007, Ash, and even Austin Powers are also all cooler than Duke Nukem. Duke's wittiest and most well known line (the bubblegum line) isn't even his. The rest of his lines are generic "I'm gonna kill you shit down your neck" type lines. They're not even funny.
All I can say is that I disagree with your header. Duke was ALWAYS a parody.
The bullshit white knight feminism which is being feigned by so many in the enthusiast press is such utter click whoring twaddle that it's downright pathetic.
Especially so when it's coming from someone like you Jim with your love of the word 'cunt' and your constant and unrelenting offensive comments about and towards women in every single one of the new Destructoid podcasts which you have hosted.
Anyone with a different opinion: But, but... I disagree! I feel differently about it, I think. :)
Jim: "It doesn't matter what you think!"
I still love you, Jim. ;)
Of course I could be reading too far into this.
If you parody a thing, you should make it seem horrible, pathetic, and, most importantly, laughable. If you aren't accomplishing these things, you are glorifying something.. not parodying it.
Who fucking cares whether he's a parody or not. It's still entertaining. Seems to me like you've contrived this entire shitty article to somehow justify the 2/10 you gave Duke Nukem Forever.
Is DNF a hugely sub-par game with dated graphics and gameplay? Yes. Is it really a 2/10 game? No. Don't even fucking dare try make out like DNF is one of the worst games to grace the planet.
I actually used to think you were a decent reviewer but lately it seems like all you want to do is draw attention to yourself.
Then again, why should I be justifying what Duke is? The developers should have put actual work into their script.
Shit, that was the plot of Austin Powers.
But I mean you talk about what Duke is supposed to parodying in terms of 80s action legends like Sly and Arnie. Whereas I feel that Duke is more or less parodying the machismo essence of those virile heroes.
Duke Nukem is supposed to be ultra manly. He's got the guns the girls and the muscles.
Still I get where your coming from in that Duke is too flawless and without self-reflection which might justify Duke as a parody.
I mean Arnie is not above poking jokes at his own expense and his movies like Commando at least contain some mention of how everything is so ludicrous.
I see what you saying in that Duke lacks a voice of sanity to question the whole thing.
I don't know whether I can truly say the lines are delivered with a flat delivery because Duke's voice actor help make Duke sound like a real hilarous meat head.
Still, you've atleast proven that Duke is a poor attempt at a parody.
It's more a like a Tarantino exploitation attempt at the whole thing. Hence it sucks.
Great write-up, and you articulated a lot of what I've always felt about his character better than I could. Of course, with the difference being that I never liked him to begin with ... at all.
"Duke treats women like shit and his games portray females as ditzy sluts who exist only to satisfy Duke's urges. To the best of my knowledge, the films of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone have never been about that."
I think you could have taken this further. If he's not actually a parody of anything, but instead an original character who acts like that ... what does that actually say about his fans and what they like?
2/10, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. The game is no masterpiece, but giving it such a low score then practically saying this is the holocaust of videogames is ignorant.
You can keep making articles telling me why I should be hating Duke, but it won't change the fact that it is mediocre at the very worst.
Duke IS a parody of itself and FPSs, much like you are a parody of a real videogame journalist.
I still don't know why they went with that direction, though. It's not like it would have been particularly hard to parody Action. It's... oh fuck it.
What's most disturbing to me is that there really are people that think it's funny.
Whoring for page hits much?
Like beating dead horses too??
Also, holy shit I wrote more than I intended.
TL;DR Duke's character was always shit but at least Duke3D had a good game under it.
And everything DNF related is all Anthony Burch's fault.
How long with this crusade continue on? Will you continually reference this article and your original review for months to come? Keep taking jabs at anyone who disagrees with you? I don't look forward to it. Please don't turn this into another Heavy Rain situation. I didn't even like that game myself, but damn if I didn't get tired of you harping on it all the time.
Duke Nukem is what it is. If you don't like it, then ignore it. I know that's what I intend to do.
A few notes:
@Sæglópur: you criticized Jim's "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude after you made a post saying "NOT GOING TO READ, DIDN'T LIKE TITLE?" Did you fail to notice the irony there?
@Walnut100: His argument regarding over-the-top action stated that Duke Nukem: Forever had too LITTLE action. Also, those aspects were a part of a larger argument he made throughout the entire thing, not the entire basis of the argument.
"ANOTHER DUKE ARTICLE!?"
Wambulance abound.
If YOU get it, great. You're not everybody though.
As far as the game being a parody maybe it's less obvious than fans would imagine it to be. If Duke Nukem is a parody it's that of the 80's and 90's era mind set that testosterone filled boys have in their imagination. It's more of a macro parody then micro parody, and it's hard to really pin point the exact references because they way how it's executed is obscure.
And now one of the only reasons why it's noticeable is because it's 90's game finding itself in 2011.

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