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It's pretty staggering to think of just how little time we've been experiencing voice acting in games. Sure, we've had stories told to us through text, characters who lived only as sprites and text boxes, perhaps clawing toward the surface through a low quality sound chip with a dying grunt. Even Final Fantasy did not receive recorded vocal work until its tenth installment, and calling it acting in many cases is extremely dubious. Scenes like this are famous for representing everything that's wrong with vocal work.

But where is the blame placed when it comes to a scene like this, and to whom should praise be levied for a game like Uncharted 2, which stands as a rousing success of vocal work? It's easy to suggest that poor vocal work in games is the fault of the actors themselves, and it's similarly common to hear people say that the material given to voice actors is shitty in such a profound way that James Lipton himself couldn't deliver the lines to our satisfaction.

But the reality is that a complete paradigm shift is needed in the approach to dialogue, reconstructing it from the ground up. In fact, the very future of high-quality narrative games rests on the shoulders of each spoken line, and it might surprise you to see just how distant the future seems. 



Speech in the earliest games was, of course, represented by text. In fact, you'll remember that the first computer adventure games were entirely made of up text. 1976 saw the first computer adventure game in
Colossal Cave Adventure, which was, by design, a very solitary experience. Navigating caves was the main objective, and, really, the only dialogue took place between the player and the game's programming. The player would submit a request, and the game would respond to it. Hell, when you think about it that way, the entire game was a dialogue, and one that engaged the player a whole lot more than a lot of modern audio dialogue does. But interaction between characters would come later.

But as games moved into new territories, text was largely dropped. Game makers struggled to create visuals and gameplay with extremely limited technology, cobbling together the simplest of games that were nevertheless impressive for what they were. But characters, text, and dialogue were, for the most part, nowhere to be found.

We all know the progression. Graphics get better, budgets get larger, and soon we have Patrick Stewart in our videogames. Game stories attempt to rival movies, and in some cases they find some degree of success. Voice acting becomes an art, and we start to see people like Nolan North and Jennifer Hale become well-known simply for providing vocal performances in tons of games. It would seem that, today, all is well in the world of game audio.

But it isn't. Games still receive some incredibly poor vocal work despite all of the talent that is out there. Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard somehow managed to take Will Arnett and Neil Patrick Harris and create a game that is mediocre on all levels, even those related to vocal work. How they made Will Arnett boring is a mystery to me, but they did, and it came as a surprise to a lot of people.

So, in a case like this, what is the problem? Some simple answers exist, and they may have some truth to them. Perhaps Will Arnett didn't give a shit about the project, and phoned his performances in. Perhaps the writing was so bad (which it was) that the performances would be poor no matter who gave them.



But I don't think this is the whole story. I think this cancer has taken hold deep in game design, using tradition as a fuel to keep itself resistant to all attempts to eradicate it. Its hold is so strong that it even has spread to games that are pretty good.

Dragon Age: Origins is not a game with poor voice acting. You don't listen to a character speaking and say "I could have done this better." Voices seem to be carefully chosen, and lines are delivered confidently. It's hard to criticize the actual writing of the dialogue, either. If we consult Kurt Vonnegut's rule that "Every sentence must do one of two things: reveal character or advance the action," then the majority of the lines written in the game check out.

So why did the game's dialogue, which seemed to be a selling point of the game, fail so utterly in my eyes?

I found myself bored during nearly all conversations that didn't involve Shale or shoes, and the latter was interesting only due to a sense of novelty, as my male character, who just happened to greatly resemble Lemmy, stood by as a ten-minute conversation played out that was all about shoes. Bro seemed to enjoy it, too.

Now that I've had plenty of time to explore what made the game's dialogue so boring for me, I've traced it back to a lingering problem in games that seems to go back many, many years: dialogues are treated like monologues. Characters speak to fill the air in a Shakespearean tradition that the writing itself can't hope to stand up to. A character who stands in one place and simply talks is the general tactic used by the game to deliver spoken lines. And oddly enough, those random conversations that take place as your party walks were some of the only ones that held my interest. Shame that the simplest action often interrupted them.



