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The Conduit sells under 72K in US during June photo

Those who argue against so-called "hardcore" games on the Wii have some fresh justification, with news that The Conduit failed to break into the top five Wii games for June and shifted a mere 72,000 copies. While some in our comments argue that the game was only released on June 23 (a fair point), it's still not a glowing success for the game's launch week.

"In terms of top SKUs, The Conduit placed at number 25," said a spokesman for NPD. Looks like The Conduit will share a similar fate to House of the Dead: Overkill and MadWorld, as Sega continues to find that special something and create a "hardcore" title that will actually sell on the Wii. 

This is Sega's third attempt to put a more traditional videogame on the Wii, and so far the results have been less than impressive. Sega maintains that its strategy is working, with its games making back money with a slow burn rather than a quick burst, but it still has to be discouraging for publishers and studios to see these games hit the ground with a stumble rather than a dash. 

Still, Capcom's doing alright, so we know that these "mature" games have an audience. Maybe Sega needs to dig deep into its pockets and actually market these things?








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Frohike's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:22
Frohike
Look, it's simple. If they want to sell to their target audience, they need to get that shit off of the Wii. That's all the "strategy" one needs to sell such a game.
dangerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:25
dangerman
Out of the 3 major hardcore wii games published by Sega the only one actually worth the inital $50 was HotD. MadWorld was a blast but was more of a $30 and and The Conduit is just too damn broken to be worth buying period, and yes I do infact own all three. Where the Wii truely excells for hardcore gamers is not with games like The Conduit which are simply trying to copy what gamers can get on the 360 and PS3, but with truely unique games like de Blob, which btw is a game that everyone should own.
killatia's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:25
killatia
Capcom and the guys behind No More Heroes proved that mature games can sell on the wii. What sega need to do is do some more advertisements for the game to get the sell they want.
shockat's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:28
shockat
@frohike
or actually tell wii owners that their games exist, im assuming that most of the ordinary wii owners arent up to date in gaming news
Sven Wohl's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:29
Sven Wohl
I have the impression that The Conduit was marketed pretty well. It's just that the game is really bland when compared to other FPS games for other consoles.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:31
DF
shockat has a point. But I mean, Conduit was actually advertised. Metroid Prime 3 for example wasn't at all. I think I've even seen TV ads for Conduit. I can't remember now.
Blackdeath's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:36
Blackdeath
The game only came out in the last week of june.
Dreamsower's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:36
Dreamsower
I hope Sega doesn't let this discourage them, for the people that do get these games and enjoy them it is very appreciated. I agree on the point about De Blob, more truly unique experiences on the Wii. One of them may eventually get some real wind in their sails from being marketed and received well.
Instant_Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:38
Instant_Awesome
@Blackdeath:

I was about to say the same thing. Are we ignoring the fact that this came out on June 23rd? That would mean it sold 72K copies in a week, not in a month.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:41
Tubatic
@killatia

No More Heroes debuted, I think, at about the same clip of 50k ish initial sales.

Maybe that's just how big the market is on the Wii? Certainly, there's a number of people that have bought into the "lifestyles" that each console taps into. Maybe, frightening, that how niche the "core" market really is on the Wii?

In which case, doing so well w/o marketing overhead might be the thing that makes these ventures profitable.

Still, I'd be interesting in seeing how a game as robust as a Fallout 3 (long form RPG) or God of War (Solid 8 hour actioner) would fair, if a good AAA attempt is put forth.
Brando's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:42
Brando
I don't get all the hype for this game, I played it for 3 hours and got bored. Yes the controls are good, but really the entire thing just feels like "been there-done that". I think the argument that it doesn't need to be original because the Wii needs a good "solid" FPS is weaksauce.
WhiteX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:42
WhiteX
Twisting shit around, Jim?

TCon came out on june 23rd, it is 72k on a week, hardly a failure.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:44
Tubatic
@BlackDeath

Ooh yeah.

hmm...
Your Moms Hot Lover's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:44
Your Moms Hot Lover
I'm renting this right now and honest to god it is terrible. And I was hoping I'd love it, was really rooting for it. The reviewers of this game on most sites are on drugs or being bribed even to give it a 6 or 7 out of 10.

