SONY PICTURES http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/index.html

Welll Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!! no fucking wonder Paramount went the other format, they dont want to help their competitor business wise, now it all makes sense.

And in all honesty: SuperBad > Transformers

@Sceren, oh I'm not mad or bitter, but, like I said earlier, it's a pet peeve to hear people prefer Blu-Ray without really knowing.

Like comparing XBL to PSN, both of them allow you to play games online, but there are minor features that really separate the two in terms of experience. Fanboys will argue just because they are fanboys, but informed consumers would never dream of arguing that PSN is currently better than XBL. To me, hearing people argue for Blu-Ray is like hearing someone argue for PSN. The only reason most people prefer it is because they have it in the PS3 and don't need to buy anything extra.


@Crunshii,

"but can HD-DVD come the Transformer movie along with the game? nope only on BD, well not now lol, but you get the picture. Look @ Strangehold"

I don't see how this makes it a better movie experience. You've shown how it helps your experience as a PS3 owner, assuming you want to pay the extra money for the game with the movie, but this means nothing to the person who just wants to have a good Transformers or Stranglehold movie experience.


Buck so what you can do some inner movie things now with HD-DVD, future software updates will allow Bd to do the same and even better and more stuff.

This helps prove my point of why HD-DVD is a better experience. Since Blu-Ray, as a format, does not require ethernet ports on Blu-Ray players, most people who bought standalone Blu-Ray players will not be able to upgrade their software. BTW, all HD-DVD players have an ethernet port. It's required because they want to keep upgrading, too. Yes, I know your PS3 has an ethernet port and can update it, but that's because you have a good player, which has nothing to do with the format.


About the cheap crap, its cheaper because it aignt selling, thats why. If it was happening to BD they would do the same.

Actually, HD-DVD is cheaper across the board because it's literally cheaper to make. The discs are cheaper to make (regardless of how many people purchase them). Also, in order to convert a DVD manufacturing line into a Blu-Ray manufacturing line, you would need to change out a lot of hardware. To convert to an HD-DVD line, you only need to change the laser. The laser, btw, is cheaper, too. Blu-Ray has outsold HD-DVD. If cost was really based on the # of sales, don't you think Blu-Ray would be cheaper? There's a reason it's not.


HD DVD only caters to Movies, while BD does both movies and games, it is obvious one is superior to the other one due to this.

This means nothing for the format. The winner of the format wars will be the one selling movies, not games. If your logic was true, we'd all be buying movies on UMD, and we certainly are not.


YAll think PS3 and BD-players will stay expensive forever? come on its been only 8 months and the PS3 dropped the main unit to 500$, by 2008, it will drop again, mid 2008 it will drop again until its a reasonable price.

I don't see your logic, because while Blu-Ray is dropping in price, so is HD-DVD. As for the PS3 dropping in price, it basically had to. You say by mid 2008, it will drop to a reasonable price. Will that be $400? So, you are telling me that 3.5 years after the launch of the 360, the price of the PS3 will finally drop down to the price the 360 was at launch? That's not much of a selling point, Crunshii.


Everyone knows PS3 is still expensive, but Sony is already at loss so they need to do it slowly. blue ray players will start dropping the price as well.

This doesn't help your argument at all.



Money wise, its stupid about paramount because its on the numbers that BRD is outselling HD DVD over 2:1 ratio, why invest in the lower format.

Because there are more important things to look at than just the first few months of sales, if the war takes years to be won.



Cheaper to make? that sounds cockytalk cuz I checked DiskMakers and the price difference isnt that big.

See above.



as a business perspective which you rather sell, something bit more expensive but you know its going to sell due to bigger install base or invest in the lower install based format cuz its a bit cheaper to make? doesnt make business sense unless u want to do poorly cuz ur poor.

Based on your grammar, I understand why it is them, not you, making the decisions on multi-billion dollar decisions.

@Skullivan
re-read the post

@Crunshii
1. WTF does the fact that sony made their high-def media the only format to make games on for their console have anything to do with which format is superior?
2. you would be an idiot to think sony will drop the PS3 price twice by mid-2008. And even if BD prices do drop... what do u think HD-DVD will do? THE SAME THING. The point is that we shouldnt have to wait for these supposed price drops to make the format reasonable, IT SHOULD BE REASONABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE and even when BD drops to a reasonable price HD-DVD will likely drop even lower
3. HD-DVD has more studios backing it, with more movies coming out, has more features that come standard, it works even on the current DVD players everyone owns, and its much cheaper all around... yeah that definitly has high chances of phasing out

@dvddesign
if you had read my post earlier... Ritek has a process of making HD-DVDs and BDs 10x larger... HD-DVD will be at 600GB and i doubt there is much of a need for more space than that

I just can't understand why people are fanboy of a DATA FORMAT? This is beyond geek. Why people are fanboy of corporation. They are only there to rip you off.

Careful Crunshii, your PS3 fanboisms are overloading your grammar modules.

BuckF1tches is the man

we are on the same fucking wavelength