Anyway, it's easy to see similar problems in other games. Fallout 3 suffered from it as well to some extent, though a lesser one. The main difference in this case is that monologues simply seemed to be shorter. But still, people rambled on as if in a vacuum, speaking to some distant ear floating out in space, hoping that their words were being heard. If not, oh well, the show must go on.

It seems built into the very fabric of many games that interaction should have no part in dialogue. Speakers seem utterly disconnected, speaking to one other but never truly seeming to converse.

I say that it's built into games because it's not actually the dialogue's fault. Monologues aren't put in because the developers just love the shit out of them, but because they're the only types of conversation that could work on these situations. One major contributor to this is the silent protagonist, as seen in both Dragon Age: Origins and Fallout 3. While the player is given conversational options, the actual player character never speaks outside of combat.

Imagine if the player were tasked with selecting a dialogue option for every line in a typical ten-minute conversation in the real world. Every um, what, and holy shit would require a press of a button and a decision by the player as to just how he or she wanted to express "holy shit." It would be absolutely god-awful, both from a gameplay and a storytelling perspective, and that's why books and films typically don't represent conversation exactly as real humans engage in it.

But a game like Dragon Age: Origins requires an approach that is so far from how actual humans interact that it makes the experience a lot less enjoyable. Even Mass Effect, which takes an approach quite similar to that of Dragon Age: Origins, had dialogue that held my interest far better. Maybe it was a matter of having a voiced protagonist; I can't say for sure.

But the feeling was certainly made far worse by the fact that I completed Uncharted 2 directly before starting Dragon Age: Origins.

The gulf between the two games could not be greater. Uncharted 2 is, for all intents and purposes, one of the most advanced games ever created, and it's easy to see this advancement in the game's dialogue. But it's not an advancement of dialogue writing, as when considered on a line-by-line basis, there's nothing particularly remarkable about what the characters are saying.

Instead, the dialogue in Uncharted 2 simply feels different, as if it had come from an alternate dimension of voice acting where natural delivery and interaction were the norm. Characters appear to live and breathe on the screen, and more than any videogame before it, they interact, reacting to one another just not visually, but also vocally.



According to Amy Henning, Creative Director for Uncharted 2, the process makes all the difference. "Our process is really different from anything that's done in any other videogame," she explains. Indeed, even Nolan North, who has done voice acting for basically every game made recently, praised the approach of Uncharted 2 for what it does differently. "We all prepare the same way we prepare for an episode of a television show or a feature film shoot," North said.

So, what's so different about this approach? For one, characters aren't forced into pre-scripted lines. Sure, there are lines written on a piece of paper, and the actors have to deliver them, often without any time to prepare at all. But the actors did a lot of reacting to the game itself, using two techniques: ADR and chasing.

ADR isn't all that uncommon. In essence, it involves replacing dialogue after a scene has otherwise been completed. This can be done for a variety of reasons: it can allow a voice actor to fix a performance that is either bad or needs to be changed in reaction to a change elsewhere in the game, and it can also be used to help the writing, perhaps if a writer, director, or even a voice actor were to decide that a line, as written, could be improved.

Similarly, chasing allows actors to provide additional levels of voice that could be used in the game as needed. Chasing is defined as the creation of vocal tracks that occurs in real time while the actors watch the gameplay; basically, a scene in the game plays out, and the actors simply deliver whatever lines they can think of on the spot. This is normally as simple as grunts as a character jumps, but the actors in Uncharted 2 were allowed to go beyond this, acting out full scenes in the booth for the director to pick apart.

Indeed, much more was left up to the actors in Uncharted 2 than in most videogames. They were treated as actors rather than factories of vocalizations, with pre-scripted routines that, if strayed from, would mean that the machines were broken. It is these moments in which Uncharted 2's voice actors go off-script that make the game stand out for its voice performances.

Sounds kind of fun, doesn't it? Nolan North agrees. "It's just so much fun," he said in reference to the game's use of ADR and chasing. And you know what? It's extremely apparent to players of Uncharted 2. You can't help but have fun even as you listen to the vocal performances of these actors.

