"Sure. Agreed. That's all fine and well. But did we really need another article this long further explaining your already ham-fisted "there's no joke here" point from the review? We get it. Actually, we already got it, but thanks for the unnecessary clarification."
And I pretty much agree with that. Duke is a parody, Jim. He's a pisspoor parody, but parody he is. Leave it at that, and less of the sermonizing.
So I see Duke Nukem not as a parody, but a the opposition to the typical action hero.
Kind of revealing when you look at some of the people drawn to the Duke Nukem character.
Put down the fork and take a breath. It will be ok.
"...the people who defended the game to me post-review with "It's parody" seem to indicate otherwise. "
I think the point is that someone contests everything you write every day... clearly there was a need to defend yourself in this case with a follow-up article.
So I suppose we can expect long-winded follow-ups to all your contested reviews from here on out? Wonderful.
Also Duke is a the type of guy that attracts and surrounds himself with a certain type of woman.
Incidentally, I find it hilarious that you of all are getting upset over treatment of women.
Shut up and stay in the corner "you" I don't care what "you" thinks.
Parody however, can also be made upon abstract ideals or stereotyphic figures. You are right that Duke is not a parody of Arnold, Duke - just as Arnold & Stallone - is rather a parody of stereothypic chauvinistic male figure, he´s just cranked up a bit. I do agree however, that he ain´t a very clever parody, like, say... David Brent. But that doesn´t give you the authority, nor the basis, to declare him an "original character".
Think again, you were on the right track, but think right this time.
Haha. He's the Hillbilly Hero. Even white trash need someone to look up to, I guess.
@Jim
Great article. I couldn't agree more.
@Space Moose
White trash lololololol
You're right. If Duke Nukem were meant as a parody, we would be expected to laugh at--not with--him. It's a celebration of the worst aspects of modern masculinity.
I usually disagree with most of what you say, but it's nice to see you willing to go against the grain when you honestly believe it.
I do believe duke had a moment in time where it was acceptable and cool to like him when i was a kid i was fascinated by the tity bars in the game and the one liners came across as awesome but only because i was immature and my gaming tastes where much simpler at the time
i don't think duke has changed much over the years but rather the audience has
Put your mind back when Duke Nukem 3d was released. In most games the biggest question was. What could I do? Most games were completely basic, you couldn't really interact with the world.
And then Duke came. Suddenly you could interact with a lot of shit and it was a more immersive feel to the game as other 3d shooters. Then the massive ass kicking, fast paced gameplay, one-liners and the titty bar where you could even interact with the dancers. At least I realized that this is a world were I could do whatever the fuck I want. It's limited nowadays for sure but at the time it was really impressive and fun to try everything out.
So, I don't see him as a conventional character. He is the cool avatar of the player, you can do whatever he wants and still everyone loves you... except the president. But does Duke care about the president?
For Duke to actually be satire it would have to have the position that his views are either comedically untrue or wrong in some way. He would qualify as a parody if he were ultimately unhappy or something but all his misogyny and machismo pays off with blowjobs and fame. Nobody takes him seriously so it's not exactly glorification but there is such a dearth of meaning to anything he does that it's not parody. And I'm being very generous with the word "meaning". The meaning of The Onion is to be funny and maybe "yeah, you do get a lot of exercise when you're drunk". Pretty much everyone has admitted Duke isn't funny and since there's no tragedy around him there is absolutely no purpose to him.
I'll admit that Duke Nukem is probably more fun than staring at a wall but I have serious concerns with people angrily and righteously defending the quality of shit just because it's kind of more entertaining than being skull-crushingly bored.
DUKE NUKEM IS FUNNY!!! YOU JUST LACK A SENSE OF HUMOR BECAUSE YOU'RE SO FAT.
LOOK, IM HOLDING A TURD, HAHAHAH!!!!! ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS!!?!?! LOOK HOW FUNNY IT IS!!! YEAH IM HOLDING A PIECE OF POO!! THIS IS A PARODY, THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THING IN THE WORLD, YOU'RE JUST TOO FAT TO REALIZE THIS. HAHAHAHAH!!! THIS GAME IS JUST TOO MUCH, IT'S SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!! DUKE NUKEM BABY!!!!!!
I don't know whats worse, this turd of a game, the character, or the fanboys. Take your pick.
You say that action heroes which may be the source of inspiration for the character would never be as misogynistic as Duke Nukem.
Therefore Duke Nukem is over the top, even if it's offensive.
Regardless, Duke Nukem is more of a satire.
Wow, that was a well thought out response. Think I hit a nerve there, eh?
Fuck you too! Eat shit and die! :D :D :D
See, I can be as 'edgy' and 'internet-hardened' as you, tough guy.
The point of what I was saying is this - Sterling is somewhat wrong here in that Duke Nukem is a parody and always has been, he is male machismo at an incredibly ridiculous and exaggerated level, he is everything that is bad about the male persona when brought to such extremes. The 'action hero' brings it only so far, Duke Nukem is the fully realized Male Id.
Usually, it's really only blind ignorance that leads to these kinds of extremes. You have to be completely unaware of the movement of society and completely stuck in your own id to be Duke Nukem. Interestingly enough, this also applies to white trash. To people who 'don't give a fuck about anything' and think it's cool to be perpetually shit-headed and worthless.
Duke Nukem. is. White. Trash.
Face the fucking music, dude.
