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i wonder how much it sold. Becuse my reaction to realizing it was out yesterday was "GuuuuAHHHHH" and then i bought it right away.
I'm having a blast siding with the Dawnguard. My second character is pretty fresh, so it will be great to replay Skyrim as a vampire lord.
For now, it's all about crossbows, vampire killing and werewolves.
For now, it's all about crossbows, vampire killing and werewolves.
beth DLC is great, but it's taken way too long, and now XBOX players are basically playing the first piece for free, and will get the full version sooner than PC players.
all in all i'm not really happy about it, and i'm not sure i'm going to bother buying it in the end.
all in all i'm not really happy about it, and i'm not sure i'm going to bother buying it in the end.
At first I was kind of pissed when I heard about this and fact that you'd have to choose between werewolf or vampire. I've ran across several very powerful vampires being hunted by Stendarr guys out in the wilds... 30-45 minutes long fights with these bloodsuckers, not easy fights on expert. Maybe it's just cause I'm a werewolf they hat eme so much buuuut... now I am glad they made this choice, because now I can hunt down and kill every last vampire, lycanthropy 4 life D:<
I'm not sure 20 bucks is worth it for this DLC. Vampires will always suck at their core due to what they did with them and werewolves are a fucking joke. The next DLC better add spears and/or werebears for me to even consider it.
I am just so sad at the decline of the Elder Scrolls. Gone are the times when you could wield a magical staff and strike with it too. Forgotten are the skills which made the games fun and interesting(h2h, acro, athlet, unarmored). Denied are the things that are "too spreadsheety" which includes magic crafting, enchanting anything with any effect, a useful inventory and a plain, simple map. You can't even see the roads on it so why do we want Googleskyrim?
I am just so sad at the decline of the Elder Scrolls. Gone are the times when you could wield a magical staff and strike with it too. Forgotten are the skills which made the games fun and interesting(h2h, acro, athlet, unarmored). Denied are the things that are "too spreadsheety" which includes magic crafting, enchanting anything with any effect, a useful inventory and a plain, simple map. You can't even see the roads on it so why do we want Googleskyrim?
Wait, so the clarification part is "Then I'm sure we'll be making some more DLC in the future, and then after that we'll see what happens.". That doesn't really clarify anything, we already knew this.
@Flas
"DLC plans" doesn't 100% include "just future DLC" though -- plans is multifaceted in this case. I am mostly referring to the fact that Dawnguard was born out of Game Jam, and their various philosophies on DLC, which are found in the interview.
Give it a read -- there's some good stuff in there.
"DLC plans" doesn't 100% include "just future DLC" though -- plans is multifaceted in this case. I am mostly referring to the fact that Dawnguard was born out of Game Jam, and their various philosophies on DLC, which are found in the interview.
Give it a read -- there's some good stuff in there.
"On the Vampire Lord side you have a whole new perk tree and we also added a whole new perk tree for Werewolves too."
Just saw that, didn't realize they added so much non-quest specific stuff as well, that's pretty cool. Also kind of agree with glitchmaster, lot of stuff they took out that I miss. Still do not understand no road markers on map, which makes trying to get to objective on or around a mountain super-derpy sometimes. And the enchanting stuff too. I remember reaching a point in Oblivion where I had more money than I knew what to do with, then I found the enchanter thing, goodbye money.
Just saw that, didn't realize they added so much non-quest specific stuff as well, that's pretty cool. Also kind of agree with glitchmaster, lot of stuff they took out that I miss. Still do not understand no road markers on map, which makes trying to get to objective on or around a mountain super-derpy sometimes. And the enchanting stuff too. I remember reaching a point in Oblivion where I had more money than I knew what to do with, then I found the enchanter thing, goodbye money.
can they pretty please patch ps3 skyrim first so whenever i make contact with water in- game the console doesn't fucking freeze up? Then maybe i can consider dlc.
"If there's one thing I love, it's studios who develop fully fleshed out DLC packs after the game enters the market."
Horse Armor.
Horse Armor.
In addition, Im another one pissed about timed exclusivity for no reason other than Microsoft. I would have happily plopped down 20 bones for it right away yesterday, but now Im far more likely to either pirate it or wait for a big Steam sale/GotY DLC pack sale.
@glitchmadter - you mean all the stuff that made the games even crashier, buggier and an inane skill grind?
Sorry, but going back to grinding spells levels to earn the honor or enchanting (after making sure I got a grand soul in a grand soul gem, which was rare in Morriwind to start with) only to constantly have the game crash because I wore "too many" enchantments is rubbish I don't want to go back to.
