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The grumpy history of Cid

4:10 PM on 03.02.2010   |   Chad Concelmo

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Next week marks the release of the next iteration in the revered Final Fantasy series, the highly anticipated Final Fantasy XIII. Woo hoo! To celebrate, I will be posting a trilogy of Final Fantasy-themed features all this week, each one focusing on a different aspect of what makes the series so gosh darn memorable.

One thing that is refreshingly unique about the Final Fantasy series is that none of the main, numbered games are direct sequels to each other. Each game exists in a very similar universe, but none continues the stories previously established in the games that precede it. (I am not counting X-2, After Years, or Tactics as main games in the series.)

Despite each game being its own complete story, though, there are certain, very specific items, enemies, and characters that populate each game, tying the overall Final Fantasy worlds together. Things such as phoenix downs, Chocobos, and Moogles can be found in almost every one of the so-far released twelve games in the main series.

But, for me, my favorite recurring character in all the Final Fantasy games has to be Cid.

And I don’t just love Cid because he happens to appear in all the games. I love him because he is an old, grumpy bastard. An old, grumpy bastard that just so happens to always have something to do with inventing airships.

But thinking back on my favorite Cids in the Final Fantasy universe, I came to the realization that there is a pattern to which ones I like the best. It seems the grumpier Cid is in a particular game, the more awesome his character. Is this just a coincidence or am I on to something?

Hit the jump for a breakdown of every single Cid over the years ... and how his grumpiness relates to his level of significance and overall popularity. It’s all very scientific.

I had to really research this one. At first, I thought Cid was not in the original Final Fantasy at all, but come to find out he is ... sort of. While not present in the original NES game, Cid was shoehorned into the story in previous released versions of the first Final Fantasy for the PlayStation and PSP. I like to think Square-Enix knew I was going to write this article one day and wanted to keep everything clean and consistent.

Because of his early absence, I am not very familiar with his role in the game. If history is any indication, I can only assume that Cid in the original Final Fantasy is old, has something to do with an airship, and is wonderfully grumpy. He is also most likely awesome.

Like Cher or Fantasia, the Cid that shows up in Final Fantasy II goes by just one name and one name only. If that is not badass enough, Cid in Final Fantasy II pilots the main airship in the game and even makes a noble sacrifice at the game’s end to help the main heroes.

And just like the best Cids in the series, Cid in Final Fantasy II is grumpy as hell. He loves his airship and doesn’t care about anyone who thinks otherwise.

Oh, Cid Haze. You had such a great look going for you: funky hat, big fluffy beard. You could have been the grumpiest old Cid to ever grace the Final Fantasy series!

Sadly, though, Cid Haze is too much a pushover in Final Fantasy III to truly represent the best Cid has to offer. He is ridiculously generous in the game, offering his airship to the game’s main characters to help them on their way, but there are too many instances when Cid asks for help that he really shouldn’t need. And Cid isn’t supposed to be sweet and accommodating. Cid is supposed to be that old man that steals your football when it falls into his yard. He gets things done on his own terms!

Cid Pollendina in Final Fantasy IV is the series’ first true playable Cid (not counting the quick instance Cid joins your party in FFIII). He is also easily one of the best Cids ever!

A good friend to main characters Cecil and Rosa, engineer Cid joins the party after being arrested for treason for betraying the fake, evil king of Baron. After being rescued (never saying thank you like a classic Cid should), Cid reveals his greatest invention to his friends, the airship Enterprise.

Throughout the entirety of Final Fantasy IV, Cid is, at the same time, both lovable and absolutely stubborn. He works too hard, complains about things not getting done, and constantly gives everyone around him attitude. But despite all this, he is supremely likeable and one of the best characters in the game. He also performs a ridiculously brave act near the end of the game that saves all his friends ... and complains and yells the entire time he does it.

Classic Cid.

To no one’s surprise, Cid Previa has a lot to do with the airship in Final Fantasy V. An inventor like almost all of the Cids that have come before him, Cid Previa is the unwilling creator of a machine used by the power-hungry kingdom of Karnak to drain the world’s crystals of their energy.

Because of this, Cid sulks through most of Final Fantasy V. He has some great moments of grumpiness, but most of the game’s best moments belong to his much younger grandson Mid.

This is the one glaring exception to my magical equation that a grumpier Cid = a better Cid.

Not that Cid Dell Norte Marquez (best name ever!) is not an old, grumpy bastard at times -- he is! -- but his moments of stubbornness are completely overshadowed by how remarkably kind-hearted he is.