Call Of Duty: World At War on Wii - although obviously not as good as the 360 or PS3 versions - kicks the absolute crap out of this game.
WhiteX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:46
WhiteX
@ Brando

I agree, the game is barebones to say the least, the online mode is the main draw, it is basic as the single player campaign but we have nothing of the sorts more so considerinf that it sidesteps Friend codes so it is good.

The Conduit could mean more FPS ands traditional gaming on Wii, the same way the success of SEGA´s shooters and RE:UC paved the way the torrent of on rails shooters we get nowadays.
ChainThrow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:48
ChainThrow
The audience that would buy it are going to own a HD console as well, and there are better shooters on both PS3 and 360. Probably more than the average person can buy. If they want to shift "mature" games, they need to create an experience that works on Wii that is different enough from what you can get on the HD platforms to justify a buy.

But I'm always saddened to hear about Platinum games underselling, because I loved Clover Studios. MadWorld doing badly is a shame. The sooner we get Bayonetta the better!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:51
Jim Sterling
72k for launch week isn't that good.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:54
Gen Eric Gui
I agree with Blackdeath. The game hasn't even been out for a whole 30 days yet, why are we tabulating it's monthly sales? The other point I wanted to bring up was already mentioned by Mr. Sterling in the article. The Wii has been proven to run off of a different sales model then the other consoles. Wii games don't sell a million copies in a month and then die, they sell for extended periods of time. Judging the game a failure because it didn't sell a kazillion copies right away doesn't work for this instance.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:54
Tony Ponce
CORRECTION: It's a T-rated game.
LOLFONDU's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:57
LOLFONDU
Am I the only one who looks at this game and sees that it's only strength is that it's a rarity on the wii?

If this game came out on 360 or ps3 i'd probably never care to pick it up, simply for the bland and average looks of it. Woo. FPS. Alien lookin things. Government conspiracy? Woo. But put it on the Wii, and suddenly you're innovative!

Maybe they should have just gone with 10 minigames and bright colors. That would sell shitloads.
BenHaskett's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:58
BenHaskett
Well, I'll tell you what.

I am a Wii owner, and that's the only current-gen console I own. Although I have access to a 360, it's not mine, so the only console I actively buy games for is the Wii.

And I did not buy this game. From the moment it was announced on IGN and we saw that very first video, my only reaction was that it looked generic. The main character looks like a tool, and the aliens look just like people in cruddy costumes. That's a mark against the game in my book, and when the game comes out, the reviews pour in, and we find out that the game is just sub-par anyway, it comes accross to me as a game I could safely let go.

I consider myself somewhat of a Nintendo fanboy, but even I can't justify buying a game that I know is going to be mediocre. That would be stupid.

If a game comes out and it looks good, I'll get it. But it has to be good by my standards, not the "good" associated with a 7.0 from Gamespot. That's the same reason I didn't bother with Deadly Creatures or Battalion Wars 2. They struck me as "meh" games. I get the same feeling from The Conduit




And that's what really grinds my gears about people telling me I better buy these games if I want to get more hardcore material on the Wii. It makes me feel like Sega etc. are just a bunch of panhandling bums begging for my money; you see them, and you walk on the other side of the street because the mere sight of them make you feel irritated and uncomfortable.
Fanatism's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 11:58
Fanatism
but but but...vgchartz says it sold 95k first week.. :'o are they wrong?
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:07
aaronf
I think Wii owners just bought it for Wii sports.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:09
Tubatic
@BenHaskett

Deadly Creatures, Battalion Wars 2 and The Conduit all have their own levels of "meh". I like all three, and definitely got some good times out of all of them.

They're all worth rentals, at least, for whatever that's worth to you...
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:11
bustaballs
It has nothing to do with the platform. I never see or hear a lick of advertisement. If they didn't have the entire world covered with posters of Fallout 3 and GTA4, I don't think they would have sold nearly as much either.
BenHaskett's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:11
BenHaskett
Agnates :

Are you sure? I never played it (obviously), but I own the first one and I thought it was just... unbearably lame.