But the use of vocal directing techniques does not alone make good performances, and the game's director, Gordon Hunt, knows this. "We were looking for people with chemistry," Hunt said about the casting process. They looked for actors with a theater backgrounds. They required a comprehensive auditioning process. And they even required the actors to work for about a full year on the game.

All of this work paid off, though, as there's an undeniable chemistry present on-screen, not just between characters like Drake and Elena, but even between Drake and Sully. Really, all of the characters seem to work quite well together, and this can be attributed to the chemistry between the actors who play them. You simply can't write chemistry; anyone who works in film or television will tell you that. So why would it be any different in games?

It isn't, and that's why so many game relationships fail. Did Tidus and Yuna have any chemistry? Compared to Drake and Chloe, no. Even someone like Morrigan in Dragon Age: Origins, who has a strong, alluring personality, cannot single-handedly infuse that game with any true sense of character chemistry because it's never reciprocated. Blame it on the silent protagonist, voice acting style, whatever. The funny part? Chloe and Morrigan have the same voice actress: Claudia Black.

Again, I don't mean to suggest that her performance (or any vocal performances in Dragon Age: Origins) was poor. They were quite good. But there's something strikingly different about the overall feel of the voice acting in these two games, even right down to the two characters played by Claudia Black. Sure, they're incredibly different games thematically, with disparate tones. But even dark films have chemistry, and a game like Dragon Age: Origins should have it as well.



But chemistry isn't the only element of voice acting involved here. A game's humor greatly benefits from such an approach to voice acting. As suggested by Amy Henning, situational humor works far better in games than jokes. One of the most famous moments from the original Uncharted came when Drake says "I'm going to kick you to sleep." This was not a joke written into the game - it was something that Nolan North just said because he thought it fit a particular situation. It's a similar story with the "There's a guy below you," moment from Uncharted 2. This isn't a joke devoid of context like those seen in Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard (which felt like a joke that came with a free game, except that both of them sucked); it's a moment written to match the situation, and without the chemistry between the actors, it would fail.

It might be surprising to hear that very, very few games place two voice actors into the same room at once. It's surely a matter of scheduling and budget restrictions, but justifications like these don't make the fact any less true. How is chemistry and humor between characters supposed to come out if the people who make them come to life never even meet face-to-face? Well, it doesn't, at least not very often.

So, then, what are we destined for in the future? Who knows. I'd be remiss if I weren't to concede that the approach to vocal performances seen in Uncharted 2 is time-consuming, expensive, and, for most games, unrealistic. Not every game can have a massive budget to afford a talented director, voice actors, and a freaking year devoted to the actors. Does that mean that dialogue on the level of Uncharted 2 is destined for nothing more than to become that pie in the sky: delicious, always in sight, but always out of reach?

We all think to the future because of what we want to happen. We dream that things could be better (and, honestly, coming out of 2009, which was likely a shitty year for a lot of people, many of us have a lot more to dream about than videogames).

So even if the spread of quality dialogue and character interaction isn't something that we achieve in the next month, or even year, Uncharted 2 shows us that it's time to start demanding better. Even if it begins with the little things, like letting voice actors get together in the studio and build up some chemistry, we will start to see profound changes. Character interaction, character development, and even plot development will improve. We'll have characters and scenes that stick with us.

In the realm of narrative, character-driven games, these are some demands that we absolutely need to make.








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TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2010 20:10
TheCleaningGuy
Amazing article. Uncharted 2 really set the bar for voice acting in gaming, I can only hope that more games pick up their "performance capture" technique. Maybe arkham asylum 2 will follow suit? :3
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2010 20:16
Krow
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ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2010 21:12
ace of knaves
I agree completely. And Jim will fucking love this article.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2010 21:24
The Silent Protagonist
You answered your own question, really. Not all games are created equal because not all budget and actor commitments can be the same. We can argue how awesome it would be for everything to have great acting til we're blue in the face, but the situation with games is no different than television or movies.