As chief engineer for the evil Empire, Cid Dell Norte Marquez is responsible for inventing Magitek, the process of how magic is (painfully) extracted from the innocent Espers of the world. While the process was meant for research, it was used for terrible purposes by the Empire, putting Cid in a very uncomfortable position.

After the world is destroyed by Kefka, Cid is kept alive by Celes -- a genetically-engineered female knight of the Empire and adopted daughter of Cid -- after he becomes sick trying to care for her. The sequence on the Solitary Island with Cid and Celes is one of the most powerful in videogame history. During this moment in Final Fantasy VI, all of Cid’s grumpiness melts away, revealing a generous man that performs acts of such kindness it will bring tears to your eyes.

Although he is not one of the grumpier Cids, he may arguably be the best.

Hands down, Cid Highwind from Final Fantasy VII is the grumpiest Cid to ever star in a Final Fantasy game. As a pilot and mechanic, Cid’s dream is to go into space abroad the majestic rocket he invented and built.

In a freak accident on launch day, Cid’s partner and female friend Shera is almost killed. To save her life, Cid must abandon the launch, thereby destroying any hope he had of going into space. After the fateful event, Cid takes out his anger on Shera by making him work for her (almost like a slave), constantly barraging her with insults and curses, and chain-smoking almost more than any other videogame character in recent memory. (Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cid blew that smoke in Shera’s face whenever he got the chance.)

Despite the almost uncomfortable level of his grumpy emotional abuse towards Shera, Cid shows he has a heart by forgiving her, apologizing for everything he had done, and -- in a shocking twist -- marrying her!

Even the grumpiest Cids have to have a heart.

Uh oh. After Cid’s divine grumpiness in Final Fantasy VII, the Cid featured in Final Fantasy VIII is a huge step down. Not that he isn’t an interesting character, but Cid Kramer is way too compassionate and clear-headed to make a good Cid. Who wants their Cid practical?

As the headmaster and overseer of Balamb Garden -- a school to train mercenaries -- Cid Kramer is very interesting and is the focus of a fair share of surprising plot twists. But he is also smart, classy, composed ... and not at all the kind of Cid a player like me is looking for. Where is the foul-mouthed language? The grizzled beard? The grumpiness?

He also wears a sweater vest in the game. Cid should never wear a sweater vest.

Just to set the record straight, Cid Fabool in Final Fantasy IX is not really playable, but the player does take control of him during a brief sequence. So while he is technically playable, he in no way has the same major role as the two Cids from Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VII. With that being said, though, the section of the game that does star him is very interesting.

Why? BECAUSE HE IS A FROG! That’s right; Cid gets turned into a frog about halfway through the game when main character Zidane tries to perform a spell on him. For the brief time the player gets to control Cid, he is a frog. With a giant moustache. A grumpy, airship-creating, giant moustache-adorned frog.

With a cape.

So awesome.

Cid in Final Fantasy X has something that none of the other Cids before him have ever had: a family relationship with one of the game’s main playable characters!

Cid (again taking the single-name Cher route) is Rikku’s father, Yuna’s uncle, and leader of a renegade group of people that excel at technology. Despite the fact that he is completely bald, which is something normal Cids are not known for, his personality is just as loud and obnoxious as the best of them! Cid in Final Fantasy X feels like a completely new take on the iconic character at first sight, but quickly fits the mold as one of the best (and most memorable) Cids in the series!

I have to make a confession: I have never played Final Fantasy XI for more than a few minutes. I respect the game like crazy, but have never been a guy that can get into MMORPGs. Thank God for my friend who is obsessed with the game. He quickly filled me in on Cid’s surprising appearance in the online, completely one of a kind Final Fantasy iteration and what kind of personality he has.

Funny enough, I should have seen this coming. Cid is a bearded engineer and inventor who helps your character by creating helpful inventions and tools.

The most important question I had for my friend: Is Cid in Final Fantasy XI grumpy? The answer: “Not really. But he does seem to have an attitude.” I think that’s okay with me.

What the heck? Two Cids in one game!? What is happening?!

There are actually two major characters named Cid in Final Fantasy XII. One, Cidolfus Demen Bunansa, is the stubborn father of playable character Balthier and a researcher and inventor for the major kingdom of Archadia. The other, Al-Cid Margrace, is a romantic man and member of a prominent royal family. Can you guess which one is supposed to be the official Cid?