A game should make good on the freedom it promises. Skyrim does that better than any installment of the series has.
Tedium is fine, grinding I'm mostly ok with, but If you say iI can make a CE ring that lets me hover, it should work without disrupting the game. You know, after putting me through a hellacious grind like that.
Sorry, but going back to grinding spells levels to earn the honor or enchanting (after making sure I got a grand soul in a grand soul gem, which was rare in Morriwind to start with) only to constantly have the game crash because I wore "too many" enchantments is rubbish I don't want to go back to.
A game should make good on the freedom it promises. Skyrim does that better than any installment of the series has.
Tedium is fine, grinding I'm mostly ok with, but If you say iI can make a CE ring that lets me hover, it should work without disrupting the game. You know, after putting me through a hellacious grind like that.
@kkjjss7: damn bro that bug was fixable the day the patch that caused it came out.
Delete your skyrim data(not character. Utility data). Reinstall skyrim...fixed.
Delete your skyrim data(not character. Utility data). Reinstall skyrim...fixed.
What's this? A single player only game with DLC being released long past release that's not overpriced and completely unnecessary for enjoyment of the game? How the hell do they make any money?! Everyone knows those kinds of games don't sell at all any more. Without online death matches and day 1 DLC a game is sure to fail. No-one cares about how good the actual game is any more. They want to shoot their friends with guns they bought with micro-transactions!
Glitchmaster -- I'm just about as "spreadsheety" as anyone, and I don't miss any of the stuff you mentioned. Jumping off a building 700 times in a row so my character could turn a useless backflip is not my idea of fun.
If anything, the problem with Skyrim is that the story and atmosphere are off. You just don't buy the dragon threat because they never do any serious damage to a city or anything.
If anything, the problem with Skyrim is that the story and atmosphere are off. You just don't buy the dragon threat because they never do any serious damage to a city or anything.
There's a growing sentiment on their forums that Dawnguard isn't coming to PS3 AT ALL and the PS3 being the ONLY platform to not currently be at patch 1.6 isn't helping.
These guys brought this plague known as DLC upon us with thier profane greed and horse armor.
Boo I say, boo them to hell!
Boo I say, boo them to hell!
I am actually totally okay with this DLC. Most DLC pisses me off but Bethesda did it right so here is my $20 and a couple more hours of my life.
@Scrustle
I'm detecting sarcasm :D
I'm really pissed at the friggin' Micro$oft time exclusive BS. Never, ever gonna buy a Xbox, never!
I'm detecting sarcasm :D
I'm really pissed at the friggin' Micro$oft time exclusive BS. Never, ever gonna buy a Xbox, never!
@sirspy - You don't have to choose between being a werewolf or a vampire in Dawnguard. You can fully complete it without ever being either one, in fact. The only choice in the main Dawnguard storyline is between being a vampire or a vampire hunter.
@Silent and Harvey: If either of you can give reasons why Skyrim is better than its predecessors from the older games, then I will find you about 30 more problems it has to replace those. Bugs and glitches are in Skyrim just as much if not than the others. Weapons you can't improve because they were left out of the list completely and/or just in the wrong list entirely.
Hand to hand is gone except for bad perks, Unarmored is gone except for bad perks, jump height is now tied directly to your racial height so Altmer jump the highest and movement speed is also tied to your racial height so once again, Altmer do it better. Not to mention how they are the only ones in Skyrim to receive an attribute bonus(magicka) and they lost their magical weakness making them super overpowered. Dunmer get nerfed, Khajiit are near worthless, and Imperials just don't make sense. While everyone is getting nerfed the Altmer are getting superbuffed.
The combat is garbage. Yes, shield bashing is cool, but not being able to jump and attack in Skyrim is bullshit, especially when a kill animation for a dragon includes the character jumping up then striking as they fall. First rule of not making shitty animations; Don't show the player doing something they can't do when actually playing. It ruins immersion as well as frustrates the player with impotency. Todd Said we can be Gandalf with a sword and staff but Gandalf kills more foes with his staff than blade or spell. Thus, we should be able to use magical staves to smack people around like a Monk.
Magic is by far the most worthless thing in Skyrim. Enchanting now requires certain enchantments to go with certain gear. That sounds okay until you can't put any good enchantments on you boots or gloves. You can't wear more than one ring either for some reason. I understand not letting us put on twelve rings of Unholy Demon Wrath but one?!? The spell and enchanting list of effects has been cut in half, then sliced some more and then they crammed it into the dead shell of a mudcrab.