Personally, I wish more games would go without voice overs entirely. I like getting to decide what the characters sound like and really could do without most of the commentary on voice acting. Its annoying because most people don't even begin to acknowledge some of the things you bring up, they just expect a Hollywood blockbuster evertime or for everyone to magically record together when thats far more practical in say, Japan, than it is with Western actors who could be anywhere from California to Ireland.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 00:16
Jack Maverick
Seeing that last image makes me imagine the guy who voices Sully on top of Nolan North wearing the motion suits. It is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.

Back to the topic, this reminds me a bit of PoP08. Maybe because of the fact that Nolan North is appearing in everything ever nowadays, but it gave me that impression that aside from the main bad guy and Elika's dad, the Prince and Elika had that chemistry. I'm sure I get that because in this open world, they only have each other to talk to, occasionally talking to the two side characters and the bosses when the plot feels it is necessary.

That also comes into play if you decided you wanted to allow the Prince and Elika to chat with each other when the opportunity came up. If you did, the conversations as you progressed through the game would evolve, you would have a better sense that these two characters really started to care about each other. Elika would slowly loosen up and be a bit more playful to the Prince, and the Prince would slowly care for someone other than himself.

It wasn't perfect, as I really wasn't too fond for Elika's character, even by endgame, but I still respect the developers for trying out something a bit different when it came to the narrative.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 00:17
Jack Maverick
While I'm on the subject of Nolan North, I'm still waiting for the game where he voices every single character.
Qalamari's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 07:07
Qalamari
Voiceovers have come a long way in a short time. I'll concede that they still have a long way to go, but gone are the days when Chuck from accounting would be called in to grunt into a Casio the night before they pressed the discs. Honestly, in the first couple of generations of Playstation games, "full voice acting" was more of a warning than a selling point. It's taken a while, but studios now seem to understand that a solid voice cast can make a good game great. Would the crew on Podtoid bring up Metal Gear Solid or Half Life so often if the characters within these series didn't have some of the best voicework in gaming?

I think what it comes down to most is that attention to detail. If you look at the biggest releases of last year, including some of the ones you mentioned-- Uncharted 2, Arkham Asylum, and some you didn't, like Left 4 Dead 2 and ODST, -- you see that nothing is left unpolished, no detail is too small to ignore. Studios who are committed to making sure their game is as good as it can be in every area leave nothing to chance, especially not the voice of the character you'd like your audience to think of as themselves for 10 hours. The games I mentioned earlier are prime examples of this: both Kojima and Valve's attention to detail are legendary. Nintendo's approach is very different as they use the silent protagonaist almost exclusively, and I'd like to get into that, but this reply is long enough as it is.

Finally, I know it's not really a "hardcore" series, but I'll add that almost all of the Ratchet and Clank titles have voicing and character interaction that rivals Pixar's finest. The exceptions are the handheld based games, which run into that whole budgeting thing, (money, processor power, take your pick) and the first game in the series-- I think that can be forgiven since Insomniac didn't really know any more about the duo than we did, starting out. In fact, if memory serves me correctly the voice actor from the first R+C game was replaced before the second.
Qalamari's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 07:10
Qalamari
Also, KAUZA AN' JEN-NY, SITTIN' IN A TREE. KAY-EYE-ESS-ESS-EYE-ENN-GEE.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 07:27
wanderingpixel
I always found the dialogue in Bioware games to be a bit dry. All the voices in Dragon Age sound bored. However, it's still pretty solid, and at least the writing is good.

Bioshock had the best voice acting of all time.
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 09:29
Andrew Kauz
@Jack: I really enjoyed the voice acting from Prince of Persia, and I actually thought a lot of the conversations were really well done. It was like the game made character development completely optional, which is an interesting choice.

@Qalamari:Ratchet and Clank really does have some amazing voice work, but in a lot of ways I think that can be attributed to the superior writing and tone of that game. I mean, they've been doing these types of games for a while now, and they really have become masters of it in nearly every area, and this applies to voice direction too. I'd really like to learn about the process that they use for dialogue recording and see how it compares to other studios.