Yeah, it comes as no surprise that Cidolfus Bunansa is the Cid that players have come to love over the years. Not only does the Cid of Final Fantasy XII have a classic, unruly attitude, he is actually one of the game’s bosses! That is really grumpy.

Extra points for that.


What do you think? How do you feel about my equation? Do you agree that a grumpy Cid equals a better Cid?

Which Cid is your favorite? Without spoiling it by looking on the Internet, do you have guesses as to what Cid will be like in Final Fantasy XIII? Will he be a playable character? Will he have something do to with an airship?

And, most importantly, will he be grumpy?








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Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:05
Aurain
Al-Cid Margrace rears his head in Tactics A2 on DS...
It could be argued that Al-Cid is the Official Cid of 12 based on that.


My favourite Cid would have to be good good old Cid from 7.
If he's not going to get arrested for Domestic Abuse anytime soon, There's literally no law enforcement in FF7world.
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:06
EggmaniMN
And what about one Thunder God Cidolfus Orlandeau of Final Fantasy Tactics fame? TG Cid should stand out as one of the series' best.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:11
Tubatic
Cid from 7 is probably my fav.

Cid from The Spirits Within wasn't too horrible either... no really!

A grumpy Cid is expeted, and I'm generalyl not satisfied if Cid is not ornery to some degree.
Sotanaht's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:11
Sotanaht
It may not be my favorite game, but FFVII's Cid is my favorite in the series.
I mean, how many of the others actually curse? Hands down victory.
Halidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:14
Halidar
I've never been partial to any Cid to be honest. The only Cid's I've ever liked were the Cids Pollendina & Kramer. (4 & 8)

To me, Cid needs to be a role-model. A voice of experience (even if it is a grumpy voice), and each Cid is at his best when he is being that voice.

Anyways, great read!
Jechxior's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:14
Jechxior
I don't even want to think of a true Final Fantasy game without a grumpy or airship driven Cid to help us save the world. And obviously FFVII had the best Cid but FFIX was very close.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:19
Chad Concelmo
My Cid order of preference:

1. Final Fantasy IV
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IX
5. Final Fantasy X
6. Final Fantasy XII
7. Final Fantasy II
8. Final Fantasy V
9. Final Fantasy III
10. Final Fantasy VIII
11. Final Fantasy XI
12. Final Fantasy

:) :) :)
Ninja In Distress's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:19
Ninja In Distress
I can tell you right now that Cid is NOT playable, and not all that grumpy. He DOES have a giant airship though!
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:20
Chad Concelmo
@Ninja In Distress,
Eek, spoilers! ;)
ryderbackside's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:21
ryderbackside
No Thunder-God Cid from Tactics? Blasphemy! But seriously, great article. Can't wait for XIII!
airbagtelex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:24
airbagtelex
FF7 Cid is king, plus his spear is badass
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:25
Handy
When Cid takes charge of the team it’s the best part of 7 for me.

Cid from FF2 kinda looks like Freddy Mercury.

The new Cid’s lack of facial hair has me deeply concerned.
Ness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:25
Ness
What about broken-assed Cid Orlandu?

Also, FF6 Cid is fail and I wanted to punch him
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:26
TriplZer0
Cid Highwind has to be my favorite too. His Level 4 Limit Break is a barrage of missiles from the airship. How awesome is that?
Corey Taylor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:27
Corey Taylor
Cid in the FF I remakes isn't even alive:

"Cid does not appear in the NES version. He is mentioned briefly in remakes of the original Final Fantasy, a ret-con designed to extend the presence of Cids into every game of the core Final Fantasy series. He is described as the ancient Lufenian creator of the airship used by the Warriors of Light.

Additionally, in Dissidia Final Fantasy, he is credited as the game's narrator, and is voiced by Bunta Sugawara in the Japanese version and Rodger Parsons in the English version. He is also revealed to be Garland's adoptive father. He masterminds the events of Dissidia Final Fantasy, leading the cycles of war to power up his ultimate weapon. "
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:28
Discarded Couch Sandwich
Cid in FFVIII looks like Robin Williams.
jc83's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:28
jc83
Cid is one of the best things about FFVII.