Is BW2 anything like the first title?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:11
Chris Carter
I remember being at E3 and thinking "this game is pretty horrible". I think after it actually released, and it got that "4/10" from Edge, and more horrible reviews, people just ignored it.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:13
CocoJambo
I'm more impressed that this has to be the most down to earth post Jim has ever made about the Wii.
Zcdrike's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:13
Zcdrike
I'm one of those 72K who bought it in the first week, I've had a ton of fun with it so whatever. I'm more interested to see how it goes in the long term, besides, but since I haven't seen a single TV commercial for this game then I doubt it'll ever get more then 200K. Shame though because the online multiplayer is a lot of fun.
Rational Animal's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:24
Rational Animal
I've read nothing but mediocre reviews of this title and (IMO) the screenshots look terrible. If I was rocking the Wii as my only console, I'd probably pick it up, but there are just too many better FPS games on the other two systems to even consider shelling out the cash for this one.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:26
WarZombie
@ Agnates

There's a big difference between Call of Duty, an established and well-known franchise, and The Conduit, a newcomer to the FPS genre. Everybody expects Call of Duty to sell well because it's well-known. People are just saying that mature games can't sell on the Wii because most new franchises to come to the platform have been under-achievers, which for some of the part is true (Even in Japan, No More Heroes sold like shit). Fine, it came out in the last week of June, but you really can't say that justifies that mature Wii games can sell a lot. Personally, I don't think it will hit one million units, but if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to say it.

Btw, I do want a Wii, but I'm just being honest.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:33
Tubatic
@RationalAnimal

Even as someone that digs The Conduit, I've got to say Killzone 2 and Halo 3 are overall higher quality experiences, no question.

And while the game sits right there between godawful and "oh, ok" in the looks department, playing through has been a fun experience.

If you dig the idea and execution of IR shooting, its well done in that regard. But certainly, compared to offerings on other systems, it is understandably a hardsell.
Zeta Crossfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:34
Zeta Crossfire
gave up on my wii last year. Still in the house some were but not sure were. Do they still go for 400 on ebay?
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:40
Chronic Logic
Ouch, better luck next time, if there is a next time...
Catmurderer's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:42
Catmurderer
I couldnt turn in this damn game. I have never hated a game more.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:44
Chris Carter
@Chronic
The Grinder is the "next time". I think it will do MUCH better than The Conduit because it's the "Wii L4D", and people will be fresh off of the real "L4D" boycott/hate.
nosinging's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:45
nosinging
I wish i could have helped the numbers more--but i'm waiting a bit to get this one (got too much on v-game plate for now).
Also, can any owners here confirm that it's a fun game? (i liked metroid prime 3, and liked what i saw of bioshock, but don't like halo--which camp of fps does conduit fall into?)
crono0929's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 12:59
crono0929
COD: WAW wii sold like 40k in the first week, and its currently a million seller :X, lets just give it Time.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:04
Kyle MacGregor
I picked up a Special Edition copy of this and it has rarely left my Wii over the past couple weeks that I've had it. I think anyone who wants to play a good online FPS on their Wii should and will pick this up. I've been having a blast with it online...even if I did just accidentally delete my file and have to start over with the mediocre campaign. Despite its rather poor critical reception, I think it's honestly better than the reviews have scored it and if you compare it with MOH:H2 it's so much better despite receiving poorer reviews, which I think can be boiled down to not meeting the hype of "Halo 3 for the Wii" kind of stuff. I don't really care what reviewers think anyway, I'm having fun and that's what matters. I don't feel the slightest bit of regret for giving High Voltage my dollar. They earned it and my continued business in the future.

Anyway, if anyone wants to play with someone else online here's my Friend Code.
2579-1358-6801

See you guys on the battlefield.
The Kojukinator's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:09
The Kojukinator
This is Nintendo's fault for marketfucking their system they way they do. Overkill and Madworld are absolutely classic titles that anyone calling themselves a gamer should check out. I haven't tried The Conduit yet, but I have noticed that it's PR is pretty shitty. Either the title is just really not that great and they fear overhype and backlash... or they are shooting themselves in the foot and disregarding an important audience (you and me, the people that have been playing their games and paying their salaries for the last 20-40 years...).

Figure it out Nintendo... are you selling gym equipment that's not really gym equipment, or are you selling a gaming console that EVERYONE (not just dumb celebrity blondes) can enjoy?
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:21
Darren Nakamura
I was waiting for this news. I sort of expected it, and I certainly haven't helped out any (I planned to get The Conduit, but am low on money). Still, I sort of hope the "slow burn" thing is true, and the lifetime sales of the game pick up. If only because of what the game represents.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:27
PEICanada7
"72k for launch week isn't that good."