And yes, I agree that it's definitely a matter of attention to detail, but it doesn't stop there. Even Valve could improve the interaction of different characters in their games--but they're doing a pretty damn good job as it is, so all they can do is look to the future and get better and better.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 10:38
Sean Carey
I love the focus not on writing or acting, but on the development process in this article. The more care that is place on including these elements from beginning to end of the dev cycle, the more quality dialogue and performance we'll get.

That's not to say that I want 20 Uncharted 2's to come out, but I'd love to see more RPGs with the same production values since they are theoretically so story driven.

Nice write-up!!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2010 15:39
Elsa
Excellent article!!
I agree absolutely!
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2010 09:12
Excel-2011
I want to see this written in a book. Every single word is required reading for anyone looking to work in voicing or directing.
TheTrendSetter89's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2010 11:15
TheTrendSetter89
Great article. I have had the same thought about Dragon Age: Origins myself. I think the other half of the Dragon Age issue is that the game has such an expansive backstory - amazing actually given its scope. But therein lies, ironically, a problem that has plagued JRPGs for years. A rich story and world that the game doesn't know how to deal with. Surely there must be other ways to reveal all this rich background detail then to just inexplicably monologue about it.

Additionally, I don't think Dragon Age improved on Mass Effect's conversation system in any big way (Mass Effect having been the one to improve it in a big way years ago). And at the least, Mass Effect left a mystery in the dialogue on the part of the main character. Dragon Age conversations often lack weight, unless between characters. I find myself zooming through conversations with NPCs trying to find out if there's a quest involved. Party member's are a bit more interesting in conversation, but get dull soon. I also am delightfully bored by this series of fairy tales characters, notably Leliana, tell. Whatever happened to show, don't tell?
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2010 11:43
Andrew Kauz
Really great points, TrendSetter. I agree about JRPGs--they often do create really amazing world, but they have trouble being fully realized. It's like they're created but not lived in by anyone but the people directly involved in the actions of the game. It's why saving the world in these games often doesn't really feel like saving the world.

You know, perhaps the failures of some games can be put upon using too much speech to tell, rather than using the world itself to show. Flower created a rich world worth saving without using any dialogue at all. I feel like games could learn from that--not that they should use less dialogue, but that they should use it for different reasons. We don't need a character to have hours and hours of dialogue to be fully realized.
SnatchTease's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 17:48
SnatchTease
Bitching about voiceovers? Go play FF7, FF8, & FF9. After reading all that garbage, you would enjoy voiceover work from Gilbert Gottfried. We gamers are a whiny self-entitled bunch.
Ninja In Distress's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 17:50
Ninja In Distress
I'm really tired of mothafuckers STILL bringing up that laughing scene in FFX. Yeah, the acting isn't good in the game, but that scene was purposely awkward and fake.
Telephis's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 17:52
Telephis
Grand Theft Auto games have had fantastic voice work and chemistry between the characters. when you watch one of those cutscenes, you really believe in the characters and that they are in the same room with one another. On another note, I agree with Dragons Age - not necessarily bad but everything seems like a monologue
TJF588's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 17:58
TJF588
*reads first paragraph* For what it's worth, the laughing is worse in Japanese, at least to my American English ear. I suppose what makes the English version worse is that it's our language, and it still sounds weird (moreso the talky bits after the 'genuine' laughter than the meant-to-be-hokey laughing itself).

For what it's worth, it doesn't bother me too much, aside from Yuna's "Too funny." (From what I can remember, anyway.) AH HA HA HA HA HA HAH!
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 18:03
TurboKill
I call Jim to voice act.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 18:17
Handy
Great article. I love the way the Uncharted actors do the mo-cap at the same time, body language is important to making a character believable too and it’s really hard to get that across when the voice is recorded after the mo-cap or vice versa. A lot of times we just end up with characters gesticulating wildly when they’re supposed to be angry or sad because the two things are done at different times by different people.

ALSO STOP GETTING FRONTPAGED IT’S GIVING THE REST OF US AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX!
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 18:22
Andrew Kauz
Holy shit, SnatchTease, you're right. We should never ask for more out of games. Silly me.