A Japanese friend of mine loves him too.
TriggerRedd's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:30
TriggerRedd
Considering my icon, I had to comment. For not having played FFXI, I think you nailed the grumpyness meter on him. It takes him forever (you have to earn fame) before he'll even consider you worthy enough to lick the salt of his boots with a menial job. But once you do get on his good side, he's got some fairly important moments in the overarching story.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:32
Chad Concelmo
@ryderbackside,
This feature is only about the main, numbered games in the Final Fantasy series. :)
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:34
MuddBstrd
OMG I love this list, Chad. If it were legal in this state, I would totally ask you to marry me based on this list. And that FFIV Cid is your favorite. He's the grumpy, hilarious comedic relief in a melodramatic love story. Plus he carries a big hammer. :D
Jurgs's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:35
Jurgs
Nice article, but I do have to voice in the no Thunder-God Cid from Tactics?! I realize you were aiming for numerical tie-ins, but Tactics does tie into FF12 rather nicely, and is a unique and playable character. While you don't get to see much of his personality (and he doesn't come off as grumpy when you do), he is hands down the most bad ass Cid in the series. He will not take shit from anyone, and if you were to try, he would unleash such a beating on you you would wish you had never been born. Epic shit.
taiki's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:35
taiki
Does Soul of Rebirth count? I think FF2 Cid should have both boxes checked.
nekobun's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:43
nekobun
Pollendina and Highwind are my favorite Cids by far, because both of them could clearly destroy anything standing in their way, and then build something beautiful and functional out of the remains. Del Norte Marquez is my least fave, because besides the name, I can't care much for a dude who walks around in a yellow condom ALL THE TIME.
Mazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:45
Mazed
It's a real toss-up, but I'd probably have to go with VI's Cid, with VII's and IX's as equal contenders for second. I like the yellow-raincoat guy because I took the time to save his ass by hunting for the healthy fish--after getting the rotten ones *once* and sitting through Celes' ensuing breakdown (12 years old I was, and despite the translator's attempt to pretty it up there was no denying what was *actually* happening there) and immediately hitting the reset button going "NOOO!" (Incidentally, I also went through the timed final sequence of the Floating Continent like six freaking times in order to have enough time to wait for Shadow. I'm a softie, I guess.)

VII's Cid was awesome because he had really cool theme music, was a Dragoon, an Asshole, and a...guy who lit dynamite with his cigarette in a Limit Break. Always a winning combination for video game guys.

IX's I loved just for how freaking *weird* he was (that and Lindblum was one of the most awesome towns in the history of the series).

As to the Cid of XIII: I'm feeling a bit pessimistic. He's got the FF-prettyboy thing going, which is a bad sign, though Al-Cid Margrace in XII had this going and still totally stole the scene the whole five minutes he was present for. He also looks to be an antagonist who later goes to grudingly help the heroes (though my info there could be wrong), which could make him more interesting; characters like that in the history of FF games have been uniformly awesome thus far (I speak, of course, of distinguished personages like General Beatrix, General Leo, and Kain Highwind)
Squidoris's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:47
Squidoris
Great article, it gave me a killer bonah.
agentarsenic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:52
agentarsenic
TG Cid and Highwind are probably the best. There was an old gaming website I used to go to where one of the editors wrote an awesome piece of fanfiction which included all of the Cids. I wish I could find it.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:53
HiddenAHB
My child will be called Cid. Or Chad.
Qalamari's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:56
Qalamari
Cid from FF8 looks like a lot of other people.


Oliver Stone,


Elton John,


And of course Robin Williams.


The best Cid lookalike has to come from Final fantasy 6, though.



All lookalikes are from Thor Antrim's videogamelookalikes.com.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:58
manasteel88
shoulda gone into the tactics Cids a bit Chad.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance's Cid was probably one of my favorite incarnations. One of the main characters is a motherless young boy named Mewt. His father Cid is worthless in real society and so when he stumbles across a book that lets him recreate the world of Ivalice, he turns his father into the most noble man in the country. He turns him into a Judge. The formerly grumpy old dad then helps to change this perfect world to what it should be.

Also, Thunder God Cid is just an awesome name.
Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 16:59
Jesus H Christ
I love you so much, Chad.
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:01
True Axiom
I can picture *all* of these Cid's being played by Robin Williams in a movie version. Well, Highwind is a stretch, and he'd have to voice Oglop Cid. But whatever.