Example: Oblivion has 74 spells for purchase in Cyrodiil and that doesn't even include the ones you can make. Skyrim has 24 with 3 of those being horrible master level spells which don't work well at all, and you can't make any.
Every magic school has been reduced and given spells that make no sense. Even the shouts are half-assed. You have to rely on cooldowns unlike the ancient Nord Tongues who could shout whenever they damn well pleased because the gods gave them those powers. Most of the shouts are only useful at their third word level. Kyne's Peace and Animal Allegiance shouts should be combined so as to not waste 2 shout slots with similar effects. Where is the teleport shout? You know, the one where you shout at a location and you are teleported there instantly? Whirlwind Sprint is not the same thing at all. Nords could also sharpen swords with the Thu'um yet that shout is also non-existent. The elemental fury shout doesn't work on any enchanted weapons making it useless in most situations, since I like enchanted weapons.
My monk in Skyrim is pathetic. He can't use staves to hit people, he can't use fists and level, and he can't be a ninja acrobat in any way. So my Khajiit monk has to rely on other skills like Alteration and Illusion to actually level. What a joke.
My point is that Skyrim is a quarter of the game it should have been if they had just done what was important. The Dragons can rot in Peryite's Realm of Oblivion for all I care since they aren't fun to fight and give little reward to fight them.
Also, unkillable irritating children who have Redguard parents by blood yet are Nordic themselves is just wrong and evil on so many levels I don't even know where to start. Oh yeah, let us kill the little shits. Then I will feel better for not seeing Argonian hatchlings and Khajiitens.
End Berserk Mode.
TLDR: Why do people still say Morrowind is the best when clearly Skyrim is better in every way? Oh wait, it's not. RIP levitation spell.
Hand to hand is gone except for bad perks, Unarmored is gone except for bad perks, jump height is now tied directly to your racial height so Altmer jump the highest and movement speed is also tied to your racial height so once again, Altmer do it better. Not to mention how they are the only ones in Skyrim to receive an attribute bonus(magicka) and they lost their magical weakness making them super overpowered. Dunmer get nerfed, Khajiit are near worthless, and Imperials just don't make sense. While everyone is getting nerfed the Altmer are getting superbuffed.
The combat is garbage. Yes, shield bashing is cool, but not being able to jump and attack in Skyrim is bullshit, especially when a kill animation for a dragon includes the character jumping up then striking as they fall. First rule of not making shitty animations; Don't show the player doing something they can't do when actually playing. It ruins immersion as well as frustrates the player with impotency. Todd Said we can be Gandalf with a sword and staff but Gandalf kills more foes with his staff than blade or spell. Thus, we should be able to use magical staves to smack people around like a Monk.
Magic is by far the most worthless thing in Skyrim. Enchanting now requires certain enchantments to go with certain gear. That sounds okay until you can't put any good enchantments on you boots or gloves. You can't wear more than one ring either for some reason. I understand not letting us put on twelve rings of Unholy Demon Wrath but one?!? The spell and enchanting list of effects has been cut in half, then sliced some more and then they crammed it into the dead shell of a mudcrab.
Example: Oblivion has 74 spells for purchase in Cyrodiil and that doesn't even include the ones you can make. Skyrim has 24 with 3 of those being horrible master level spells which don't work well at all, and you can't make any.
Every magic school has been reduced and given spells that make no sense. Even the shouts are half-assed. You have to rely on cooldowns unlike the ancient Nord Tongues who could shout whenever they damn well pleased because the gods gave them those powers. Most of the shouts are only useful at their third word level. Kyne's Peace and Animal Allegiance shouts should be combined so as to not waste 2 shout slots with similar effects. Where is the teleport shout? You know, the one where you shout at a location and you are teleported there instantly? Whirlwind Sprint is not the same thing at all. Nords could also sharpen swords with the Thu'um yet that shout is also non-existent. The elemental fury shout doesn't work on any enchanted weapons making it useless in most situations, since I like enchanted weapons.
My monk in Skyrim is pathetic. He can't use staves to hit people, he can't use fists and level, and he can't be a ninja acrobat in any way. So my Khajiit monk has to rely on other skills like Alteration and Illusion to actually level. What a joke.
My point is that Skyrim is a quarter of the game it should have been if they had just done what was important. The Dragons can rot in Peryite's Realm of Oblivion for all I care since they aren't fun to fight and give little reward to fight them.