Also, @Krow: You called it!
Eric Kvam's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 18:32
Eric Kvam
I completely agree. I remember hearing Ellen McLain speaking about how Valve does voice acting in a similar way to Uncharted's. They key is to actively involve the voice actors in their character's work, development, and story, much like a real actor would be. I remember reading about how Alyx Vance's Voice Actress spent months with the Valve team during Half Life 2's development- and I still think her work is some of the best voice acting I've ever heard.

You can't isolate the Voice Actors from the production like so many studios do, because then your result is as empty as Keanu Reeve's acting.
McNerdburger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 18:39
McNerdburger
I'm an audio designer at Bioware and I'd love to throw in my two cents here. I think your observations are excellent, and I completely agree that Uncharted 2 sets the bar for linear cutscene voice acting (among other things). The key phrase there though, is linear.

Just like film, the cutscenes in Uncharted play out in exactly the same way every time. This allows Naughty Dog to control the movements, interaction, and timing between the characters in the same way a film director can (Not to take anything away from their accomplishments, they are pioneering technology and doing this better than anyone else has, save for the Heavenly Sword team).

Due to it's non-linear nature, the conversation system used in Bioware games is quite a different beast. If you take a moment to wrap your head around the number of permutations involved in an interactive conversation, including the possibility of different voice actors depending on the situation (as in the male/female Shepard situation in Mass Effect), you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about. It's simply not possible for our voice actors to be in the same room as one another, because we don't necessarily know who they're going to be, and/or what they're going to say, until the game is played.

The other major obstacle we face is simply the amount of content. The line count in Dragon Age is so immense, that it would be impossible to have custom animations for every conversation. Instead we rely on a palette of preset animations that are grafted on to the digital actors by our cinematic designers.

Having said all of that, I completely agree (as does everyone else here) that we need to continue to find new ways to make those conversations, animations and exchanges between characters more and more emotionally engaging. We're constantly trying to find new ways to do this, and I think we're making headway one game at a time. I hope this helps to shed some light on the problem :) A large part of game design is constantly deciding what kind of experience you want to craft... Give the player tons of freedom in a huge world? Or guide them down an immaculately polished, yet narrow path. I like both kinds of experiences myself, but we just happen to make games that revolve around player choice up here in Edmonton. Some might say it's what we're good at :)

Now back to finishing up this Mass Effect 2 DLC...
ogmaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:02
ogmaster
I talked with a video game voice actor, Troy Baker, on my podcast and we went into a lengthy discussion about this subject. He explained that he's worked on games that just give him a script and tell him to record it, and then there are games where there is constant rewrites, true voice directing, and requested input by the voice actors themselves to the writers. The voice actors are all for going above and beyond to give a good performance, but some companies do not put in that much effort into it. Good thing Uncharted 2 came along showing that with all the improvements to graphics and sound that has come along, voice acting is still in need of work to bring it to the same level.
Camiwaits's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:08
Camiwaits
Yes. Great read. I noticed while playing Brutal Legend how some of the dialogues feel really odd, with some of the voice actors really into the character and some others just kind of delivering, which makes it seem like it was cut and pasted into the soundtrack.

While in Uncharted you get the feeling of an organic dialogue between the characters. I think more games have to do this or just discard the voices, because bad voicework ruins the mood of the game.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:09
Qraze
metal gear solid=the console game that made an industry step the fuck up and evolve.
Bryce Clifton's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:11
Bryce Clifton
Great job on getting voice acting out there as a topic of conversation. It, as well as motion capture, needs to come a long way before video games can really "compete" with the story telling of movies.
I do have to comment and say that you are way off the mark on a few points:
NPH and Will Arnett gave bad performances because the script, but mor importantly, THE DIRECTOR gave bad performances. Actors are only tools and directors are the craftsman. While some tools are better than others, they can only go so far. I have strong doubts that it was Nolan Norths idea to do Uncharted in the way it was.
The other main gripe I have here is youre comparing Dragon Age/Mass Effect/Fallout 3 (RPGs) with Uncharted 2(an action movie/game). The RPGs require good and evil choices as well as here or there choices all on the fly, mid duologue, while Uncharted is watching a predetermined story play itself out. I really find the comparison unfair, if not, absurd.
Lastly, you comment as if Uncharted 2 is revolutionary in voice acting for getting the actors in the same room and generating real scenes and chemistry. Did we all forget about the stunning work in the Legacy of Kain series??? Here's a SET of games TEN YEARS OLD that had scenes playing out in movie-like realism, actually connecting with our playable characters.
Yes Uncharted 2 is fantastic. Yes it does deserve praise. Yes more games need to follow suit. But if we're going to throw some mud, at least know what you're slinging it at.
Zero_'s Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:34
Zero_
Fantastic article. Here's the supplementary behind the scenes material from Uncharted 2, that shows just why it's so much better in this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnhbGpiA6Ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnru0qLBHRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XvArFbKVXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GInXXexuhLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHxhkwxQBWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXvAcXRsRf4