My favorites as characters are, definitely, TG Cid from Tactics, XII Cid (who is one of the best Final Fantasy villains; in fact, he is so much better than Vayne that probably the biggest problem with XII is that Vayne sucks and Cid is believable) and Cid from VIII, who is very different.
KapitanFiggs's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:31
KapitanFiggs
Highwind is my favorite, and I believe his surly-bastard-ness definitely adds to the appeal. For Christ's sakes, he has a limit break that involves using a cigarette to light goddamned dynamite! A buddy of mine who HATED FF7 told me that he despised every character except Cid, because "he had goddamned MOXIE."
Also, Cid from FF6 was a kind of sissy-ass, and he's Number 2 Cid for you, Concelmo? My heart has broken. Just a little.
Senger's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:45
Senger
Cid in FFXI is grumpy at times and def. sports an attitude
Dudemullet's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:49
Dudemullet
Thunder God Cid from FFT or GTFO

I'm kidding chad GREAT article, cid is my favorite ALL-Final Fantasy character ever! After Kain highwind :)
anchorman84's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:54
anchorman84
@ Qalamari

I thought Elton John immediately. For the love of god, the resemblance is uncanny!

Not my favorite game of the series, but FF7's Cid is by far the Cidiest of the bunch. Followed way, way behind by a two way tie between FF6 and FF4's incarnations.

TG Cid > Chuck Norris riding a hungry/horny T-Rex, riding an asteroid, headed straight for your balls. DON'T FUCK WITH TG CID.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 17:59
Tristero
I've been looking forward to your pre-release Final Fantasy article! My excitement for the new game is at fever pitch right now. Next week can't come fast enough. I didn't touch a single Final Fantasy game until the last four years, so I haven't had a lifetime to get jaded and bitter about them. This and Mass Effect 2 have made me feel like a 12-year old kid again in the amount of anticipation I've built up over them. Can't wait!
Robert's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:00
Robert
I thought FF12's Cid was stupid and a waste of space. Probably because in between each meeting with him, you had to go through a massive grind-fest of a dungeon.

I hate that game.
Static Jak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:18
Static Jak
And now I've an even bigger RPG itch I need to scratch. There's got to be at least one or two classic JRPGs out there I haven't played yet. THERE HAS TO BE!
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:20
fulldamage
Freaking awesome article.

I do agree with VII being the grumpiest (and my favorite Cid), and I am also down with making a special exception for VI, since as you stated he may not be grumpy, but he's a core part of one of the most amazing sequences in the game.

Props for TG Cid as well, he doesn't fit the focus of the article but from the comments, he is one well-loved overpowered wrecking machine.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:31
brimtastic
Every time I read one of these Final Fantasy-spanning articles I suddenly remember how much I actually love VIII. I love it a lot.

But yeah, VII Cid has got to be the favourite.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:32
ace of knaves
This is such an amazing idea for an article.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:42
Jack Maverick
Boy, Cid gets some pretty badass last names and full names when he's given one.

As for my favorite Cids? A grumpy Cid is good, a grumpy one with a soft spot is alright, but one who complains the entire time he's saving the heroes and even humanity? Easily the best.
jasondm300's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 18:50
jasondm300
I remember cid from viii calling NORG a son-of-a-bitch. He was pretty badass in that sequence.
Caspulex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:02
Caspulex
I disagree in saying that Cid of FFVI was grumpy. After a group of rebels storm in and bust up the magicite containers, he willingly helps them escape...He's about as nice as Cid Kramer.
crusnchill's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:02
crusnchill
Erm... Cid was already a frog before Zidane ever even met Cid. Why do you think it takes a short while for Zidane to get a meeting with Regent Cid?

He was turned into a frog by his ex.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:07
Chad Concelmo
@crusnchill,
Actually, I think Cid was another animal when he met with Zidane, right? I can't remember what animal, though.
When Zidane tried to turn him into a human (from whatever animal his ex turned him into), he turned into a frog. :)
crusnchill's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:13
crusnchill
Oh yeah that's right!

If I remember right he's like some kind of vermin creature when the group first meets him and then later gets turned into a frog when they attempt to change him back to human form.

My bad.

Understandable though, it's been a while for me.

And now I think I'll go boot up my PS1 and play it one "last" time.
Thanks for triggering my nostalgia dude! :-)
Dr Light ate your Magicite's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:24
Dr Light ate your Magicite
FFIV Cid is without a doubt the best. His relationship with Edge makes for some of my favorite interactions in the game. I especially loved their fights during the airship montages, something about seeing their sprites shoving one another and angrily jumping up and down is just hilarious.
D Chap's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 19:31
D Chap
FF7 Cid is my favorite of course, but FF4 Cid is also great. I'm guessing the FF13 Cid will not be as grumpy as those ones, but thats just going on the style of the game. I'm thinking he'll be more like FF8 Cid but I could be totally wrong.
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