Also, unkillable irritating children who have Redguard parents by blood yet are Nordic themselves is just wrong and evil on so many levels I don't even know where to start. Oh yeah, let us kill the little shits. Then I will feel better for not seeing Argonian hatchlings and Khajiitens.
End Berserk Mode.
TLDR: Why do people still say Morrowind is the best when clearly Skyrim is better in every way? Oh wait, it's not. RIP levitation spell.
@glitchmadter - I believe we indeed gave reasons. You chose to not read them and talk out of your ass.
I'm rocking a 52 Nord with that favors Conjuation, Archery, Sneak, one-handed and Enchanting. Every slot of gear I have strongly favors most of that. I think I've taken Sneak to the point that I don't need to complete the perk tree. My archery is so OP I had to up the difficulty. I have a crossbow that can freeze, burn and shock on impact, as well as paralyze..
Levitate? You champion the the most disappointing enchantment in the whole of Morrowind. To even get CE enchantments to work required a deeply modded version of the game. Unmodded Morrowind is a broken heap of shit and while Skyrim has its issues, it never got near the disappointing lows of Morrowind.
Neither did Oblivion, for that matter.
I'm rocking a 52 Nord with that favors Conjuation, Archery, Sneak, one-handed and Enchanting. Every slot of gear I have strongly favors most of that. I think I've taken Sneak to the point that I don't need to complete the perk tree. My archery is so OP I had to up the difficulty. I have a crossbow that can freeze, burn and shock on impact, as well as paralyze..
Levitate? You champion the the most disappointing enchantment in the whole of Morrowind. To even get CE enchantments to work required a deeply modded version of the game. Unmodded Morrowind is a broken heap of shit and while Skyrim has its issues, it never got near the disappointing lows of Morrowind.
Neither did Oblivion, for that matter.
@glitchmadter - I believe we indeed gave reasons. You chose to not read them and talk out of your ass.
I'm rocking a 52 Nord with that favors Conjuation, Archery, Sneak, one-handed and Enchanting. Every slot of gear I have strongly favors most of that. I think I've taken Sneak to the point that I don't need to complete the perk tree. My archery is so OP I had to up the difficulty. I have a crossbow that can freeze, burn and shock on impact, as well as paralyze..
Levitate? You champion the the most disappointing enchantment in the whole of Morrowind. To even get CE enchantments to work required a deeply modded version of the game. Unmodded Morrowind is a broken heap of shit and while Skyrim has its issues, it never got near the disappointing lows of Morrowind.
Neither did Oblivion, for that matter.
I'm rocking a 52 Nord with that favors Conjuation, Archery, Sneak, one-handed and Enchanting. Every slot of gear I have strongly favors most of that. I think I've taken Sneak to the point that I don't need to complete the perk tree. My archery is so OP I had to up the difficulty. I have a crossbow that can freeze, burn and shock on impact, as well as paralyze..
Levitate? You champion the the most disappointing enchantment in the whole of Morrowind. To even get CE enchantments to work required a deeply modded version of the game. Unmodded Morrowind is a broken heap of shit and while Skyrim has its issues, it never got near the disappointing lows of Morrowind.
Neither did Oblivion, for that matter.
DLC developed after a game was released based on feedback from what fans liked and/or missed and things the development team wanted to do differently, combined into a (seemingly) lengthy package for $20.
Wow. I didn't realize people did that anymore. I was beginning to think that GTA IV was the last of a dying breed. Apparently not. Thanks Bethesda. Keep at it. Death to microtrasactions in $60 games. Glad you've learned from all that Oblivion bullshit. Now go teach some of these idiots at EA how it's done.
Wow. I didn't realize people did that anymore. I was beginning to think that GTA IV was the last of a dying breed. Apparently not. Thanks Bethesda. Keep at it. Death to microtrasactions in $60 games. Glad you've learned from all that Oblivion bullshit. Now go teach some of these idiots at EA how it's done.
@Silent: What reasons? Glitches and grinding? Really? You don't like jumping up and down to level your acrobatics? Don't use it, plain and simple. They didn't need to ruin Khajiits they way they did. I would rather just use my attributes for some of the skills like athletics but we don't get to use Agility or Speed anymore so that goes out the window. 3 attributes sucks.