All well worth your time.
MorningSon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 19:59
MorningSon
Great artcile although I agree with Bryce there.Simon Templeman(Kain's voice) was always delivering amazing perfomances(also in Dragon Age Origins),and he is a reason for Blood Omen being one of my favorite games of all time.
Turbofail's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 20:12
Turbofail
I like how everyone jumps up and down about needing good voice actors, yet when any of them dare talk about the shitty working conditions and horrible pay, everyone writes them off as whiny shitbags. You're all a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what the hell they want.
feighnt's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 20:18
feighnt
i dont have much to say, just wanted to express my appreciation for this article.

i'm not sure if i necessarily agree with it 100%, but i'm also *not* sure that i dont. it's something to think about - well done :)
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 20:43
Andrew Kauz
@Turbofail: Who writes them off as whiny? Other than typical jerks, but that's nothing new.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 21:15
readbigwordsisgood
Thank you for this excellent article.

Uncharted 2 is easily the best crafted game I have ever experienced. I really appreciate when such effort is taken to acknowledge it's achievements.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 21:15
readbigwordsisgood
Thank you for this excellent article.

Uncharted 2 is easily the best crafted game I have ever experienced. I really appreciate when such effort is taken to acknowledge it's achievements.
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 21:35
True Axiom
Well, Dragon Age got the shaft because the protagonist didn't talk. That ruined everything. It's really hard for there to be chemistry between a group of text responses and an actor.

Great article, too.
Thatdude3214's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 21:40
Thatdude3214
@ Qraze

Thank You for pointing that out. I'm almost astounded that this article did not even mention MGS, which pretty much set a standard for how voicework can contribute to a compelling narrative. Hell, David Hayter is a person whose fame is generated just on MGS voice work. That is an impact that shouldn't be ignored. The omission makes this article feel more like just gushing on why Uncharted 2/Dragon Age is so great

But I am glad the author pointed this out, as Uncharted 2 is a EXCELLENT game. I think part of it's appeal is that the script is tailored toward an American audience ,and was written with the English language in mind. We have to remember alot of games are created by Asain developers, thus the script is written in Japanese. So i think that the translation, no matter how good, sometimes muddles the flow of the script when brought over to English.

I would like to know what Japanese folks think about the Japanese version of Uncharted 2's story (if there even is an Japan dub). That's the real question
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 22:36
Andrew Kauz
@Thatdude3214: MGS4 was pretty excellent indeed, and there are many, many other excellent examples out there, but I just couldn't mention too many--the article's long enough as it is!
Thatdude3214's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 00:54
Thatdude3214
@kauza

Cool. I meant no disrespect. You did make an excellent point and Uncharted 2 does deserve the accolades indeed (it's on my top 10 favorite games of all time, and i've been playing games since Duck Hunt) .

All in all, i think your point exemplifies the ever-growing talent the Western game dev. now have at their disposal, which is raising standards that Asain need to catch up to.

Think about voice work from games by American-companies (Halo, Gears, Uncharted, Batman AA, COD, Heavy Rain). The voice work tends to be easier on our ears because it sounds a little more natural. I believe its because of the script generating from American writers. I think that we are more critical of translated Japanese games because of certain hiccups in their dialog and script.