Its not great, but its not horrible either. inFAMOUS only sold 175,000 its first week, and its a 1st Party game. As for the marketing I don't know what you're talking about Jim, the Conduit was marketing all over the place. It had TV ads on all the time, on many different channels. I see more Conduit commercial than both UFC, or inFAMOUS!
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:28
Strandli
Considering most hardcore Wii owners have softmodded their Wii, the chance of pirating is relatively high on this one. That could be one factor leading to the poor numbers.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:30
Kyousuke Nanbu
As I've said before, all of Nintendo's mature titles have just been buckets of blood and cursing, not many people are gonna care about that especially when the gameplay is so boring as was the case with NMH and Mad World.

I haven't played Conduit but I saw numerous streams of it and it does seem rather bland, this is just another case of Wii fans hyping the shit out of a mediocre titles and then being shocked when it sells poorly.
Droll's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:35
Droll
This isn't in the least bit surprising to me. Beyond the games documented dubious quality, it's hard to imagine anyone looking at this game and thinking, "Wow! Finally! A first person shooter that actually works on my console!" That may have worked for Goldeneye back in 1997, but FPS games on the consoles in those days were nearly non-existent, mostly PC ports, and always garbage.
In 2009, however, developers have pretty much cracked the code on developing console FPS games. The Conduit, with it's boring level design, slow pacing, feature-less multiplayer and drab art design, doesn't aspire to be a good FPS. It wants to be an FPS "like on those other consoles". It's a game that tries to shoo-horn a genre on the Wii that A) doesn't really fit, and B) doesn't serve the console that well. When the Wii is at it's best, with games like Warioware:Smooth Moves, No More Heroes, and Super Mario Galaxy, the games are UNLIKE ANYTHING ON ANY OTHER PLATFORM. PERIOD. You can find plenty of FPS games, however, and trying to build the Wii into a second rate 360 or PS3 does a tremendous disservice to the Wii and it's playerbase.
The Wii doesn't need to try and emulate the other consoles. By offering it's own unique and bizarre gameplay experiences, it has become the most popular console on the planet.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:47
pascuz46
I personally wouldn't blame Sega if they ended up canceling all M rated games in development for Wii. Its a shame that these other wise good games are not selling but the demographic (for the most part) for the wii is much different than the people who come on this website.
gatorsax2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 13:59
gatorsax2010
Well, considering all the money they're not spending on marketing for these "mature" games, it's not like they're losing money. Vicious cycle. I was slightly intrigued by The Conduit, but FPS just isn't my favorite genre, with a few exceptions (Metroid Prime series, Bioshock, L4D, and a few others). The Conduit, as a game, just didn't grab my interest. The Conduit as an ideal did. But from what I've seen, I'm not sure how much it would sell on any console. I give them props for trying, and I'll probably at least give the game a rent (I do love Wii control for shooters). And I'm really looking forward to The Grinder. It's just a shame that a certain sect of gamers pinned all their hopes on this one game.
Rational Animal's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 14:05
Rational Animal
@Tubatic: I guess I hadn't thought much about the impact of the controls/gameplay mechanics on the overall experience...too preoccupied with graphics! I imagine it would be pretty cool to play it with the Wii Zapper or one of the third party light gun peripherals.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 14:14
Hiltz
First of all, why does Destructoid continue to use that old pre-alpha screen shot? Those drone enemy types aren't even featured in the final version of the game.

I actually like The Conduit despite being a run of the mill FPS that suffers from uninspiring level design, a lackluster story and some technical issues Thankfully, the enemy AI doesn't feel cheap and the controls makes dual analog feel archaic and sluggish in comparison at least in my opinion.Also, the customization options are a superb feature that all future FPS should really offer. Also, some of the weapons are really cool to use and the voice acting is surprisingly good.

Despite some of the glitches and occasional lag issues with the online multiplayer, it's actually quite fun even though it can't stand up to the other big FPS title out there. HVS has some things to be proud of with its first big original IP even though it ultimately didn't live up to the hype.

I think the Conduit deserves to sell well not so much because its the really the first full-fledged original and exclusive FPS on the platform, but because it gets enough things right to make it an enjoyable third-party game. In addition, I'd certainly like HVS offer a sequel in addition to releasing The Grinder.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2009 14:33
Holyetheline
That's a pretty crappy launch for them. I am too hardcore to waste my money on Wii games that aren't Metroid/SMG/New SMB/Zelda and other games worth owning the system for.
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