"A game should make good on the freedom it promises. Skyrim does that better than any installment of the series has." Except it doesn't really. By being a sequel it implies that it will be better in most ways. We can supposedly do what we want, be what we want, and play how we want, yet anyone who enjoyed being an unarmed mage in Oblivion has to deal with subpar damage and no leveling unless they rely on magic. I can't play half of my characters and yet somehow Skyrim is so great with freedom. Even the customization is limited. Y'know, for a series so focused on the limits of the universe and how to get past them it sure does have a large amount of limiting factors that are unnecessary.
As a Conjurer you of all people should be able to see what is wrong with the game. How many daedra can you summon? Atronachs only plus some stupid half assed ghost wolves. LAME. Oblivion had summoning of great variety. Spider daedra, scamps, Atronachs, undead(still daedra), and many more. Necromancy is not the same as Conjuration so why should all the undead summon spells be replaced by reviving the dead? The undead that are summoned are from the realm of Oblivion just like everything else one summons, they just live in the Soul Cairn plane.
I also did not champion Levitate, I simply used a well known long lost spell. I could have used the Drain spells, or the Damage spells, or the Disintegrate spells, or really most of the magic spells. Poison spells, skill spells, attribute spells, multitype spells, invisibility spells, cloak spells, silence spells, dispel spells, and many more are left behind for no DISCERNIBLE reason. I played Oblivion and some Morrowind and Skyrim is seriously lacking in variety, especially in the magic department.
If by talking out of my ass you mean actually talking about the problems instead of ignoring them then yes, I am talking out of my ass. Skyrim has a shit ton of bugs that BREAK that game beyond repair, not unlike Oblivion or Morrowind.
Ex: I have 3 Amulets of Talos but because of yet another broken quest, I cannot sell, drop, or get rid of in any way the other 2 amulets due to fucking quest item labels. So now I just carry around 2 extra pounds of worthless amulets, FOREVER. Quest related items and people ruin a lot of perfectly good characters and quests, by being untouchable due to the hand of god.
They add a little, and remove a lot. Skyrim could easily handle Morrowind's style of magic and enchanting with some tweaks. They need to stop REMOVING and start IMPROVING what doesn't work the way they like. Don't fix it if it ain't broke and don't remove it if it is in use.
Its also Glitchmaster8, not Glitchmadter.
"A game should make good on the freedom it promises. Skyrim does that better than any installment of the series has." Except it doesn't really. By being a sequel it implies that it will be better in most ways. We can supposedly do what we want, be what we want, and play how we want, yet anyone who enjoyed being an unarmed mage in Oblivion has to deal with subpar damage and no leveling unless they rely on magic. I can't play half of my characters and yet somehow Skyrim is so great with freedom. Even the customization is limited. Y'know, for a series so focused on the limits of the universe and how to get past them it sure does have a large amount of limiting factors that are unnecessary.
As a Conjurer you of all people should be able to see what is wrong with the game. How many daedra can you summon? Atronachs only plus some stupid half assed ghost wolves. LAME. Oblivion had summoning of great variety. Spider daedra, scamps, Atronachs, undead(still daedra), and many more. Necromancy is not the same as Conjuration so why should all the undead summon spells be replaced by reviving the dead? The undead that are summoned are from the realm of Oblivion just like everything else one summons, they just live in the Soul Cairn plane.
I also did not champion Levitate, I simply used a well known long lost spell. I could have used the Drain spells, or the Damage spells, or the Disintegrate spells, or really most of the magic spells. Poison spells, skill spells, attribute spells, multitype spells, invisibility spells, cloak spells, silence spells, dispel spells, and many more are left behind for no DISCERNIBLE reason. I played Oblivion and some Morrowind and Skyrim is seriously lacking in variety, especially in the magic department.
If by talking out of my ass you mean actually talking about the problems instead of ignoring them then yes, I am talking out of my ass. Skyrim has a shit ton of bugs that BREAK that game beyond repair, not unlike Oblivion or Morrowind.
Ex: I have 3 Amulets of Talos but because of yet another broken quest, I cannot sell, drop, or get rid of in any way the other 2 amulets due to fucking quest item labels. So now I just carry around 2 extra pounds of worthless amulets, FOREVER. Quest related items and people ruin a lot of perfectly good characters and quests, by being untouchable due to the hand of god.
They add a little, and remove a lot. Skyrim could easily handle Morrowind's style of magic and enchanting with some tweaks. They need to stop REMOVING and start IMPROVING what doesn't work the way they like. Don't fix it if it ain't broke and don't remove it if it is in use.
Its also Glitchmaster8, not Glitchmadter.
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