To illustrate, look at MW2. what Makarov said "Remember, No Russian", meaning "Don't speak Russian while in the airport" got translated in the Japanese version to "Kill them all! they're Russian", and Japanese games got pretty upset tha the game explicitly told them to kill innocent people. (unlike our version). The feeling of that entire level changed due to that one line being misinterpreted. Think about how the Japanese voice actor would handle that script, i'm pretty sure he would take it differently than the American voice actor

So i think it's a matter of getting good translators to localize the script that fits in with that particular market.

But still, good stuff kauza
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 01:23
matrixdude171
What we need is a larger amount of voice actors for larger games, honestly 3 people voiceing everyone gets annoying.
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 01:43
Holiday
Uncharted 2's voice acting did seem a little more natural than most video game voice acting. Though I never got how Drake an Co. would be cracking jokes and be all nonchalant right after a massive killing spree. Like it was all water pistols and tabs of ecstasy. But I guess that's the director's and/or writer's fault. The Half-Life series had some good voice acting and dialog, even if the main character was mute. Same for Bioshock. In fact I think The Darkness had some great voice acting too. But yeah, too many video games have "some dude" reading stupid lines that everybody thinks sounds cool but really it's just lame and juvenile.
jymkata's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 03:10
jymkata
But if we up the ante with voicework, we'll never get another HOTD2.
I mean, imagine a world without
http://www.audioatrocities.com/games/typingofthedead/clip4.mp3
http://www.audioatrocities.com/games/hotd2/clip5.mp3
The Cast's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 05:57
The Cast
Holiday: if you wanted to become a fortune hunter who is willing to go into Uncharted territory, you'd probably would have accepted that you'll probably end up having to kill a bunch of dudes in order to stay alive (so long your not a bastard).

Besides, Drake's ends up doing the world a favor.
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 09:30
TheTruth
I think the biggest problem is not enough games have actual writers, but rather programmers who think they are writers, so either the diaogue or plot are bad.

That and the way they edit the lines the actors did into the game can often be done poor and abrupt.
But it is slowly improving for the most part.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 10:44
Kaspar
I'm thinking back on the shitstorm that was Twilight Princess with it's lack of voice acting...I wonder what path the new one will take..
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 11:03
teke367
I always thought FFX got a bad wrap for that scene. Granted, I didn't think the voice acting was anything special in that game, but that scene is about the character trying to force a laugh, forced laughs sound fake in real life too, just like that scene.

You can hear it in Uncharted 2 that the actors are there together. Too many games, even ones with good voice acting, you can almost hear the pause between lines. Even if the tone and inflection is right, dialougue just doesn't sound the same if it isn't people reacting to people.
KorJax's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 11:11
KorJax
I don't think it's fair to compare Uncharted 2, which is a very highly orchistrated, directed, linear game (aka exactly like a movie except with a controller), to Dragon Age... which is the exact opposite and isn't meant to replicate movie acting at all.

You can't have the Uncharted voice work done in the same action-movie style as DA because DA gives player CHOICE, and choices that require some "time" for them to be selected on the part of the player. It's a completely different dialog style, and in my opinion it works great for it's purpose.

Yes it could be improved by making the protagonist not silent, and it could be improved by having more situations where the dialog that happens isn't just "guy standing, moving lips", but the way it was handled and the performance was great in my eyes. I honestly don't see any huge problem with how dialog was handled in DA:O and never once did I think "Hmmm this feels off!", which says a lot as a fan of RPG's like this.
dragonarya's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 11:24
dragonarya
I agree. Voice acting needs to be better. An extension of the character, really.
VampireChrist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 13:47
VampireChrist
fantastic article!

"There's a guy above you, there's a guy above you!"
"There's a guy below you, there's a guy below you!"
laughed for a few minutes on that one
merrypetal's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 09:41
merrypetal
The Silent Protagonist makes a valid point. Personally, I view Uncharted 2 as an almost entirely different genre of game, the moviegame. Very linear, totally scripted, eye-candy overload and that's fine. I'll keep looking for and playing games like this, Dragon Age and Borderlands for a long time. There's room for them all.
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