This whole article is basically STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE AND DEFEND THE WOMEN
Man if I ever met you in real life I'd... probably get on with you really well and we'd enjoy ranting at each other and throwing around insults until we eventually succumb to our carnal desire and passionately hump pausing only briefly to wring out the shame from our sweaty mass.
I mean, take something like Machete. That movie doesn't really disparage Machete or his persona, but the whole experience works. Like Duke Nukem you don't really laugh at the character. Unlike Duke Nukem, you do actually LAUGH.
Bulletstorm is an example of what Duke Nukem wishes it was.
Anyone want to argue this? Assuming that it is a parody, exactly where does Duke Nukem succeed as one?
I've yet to play DNF, but after hearing all the negative press about it... I kind of want to play it more. Some of the reviews I've read are just selling it too hard that the game is bad. Even reviews from places I'd normally read sound a bit like the authors merely railing against the idea of Duke Nukem rather than about the game itself.
In that, it appears to be extremely effective.
Ok.
It doesn't change the fact that a decade from now, if Duke Nukem is remembered at all, it'll be remembered with shame and embarrassment.
So go on and play it guys, the game's boring as shit anyhow.
I'll be over here playing Bulletstorm and actually having fun! What a concept.
Duke Nukem is the testosterone filled version of Gordon Freeman.
You know, after so many 3rd person games people can hardly put their mind into first perspective. Everyone talks about a "character" like everything is some sort of fucking movie. It's not, it's fucking video games!
Holmes talked about video game journalists who praised Uncharted2 and reviewed it like it was some sort of movie to be just movie critics who failed and are now reviewing video games. I think he talked about you Jim.
Perfect conclusion for someone who doesn't even get what Duke is all about and for someone who trashes every game for broken mechanics when it's a little more difficult.
"I smacked alien wall titties!"
I'm still enjoying this game, YOUR OPINION MAN.
Jim are you trolling 2k's former pr crew?
There's no irony. I didn't say he was wrong, but I'm certainly not reading a bitchy rant.
Guns, women, and giant explosions. As much as I admire your hard work into analysing Duke, I have to respectfully disagree with your view point Jim.
Yes there is a lot of thought into why he could not be a parody, however the game itself is made to entertain the simple "wants" that stereotypical males crave. The opening of the game has Duke playing himself in a video game while receiving a blow job. That is something that many of my male friends always say they want to experience in their life, as if it were a life goal of theirs. The constant references to woman as sex objects shows again the stereotype of men's image of woman.
The game and the character take male stereotypes and multiply them by 100 with Duke. It makes it so that in this world men do what they want whenever they want and are praised for it. Again this is just my opinion and another side of the coin that is Jim's perspective.
Don't project yourself onto others, chump.
You like Mario, which means you're a lowlife with plumber crack. See, I can do that.
I'm not saying that DNF is not shit. I'm saying you two have a lot in common.
He is a version of Arnold and Stallone on steroids, embodying their warlike demeanor, but then taking things well past the nth degree, past good taste and well into tacky. He is the I Hope they Serve Beer in Hell and the Fratboy Icon. He does what he wants, when he wants and everybody loves him for it.
I would argue that he is 100% effective at parodying the crude male demographic that he was created to serve. Yes he takes lines for Army of Darkness and They Live and when he did it the first time they were considered clever, pop culture references, a sort of Easter Egg to the folks who played his games.
Don't pretend not to see what he was parodying, simply because you hated this game that much. There is parody offered up here and available for everybody to see. It is just not perhaps the same thing Randy was referring to.
But that's just a quick attempt at offering a counter-argument. One that is not backed with evidence as is yours.
Consider: Stern's media personality is not a parody of perverts. He revels in perversion. He exists simply to shock people, to create stress fractures in the puritanical conventions that compartmentalize our society. In doing so, he also allows his followers to vicariously live out fantasies that they would never endanger their normal lives to fulfill themselves. This is what Duke Nuke'em does as well.
Like Stern, he is also distinctly a product of his era. Why was he considered 'funny?' For the same reason that people laughed at Stern and Andrew Dice Clay and similar ilk at the time: the 90's was the decade that trademarked the term, 'Political Correctness,' and people bored of it quickly. While this movement did inspire some constructive changes, the FCC and big business became a bit - we'll say overzealous in their efforts. Even those that directly benefited from this new attitude began rolling their eyes at how much oversensitivy was expected from them, all. the. time.
So the entertainment industry began capatilizing on the unspoken desires of mainstream society, by providing mouthpieces that would say what they no longer could (in public) and do the things they would never let their neighbors see them do. One such character, the first in video game history, was Duke.
No, Duke was never a parody. He was always intended to be adult fantasy fulfillment. Think about it. How would a lot of geeks like to see themselves? Tall, muscular, gravel-voiced, fearless, a man who takes no shit from anyone, a one-man army. A man who never outgrew his pubescent obsessions, who can have any beautiful woman he wants and never gets hurt, who kills whomever pisses him off and sends them to hell with a well-timed movie qoute like any good nerd would. Therefore looking for comparisons in action-movie heroes of the time is useless. He is not one of them (the beautiful people), but the dark, twisted side ofus: the porn-viewing, movie-obsessed, angry internet nerd.
Where you're right Jim, is that it's all quite ugly, unflinchingly so. But for those that wish it, Duke provides a virtual outlet for this impossible self-image and destructive urges. Whether or not this is pyschologically healthy is a whole 'nother bowl of fish, and an argument I'm not about to dip my toe into on this forum!

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